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Category:Journalists from Toronto

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) buidhe 05:33, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Journalists from Toronto to Category:Journalists from Ontario and Category:People from Toronto
 * Nominator's rationale: The Category:Journalists from Toronto is not enough to have one article to warrant a category as a small category. Some of the categories with occupation will be kept but the activists category category will be split to the regular People from Toronto category per WP:SMALLCAT. The Journalists from Toronto was on CFD around 2015 and resulted as "deleted". Steam5 (talk) 18:01, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep If you read the entirety of WP:SMALLCAT, you will note the portion which reads "...this criterion does not preclude all small categories..." and specifically excludes categories that are likely to grow. I created this category just minutes before it was nominated for deletion. Toronto, as a city with millions of residents and multiple internationally-read newspapers, has dozens if not hundreds of journalists identified with it through birth or work. I've added some to the category already but this nomination on its face is out of line. I should note that an editor (likely the one nomination this and the below articles for deletion but from a different IP) tried to empty the categories out of turn and then nominate them for speedy deletion as empty rather than engage in discussion.--User:Namiba 18:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Toronto seems quite big enough to have a load of journalists. Rathfelder (talk) 22:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I am withdraw nomination resulting as Speedy keep. Steam5 (talk) 02:03, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Activists from Toronto

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) buidhe 05:33, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Activists from Toronto to Category:Activists from Ontario and Category:People from Toronto
 * Nominator's rationale: The Category:Activists from Toronto is not enough to have two articles to warrant a category as a small category. Some of the categories with occupation will be kept but the activists category category will be split to the regular People from Toronto category per WP:SMALLCAT. Steam5 (talk) 17:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep as noted above, these categories are recent creations. As cities with millions of residents and long histories of activism, WP:SMALLCAT does not apply.--User:Namiba 18:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I am withdraw nomination resulting as Speedy keep. Steam5 (talk) 02:04, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Architects from Montreal

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:33, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose de-merging Category:Architects from Montreal to Category:People from Montreal
 * Nominator's rationale: The Category:Architects from Montreal is not enough to have one article to warrant a category as a small category. Some of the categories with occupation will be kept but the architects category will be split to the regular People from Montreal category per WP:SMALLCAT. Steam5 (talk) 17:51, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep as noted above, WP:SMALLCAT does not apply to categories that are likely to grow. There are dozens of articles on Wikipedia about architects identified with Montreal. I've added some to the category already but, clearly, this nomination should be withdrawn.--User:Namiba 18:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I am withdrawing the nomination resulting as Speedy keep. Steam5 (talk)


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Category:GNOME Theming
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 * The result of the discussion was: partial merge; I will omit only DeviantART, which makes zero mention of GNOME or GTK. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:18, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:GNOME Theming to Category:GNOME
 * Nominator's rationale: It's unclear what is "theming" supposed to be here and there's no parent article. Searching doesn't help either. Brandmeistertalk  17:48, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Selectively merge, then delete, not all articles are clearly about GNOME, e.g. Nuvola should be purged. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Military personnel from Montreal
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:33, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Military personnel from Montreal to Category:Canadian military personnel from Quebec and Category:People from Montreal
 * Nominator's rationale: The Category:Military personnel from Montreal is not enough to have one article to warrant a category. Some of the categories with occupation will be kept but the military personnel category will be split to the regular People from Montreal category per WP:SMALLCAT. Steam5 (talk) 17:52, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep per above. WP:SMALLCAT does not apply to articles that are likely to grow. Montreal, as one of the largest cities in North America and the second largest in Canada, has many articles about military personnel. This category was created just days ago.--User:Namiba 19:02, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I am withdrawing the nomination resulting as Speedy keep. Steam5 (talk) 02:03, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:People from Gorontalo
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 19:07, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Gorontalo to Category:People from Gorontalo (province)
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate from Category:People from Gorontalo (province). 112.215.152.222 (talk) 16:10, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Maine in the American Revolution
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:07, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Maine in the American Revolution to Category:District of Maine in the American Revolution
 * Nominator's rationale: As in the other category, the District of Maine more accurately describes the political status of the area than simply Maine. User:Namiba 15:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose This is part of Category:History of the American Revolution by state where the names of states are modern for accessibility. Brandmeistertalk  20:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support More accurate, and if sortkey for "Maine" is used, it won't be any less accessible. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:38, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * oppose 'State' in the sub-categories of Category:History of the American Revolution by state are based on the names and boundaries of current U.S. states, not names or boundaries at the time of the American Revolution. Hmains (talk) 01:50, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:People of Maine in the American Revolution
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep with the above. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:08, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People of Maine in the American Revolution to Category:People of the District of Maine in the American Revolution
 * Nominator's rationale: Maine was known as the District of Maine from 1778 to 1820. User:Namiba 14:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Combine with outcome from above, whether I agree with it or not. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * oppose for the same reason I stated above. Hmains (talk) 01:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional goats
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fiction about goats. MER-C 16:42, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional goats to Category:Goats in fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: Not all of the pages in this category are actually articles on fictional goats. In fact, most are not. But all are articles about goats in fiction (i.e. fictional works which prominently feature goats.) Either we're going to need to significantly cull this category or we're going to need to rename it to what it is actually being used for.
 * I am also nominating all related categories that are subcats of Category:Fictional vertebrates or Category:Fictional invertebrates as well as those top-level categories themselves and will work on putting together a list and tagging them if nobody else beats me to it. But there are hundreds so it will take a while. Might be easier for a bot to just put together a list of all Fictional X subcats within those two and tag them. Smartyllama (talk) 12:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Support Alt Rename in this Instance The nomination is correct and the rename will better reflects the actual contents. I don't favor the wholesale renaming of all the fictional animal cats though as a number are viable. (Conversely, a number of these cats need cleanup because of cartoons being added for minor characters.) RevelationDirect (talk) 21:42, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Create alternative category Category:Fiction about goats (similar to Category:Fiction about dolphins etc) (and make clear it's for fiction that is mostly about goats, not fiction that just mentions goats), then recategorize/purge the articles in the current category, then upmerge the existing category if it's very small. DexDor(talk) 05:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support alt rename to Category:Fiction about goats, similar to Category:Fiction about amnesia and others, in order to stress in the title that goats should be a main topic in the included fiction rather than an accidental mention. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:River-class patrol vessels of the Royal Thai Navy
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:River-class patrol vessels of the Royal Thai Navy to Category:Krabi-class patrol vessels of the Royal Thai Navy
 * Nominator's rationale: Sources refer to the class as "Krabi class". Paul_012 (talk) 10:51, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Neutral on Rename/Keep Parent HTMS Krabi was the first ship (which is how you normally name ship classes) but both articles link to the river-class patrol vessel article. We really need a Thai specific main article here to dictate the category name but absent that, either name seems reasonable as long as Category:River-class patrol vessels continues to be the parent category. RevelationDirect (talk) 11:32, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename - creator concurs - The Bushranger One ping only 06:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)


