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Category:Defunct Southern League (1885–1899) teams

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 20:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Defunct Southern League (1885–1899) teams to Category:Southern League (1885–1899) teams
 * Propose merging Category:Former Southern League (1885–1899) teams to Category:Southern League (1885–1899) teams
 * Nominator's rationale: Maintaining suck a difference between defunct and former teams for a league that folded more than a century ago isn't beneficial. (Especially as of now only two teams exist.) Armbrust The Homunculus 16:21, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Support If the league still exists, this distinction makes sense, but not in this case. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:46, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge -- The important thing is that they were members at the time, not whether they survive, which is presumably the basis of the second. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:10, 3 May 2020 (UTC)


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Organization of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union
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Drainage basins

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  18:12, 8 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Category:Dnieper River system to Category:Dnieper basin
 * Category:Narva River basin to Category:Narva basin
 * Category:Luga River Basin to Category:Luga basin
 * Category:Venta River basin to Category:Venta basin
 * Category:Vantaa River basin to Category:Vantaa basin
 * Category:Onega River basin to Category:Onega basin
 * Category:Kem River basin to Category:Kem basin
 * Category:Kovda River basin to Category:Kovda basin
 * Category:Kuloy River basin to Category:Kuloy basin
 * Category:Mezen River basin to Category:Mezen basin
 * Category:Näätämö River basin to Category:Näätämö basin
 * Nominator's rationale: I propose to rename these categories to the pattern "X basin", in line with most other categories for river drainage basins. Markussep Talk 12:13, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose - these should follow their respective articles. Narva is a city, not a river; the river is Narva River. Dnieper is the river, so that one is OK. Vantaa (river) is the river; Vantaa is a city. Oculi (talk) 13:14, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: the word "River" is sometimes used as disambiguation (which is clearer when it's in parentheses, like the Vantaa example), but it's not part of the name of the river, at least not in these cases. I don't think any confusion about the basin is possible in cases where a city and a river share the same name. Markussep Talk 18:21, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note - elsewhere 'drainage' was added, in 5 cfds on the same day starting with Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_February_4. Oculi (talk) 23:04, 30 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Support River should not be part of the title, but part of the links in the category definition. Dimadick (talk) 16:51, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, articles and categories should be renamed to "(river)" if "River" is not part of their proper name. But it should start with the article names. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:11, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * You're right, I just started a discussion for that at WT:RIVERS. Do you mean that if a river is ambiguous with e.g. a city or a surname and is therefore at "X (river)", the related categories should include "(river)" as well? Markussep Talk 19:05, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Oculi. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:42, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Oculi. If any of the articles are renamed at a RM discussion, the categories can be speedily renamed per WP:C2D. But as Oculi notes, the category names should follow their respective article titles ... so no rename with without an RM. -  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 21:37, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, good point, this discussion can be closed then. Depending on the outcome of the discussion at WT:RIVERS, I'll use WP:CFDS then. Is it OK if I list Category:Dnieper River system for speedy rename now, or do I have to wait until this discussion is closed? Markussep Talk 08:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I suppose it's alright to have Category:Dnieper River system on CFDS right now. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:37, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Dnieper appears to be a valid speedy. Category:Don basin which illustrates the perils of this approach would be a speedy in another direction. Oculi (talk) 18:46, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If it is decided to abandon the "X River" scheme for rivers in Russia, Don River is likely to be moved to either Don (Russia) or Don (Sea of Azov) (or Don (river) as primary river topic). I suppose the category shoud be moved accordingly then. Markussep Talk 06:54, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Films featuring hunters
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Category:Philadelphia Fever players

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename now the RM is sorted Timrollpickering (talk) 20:04, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Philadelphia Fever players to Category:Philadelphia Fever (MISL) players
 * Nominator's rationale: To better distinguish from Category:Philadelphia Fever (WPSL) players Fuddle (talk) 01:31, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Related RM Nomination I opened a requested move on the the main article to go from Philadelphia Fever to Philadelphia Fever (MISL). Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome right here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:17, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Defer To whatever the main article ends up being called, whether I agree with the RM outcome or not. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:17, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 17:03, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Match article name once RM has been decided. Polite reminder to to sort out the article location issue before trying to move the related category... GiantSnowman 17:09, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * . Fuddle (talk) 17:35, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Dungeons & Dragons creatures

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 20:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Dungeons & Dragons creatures to Category:Dungeons & Dragons monsters
 * Nominator's rationale: Per the article Monsters in Dungeons & Dragons as well as List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters, in both they are referred to as "monsters" rather than creatures, making the current title inaccurate. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 01:22, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Support in the spirit of WP:C2D. Please also nominate the subcategory for the same reason. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support to bring in line with the title of the lead article. oknazevad (talk) 14:29, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support This should limit the scope as well. Dimadick (talk) 16:52, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:British Cycling Hall of Fame inductees

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 15:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:British Cycling Hall of Fame inductees
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
 * The British Cycling Hall of Fame was founded in 2009 and has wall plaques in the Manchester Velodrome (see here). The vast majority of these articles mention the award in passing with others, maybe a fourth don't mention it at all and 3 mention it in the lede so it doesn't seem defining. (In contrast, the Tour de France and Olympics are universally in the intro, if applicable.) We already have the winners listified here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:26, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * *RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD


 * Background We deleted similar American cycling halls of fame categories here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:26, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This  a very long way from WP:DEFINING. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 21:33, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * DElete -- OCAWARD. They get the award because they are notable, not vice versa.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:13, 3 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:DeMolay International Hall of Fame members

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 15:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:DeMolay International Hall of Fame members
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD and WP:OCASSOC)
 * DeMolay International is a Masonic youth organization for boys/men aged 12-21. This award is given to men who, decades later, become politicians, astronauts, celebrities or are otherwise prominent. The success of people like Paul Harvey, John Steinbeck and Bill Clinton seems to have little direct connection to this group or Free Masons generally though. The contents of the category are already listified here for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:26, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * *RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:11, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This  a very long way from   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 21:33, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete -- I note that there is a list, but I doubt that the list is worth having. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)


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