Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 April 5



Category:Electronic cigarette aerosol carcinogens

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting electronic cigarette aerosol carcinogens


 * Nominator's rationale: Despite its name, the category does not contain carcinogenic substances in their own right, possibly except Heated tobacco product, and is thus misleading. Brandmeistertalk  17:55, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete No objection to concept but doesn't reflect current contents. RevelationDirect (talk) 16:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:People executed by arrows

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people executed by arrows


 * Nominator's rationale: Not sure what this is supposed to be exactly, executed with a bow and arrow? EchetusXe 17:15, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete -- The death of the one person listed sounds more like an assassination than an execution. The article does not in fact mention how he died.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:03, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:American short story writers of Lebanese descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american short story writers of lebanese descent


 * Nominator's rationale: Small, non-notable triple intersection. Both articles is already in appropriate subcategories. TM 14:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - per nom. Oculi (talk) 23:30, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 18:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:American short story writers of Syrian descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:03, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american short story writers of syrian descent


 * Nominator's rationale: Small, non-notable triple intersection. Only article is already in appropriate subcategories. TM 14:39, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - per nom. Oculi (talk) 23:31, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 18:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:American autobiographers of Syrian descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:05, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american autobiographers of syrian descent


 * Nominator's rationale: This is a small and non-notable triple intersection by nationality, gender, and profession. I nominated it for deletion rather than merger because the subject is already in the appropriate sub-categories. TM 14:28, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - per nom. Oculi (talk) 10:44, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 18:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:American autobiographers of Jordanian descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american autobiographers of jordanian descent


 * Nominator's rationale: This is a small and non-notable triple intersection by nationality, gender, and profession. I nominated it for deletion rather than merger because the subject is already in the appropriate sub-categories. TM 14:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - per nom. Oculi (talk) 23:31, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 18:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Indian women biographers

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge. The other categories suggested will have to be nominated separately; I think individual discussion needs to take place for those specific ones, at least.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:53, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Indian women biographers to Category:Indian biographers, Category:Women biographers
 * Propose merging Category:Indian women autobiographers to Category:Indian autobiographers, Category:Women autobiographers
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. This is a non-notable triple intersection by nationality, gender, and profession. TM 14:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Dual upmerge - per nom. Oculi (talk) 23:32, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom. May I also suggest the following categories? Category:Women writers of Indian descent, Category:American women writers of Indian descent, Category:American women novelists of Indian descent. Place Clichy (talk) 18:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Place Clichy, I would be happy to support those if you nominated them.--User:Namiba 13:16, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Question, shouldn't it be a triple upmerge, also to Category:Indian women non-fiction writers? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: At the moment the nominated categories seem to be working to diffuse that one. Should most of its sub-cats be added to the nomination for upmerging as non-notable triple intersections? The Indian hierarchy does have more genre-specific subcats than any other nationality-based parts of Category:Women non-fiction writers. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think they should be added. TM 13:27, 24 April 2020 (UTC)


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 * Post-closure notes: the merge to Indian biographers should have been done manually, since all but one of the merged pages were already in a diffusing sub-cat by century. I have also merged the members of both categories to Indian women non-fiction writers. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:43, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Category:North-American Interfraternity Conference

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename both. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:North-American Interfraternity Conference to Category:North American Interfraternity Conference
 * Propose renaming Category:Former members of North-American Interfraternity Conference to Category:Former members of the North American Interfraternity Conference
 * Nominator's rationale: Organization name change in 2018, matching change in name for article. Naraht (talk) 14:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Note Combined these two nominations. North American Interfraternity Conference is the main article which was boldly moved by the nominator outside of an RM and most of the contents have already been moved. Thank you for bringing this nomination here for consensus; in the future please hold off on moving contents prior to CFD. RevelationDirect (talk) 15:42, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Both The organizations's official web site consistently does not use a hyphen. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:46, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note Change occured in mid 2018.Naraht (talk) 16:16, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support both, i.e. delete the obsolete hyphenated versions in favor of the non-hyphenated ones, to reflect current convention. your out-of-process move has needlessly delayed this rename. The more appropriate process would have been to rename the article, noting the orthography change in edit comments or on Talk, and then to request speedy under C2D. -- choster (talk) 18:38, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Will keep that in mind. I considered it minor and I had more or less completed the move myself using AWB to move mentions of the organization, the category and the template when the category moves were bulk reverted. (I wonder if marking old and new cats with Underconstruction would have stopped the bulk reversion. After *that*, the only clean way to move it was here.Naraht (talk) 12:36, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * FYI, the bulk reversion was meant to force you here to avoid out of process moves and under construction wouldn't have helped. Doing an WP:RM on the main article followed by a WP:C2D on the categories would have been optimal but that's water under the bridge. Live and learn! RevelationDirect (talk) 01:04, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Category:Former members of North-American Interfraternity Conference per WP:NONDEF. Many articles do not even mention it at all. Besides, we also do not have a category for current members, presumably that has been deleted earlier. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:36, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The category for current members is (currently) North-American Interfraternity Conference. Each of the Greek Umbrella organizatons uses a category equal to the name of the group. for example Category:National Pan-Hellenic Council, whether or not all of those should be changed to [[Category:Members of ... is, to me, a completely completely different discussion.
 * Ok, fair enough, but it still is not a defining characteristic of former members. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:47, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought that Category:Former components of the Dow Jones Industrial Average would be similiar.Naraht (talk) 01:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Wars named after non-human animals