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WikiProject Vancouver
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 16:41, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Vancouver articles by importance to Category:WikiProject Vancouver articles by importance
 * Propose renaming Category:Vancouver articles by quality to Category:WikiProject Vancouver articles by quality
 * Propose creating Category:WikiProject Vancouver articles by location
 * Propose renaming Category:Vancouver articles to Category:Vancouver (city) articles
 * Nominator's rationale: This proposal only affects WikiProject categories for talk pages, and is a follow-up to Categories for discussion/Log/2020 March 14, which I just closed as "no consensus to merge". It is confusing that Category:Vancouver articles, a sub-cat for the smaller location of the city of Vancouver, has a name which matches those of the assessment categories for project which covers the wider area of Metro Vancouver.
 * The first two renames can be done without requiring any changes to templates. It is less common to include "WikiProject" in category names at this level, but there are some others like this, see (there are more than shown there, because some are sorted by the topic rather than the word "WikiProject", e.g.  is under "Wo" not "Wi").
 * The third line of this nomination would create an intermediate category to hold the sub-cats of Category:WikiProject Vancouver for specific cities, and.
 * The fourth line of the nomination would disambiguate, and would require a easy change to WikiProject Vancouver.
 * Note that I am not proposing to rename the specific assessment categories e.g. Category:B-Class Vancouver articles, because the effort would outweigh the benefit. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Support, reduces ambiguity. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Films directed by Sundaram Balachander
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:25, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Films directed by Sundaram Balachander to Category:Films directed by S. Balachander
 * Nominator's rationale: Match the parent article S. Balachander. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  04:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Revert article name. Let us first have an RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep -- the alleged main article is now a redirect. It states that Sundaram is a patronymic, which elsewhere we might treat as a surname.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:14, 19 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Calor Village of the Year
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 * The result of the discussion was: listify. MER-C 19:06, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Calor Village of the Year
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
 * Calor Gas sells propane canisters in the United Kingdom at caravan dealerships and hardware stores. Each year, four villages (one each for England, Scotland, Whales and NI) received the Calor Village of the Year award to recognize quality of life. Sutton-in-the-Isle, for instance, is first mentioned in the Domesday Book and doesn't seem defined by the award. I listified the contents here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:06, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Listify and delete as we usually do for WP:OCAWARD categories. In my county, Calor took over CPRE's best-kept village competition a decade ago.  No doubt this is about the national winner of a competition.  It thus falls clearly within an award category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Did your village ever win? RevelationDirect (talk) 17:50, 19 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Black metal demos
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 19:14, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Black metal demos to Category:Demo albums and Category:Black metal albums
 * Propose merging Category:Symphonic black metal demos to Category:Demo albums and Category:Symphonic black metal albums
 * Nominator's rationale: Suggest upmerging into parents. Most demo albums aren't notable and there are less than 330 articles in the demo albums category so it will take a while before genre diffusion is necessary for such albums. If diffusion is warranted per consensus, then Category:Heavy metal demo albums or even Category:Rock demo albums would be more appropriate under a "Demo albums by genre" scheme until there is a further need to diffuse. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 01:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * As the creator of these categories, I'm not invested here and will happily comply with consensus. May I ask why it matters to have more specific categories, even if very sparsely populated? I'm trying to find guidance here that addresses this. I was presuming that there are, or will be, more black metal demo articles. The sub-category of symphonic black metal demos, yeah, that might never get more populated.--<b style="color:navy">3family6</b> (<u style="color:black">Talk to me &#124; <small style="color:purple">See what I have done ) 01:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Category:Demo albums is currently down to 258 members, and sub-categorising it by genre does not seem necessary; taking this down to sub-genres such as black metal would result in a plethora of very sparsely populated categories, which would be of little value for navigation between related topics (and that's what categories are for). – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:19, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you!--<b style="color:navy">3family6</b> (<u style="color:black">Talk to me &#124; <small style="color:purple">See what I have done ) 14:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


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