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:26, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wars named after non-human animals


 * Nominator's rationale: We don't normally categorize things by characteristics of their name (or one of several names) - some example CFD discussions. This category also has other problems (some of the articles aren't about actual wars, some aren't actually named after animals...). Note: I have listified the category. DexDor(talk) 13:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * All right, if such a category goes against established practice but such a list doesn't, I'm fine with deleting the category and keeping the list (thanks for creating it btw). It could be argued that this element of the name's origin is just too insignificant to merit a category, at least that's what I'm getting from previous discussions. It does seem to me the list should be subcategorised from Category:Things named after animals to Category:Lists of things named after animals. Greetings, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:50, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy Per WP:C2E, author's request above. Thank you for taking the constructive feedback: creating what should be a list article as a category is very common mistake. RevelationDirect (talk) 15:25, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Classic WP:SHAREDNAME; I've also PRODded the list per WP:LISTN. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 16:58, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The list has been de-prodded by another editor. DexDor(talk) 10:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)


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People from Sheffield
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Note: five have already been speedily deleted under WP:G7. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:21, 24 April 2020 (UTC)


 * people from brightside, sheffield
 * Category:People from Broomhill and Sharrow Vale
 * Category:People from Burngreave
 * Category:People from Darnall
 * Category:People from Dore
 * Category:People from Ecclesall
 * Category:People from Ecclesfield
 * Category:People from Fulwood, Sheffield
 * Category:People from Graves Park (ward)
 * Category:People from Handsworth, South Yorkshire
 * Category:People from Heeley
 * Category:People from Hillsborough, Sheffield
 * Category:People from Longley
 * Category:People from Meadowhead
 * Category:People from Pitsmoor
 * Category:People from Ranmoor
 * Category:People from Sharrow Vale
 * Category:People from Wadsley
 * Category:People from Whirlow
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge all into Category:People from Sheffield. Someone from Sheffield will usually have lived or gone to school in many sub-areas; being born or having lived in a particular area is not defining; 'from Sheffield' is enough. Several of these are recreations of categories merged at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_June_28. Meadowhead has no article, Longley is a dab page, most have 1 or 2 articles. Oculi (talk) 09:30, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Rare are the instances of when a neighbourhood is a defining characteristic.--TM 17:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose The present city of Sheffield formerly consisted of a number of distinct townships (including Brightside and Ecclesall), some of which were not in the parish of Sheffield (including Ecclesfield). Some of the categories certainly need merging, but this should not be done wholesale.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ecclesall has been in Sheffield since 1891, according to Demography of Sheffield. I have no objection to Category:People from Ecclesall (pre 1891) for people who were not merely born there. Oculi (talk) 10:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose The editors of the relevant articles thought the places defining. There is a well established pattern of subcategories for cities.  Neighbourhoods in cities are just as defining as villages in rural areas.  However the Sheffield biographies seem to mention neighbourhoods much less than is usual in other cities.  Agree some should be merged, which I will do.    Rathfelder (talk) 20:49, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Being born somewhere is not defining. Most of these are categorised by their place of birth. I myself have lived in 6 of these areas in Sheffield; I am not 'from' any of them. (I was born in Cambridge; I am certainly not from Cambridge as we left when I was 1.) Oculi (talk) 10:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree. I have taken out of these categories a lot of people who left these places as children.  Rathfelder (talk) 15:43, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - seems to be standard practice with large cities, especially those which have been expanded through merger of former separate areas. Grutness... wha?   02:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have not included such areas: Mosborough, Beighton, Stocksbridge. Oculi (talk) 10:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Almost all the places you have listed were not part of Sheffield until after the Industrial Revolution at the earliest, and less than 100 years ago in one or two cases. Grutness... wha?   15:21, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * If I understand correctly, most of these places became part of Sheffield in 1843. Then let's move all articles of people born since to the Sheffield category. This will empty most of these categories, I guess. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:25, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The same could be said of many cities. Cities expand and engulf the surrounding villages. But I cant see why we would treat Sheffield differently to all the other cities and their component districts.  Rathfelder (talk) 22:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I do not disagree with that. The solution that I proposed should apply to all cities. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:17, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * If you really want to remove all the categories for people from suburbs of cities across the world that needs a much wider discussion. Rathfelder (talk) 09:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Sheffield is probably large enough that it makes sense to at least have some suburbs with people from categories for example Category:People from Ecclesfield has 25 articles and is currently a CP. The problem indeed might be that there aren't enough people to merit a category for some or boundaries are hard to define. There are some boundaries listed here but note that since 1974 the former CB has been unparished so only ward boundaries exist and they tend not to be stable for long.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:07, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Commercial spaceflight
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus to merge (nor, for that matter, to reverse the hierarchy).– Fayenatic  L ondon 11:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Commercial spaceflight to Category:Private spaceflight
 * Nominator's rationale: The commercial spaceflight and private spaceflight are same thing. Soumyabrata stay at home wash your hands to protect from coronavirus 09:15, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Not each private spaceflight is commercial (for sale). The different wikidata items also. 94.178.234.44 (talk) 19:20, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Two comments, first, Commercial spaceflight redirects to Private spaceflight, if there is a difference it would be helpful to create two separate articles. Second, if there is a difference, I would rather expect Category:Commercial spaceflight to be the parent category of Category:Private spaceflight instead of vice versa (vice versa is the current hierarchy). Marcocapelle (talk) 08:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:SpaceX suborbital prototype rockets
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:SpaceX suborbital prototype rockets to Category:SpaceX prototype vehicles
 * Nominator's rationale: Proposing a scope change to include all prototype vehicles of SpaceX rather than the suborbital prototype rockets of SpaceX. Soumyabrata stay at home wash your hands to protect from coronavirus 09:08, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Support, rescope it. 94.178.234.44 (talk) 19:21, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Years of the 21st century in Dubai
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete per expanded nom (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Years of the 21st century in Dubai to Category:Years in Dubai
 * Nominator's rationale: Pointless intermediary category. It currently contains only one article, but even if it has the full set it would still serve no purpose.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. It contains one sub-cat,, whose sibling categories were deleted per consensus at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_August_10. I would support a nomination to merge that one to all parents. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:49, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Additionally there is a lot to be said for merging the entire centuries tree, the only early content being Persian Gulf Residency, which will relate to the whole region, being British India's diplomatic mission there. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:23, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * does it make sense to incorporate merging/deletion of Category:Years in Dubai and Category:2016 in Dubai in this nomination? Marcocapelle (talk) 09:10, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does make sense. We don't seem to have enough content to justify Dubai subcats to the UAE chronology cats. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:18, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:57, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Relisting comment the nomination has been expanded per below. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:2016 in Dubai to Category:2010s in Dubai and Category:2016 in the United Arab Emirates
 * Propose deleting Category:Years of the 21st century in Dubai
 * Propose deleting Category:Years in Dubai


 * Support that Peterkingiron (talk) 18:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Steamboats built at Dockton, Washington
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:05, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Dual Upmerging Category:Steamboats built at Dockton, Washington to Category:Steamboats of Washington (state) and Category:Ships built in Washington (state)
 * Propose Dual Upmerging Category:Steamboats built in Tacoma, Washington to Category:Steamboats of Washington (state) and Category:Ships built in Tacoma, Washington
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCLOCATION
 * There are no other city of construction subcategories under Category:Steamboats which would still be fine if these two locations were known for specifically building steamships. Neither one was though: Dockton had one significant shipbuilder who built a variety of types of ships and Tacoma was a major shipbuilding center where, again, a variety of ship types were built. This doesn't seem like a viable category tree to start because steamboat construction was very decentralized and we have articles on steamboats built in dozens of cities/towns just in Washington state alone. The Dockton, Washington article already listifies the first category and the second category will remain categorized under Tacoma. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:18, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


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