Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 April 8



Category:Disproved conjectures

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  21:59, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Disproved conjectures to Category:Disproven conjectures
 * Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy request, possible WP:ENGVAR situation. Should it be "disproved" or "disproven"? –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 23:08, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Category:Disproved conjectures to Category:Disproven conjectures – C2a. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 04:41, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. "disproven" is "often proscribed" according to wikt:disprove (not prescribed!). "Disproven" can also be ambiguous, see wikt:disproven. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:49, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The other definition for disproven, a Scottish legal term, is archaic. –Laundry<b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 08:38, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, I checked a few articles in this category and "disproved" is slightly more often used in there than "disproven". Is it perhaps a matter of WP:ENGVAR? Marcocapelle (talk) 10:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Support . Verb vs adjective. The conjectures were disproved by someone and are now disproven. Grutness... wha?   03:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm - looking closer it does seem to be an example of WP:ENGVAR - UK English dictionaries list "disproved" as an "irregular alternative to disproven" or similar, and US dictionaries rarely mention "disproven" other than in its Scottish legal sense. In which case changing to oppose. Grutness... wha?   04:41, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * pinging other contributor to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Opppose per Wiktionary, see Speedy discussion above. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:00, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose not sure wiktionary is a reliable source, but "disproved" is easily understood, so why change it? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:People of the Polish–Teutonic War (1519–1521) (German side)
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:05, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People of the Polish–Teutonic War (1519–1521) (German side) to Category:People of the Polish–Teutonic War (1519–1521)
 * Nominator's rationale: Seems a bit redundant for only one item. Gonnym (talk) 19:54, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Kinda useless. KingSkyLord (talk &#124; contribs) 20:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: deletion would leave Category:German people by war missing a war. Even though it is a small category, it still has a function for navigation. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:02, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That is not a big problem in this case because it is not a 'German war' anyway, it only concerns a single German principality. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:07, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:27, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:People by city or town in County Dublin
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into Category:People by city or town in the Republic of Ireland
 * The result of the discussion was: speedy keep after withdrawal Marcocapelle (talk) 10:22, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merger people by city or town in county dublin
 * Nominator's rationale: Superfluous intermediate category. County Dublin was abolished in 1994.  These places are all categorised properly in the 3 new counties. Rathfelder (talk) 19:48, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Dublin County Council was abolished as a local govt entity, but County Dublin still exists for many other administrative purposes and is widely used as an informal geographical area -- which it does very well, having defined boundaries which have been stable for over 400 years.
 * Note that the parent Category:County Dublin exists, and has almost 100 eponymous subcats. There is no reason to rip out one part of this established series. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:56, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Correction: I just checked, and Category:County Dublin actually has 122 subcats which include the words "County Dublin".
 * It's a pity that @Rathfelder didn't take a minute to study the category structure before making this nomination. Even a few seconds to navigate to Category:County Dublin should have been enough.  --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

So please regard this as a guide to you to revise your approach to editing before this escalates towards a community ban. You have been warned often enough over the years, so the case for a ban would be strong. As to your comment If I am the only person who doesnt like this category I will withdraw this nomination ... deep sigh. You are the only editors supporting deletion. And you still don't seem to get the simple fact that this category is part of an established category tree. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:46, 10 April 2020 (UTC) I am sighing, because once again I am having to repeat to you a basic point about categorisation and another about the nature of the topic, both of which I made earlier in the same discussion, and both of which which every other participant in this discussion has grasped. You wrote earlier about how there are some things which you dont think it helps the spirit of collaboration ... but there are few things more corrosive to that spirit of collaboration than the WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT conduct which you are displaying here. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 01:57, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per BrownHairedGirl. KingSkyLord (talk &#124; contribs) 20:09, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per BHG. There's a novelty! Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:22, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per BHG. Rathfelder has been urged time after time that upmerges should be to all parents. For one so active at cfd and in creating (hundreds per month, often tiny ones) and populating categories, Rathfelder's inability to understand basic category structure is disconcerting. Having exhibited a thorough lack of knowledge of Sheffield and Leeds, Rathfelder is now inflicting his ignorance on ROI, where outsiders fear to tread. I would suggest a re-arrangement of the Sydney subcats for the next foray. Oculi (talk) 08:48, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * All these categories are already in the relevant parent categories, or will be when I'm finished. If I am the only person who doesnt like this category I will withdraw this nomination and ensure it includes all the relevant subcategories.  I dont think it helps the spirit of collaboration for people to make personal attacks.  I may be ignorant and misguided, but pointing out my defects does not help anyone. Rathfelder (talk) 10:55, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * @Rathfelder, 's comments about your lack of understanding of basic category structure are indeed helpful, because they are a further reminder to you that you are editing prolifically outside your zone of competence. If you are interested in the spirit of collaboration, then please heed these warnings.
 * We dont normally make such subcategories for local government areas which have been abolished. Rathfelder (talk) 19:45, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Sigh. If that is your argument, @Rathfelder, then you should nominate for deletion or upmerger Category:County Dublin and all its 122 subcats named "foo in/from County Dublin". I would strongly oppose that, because as I noted 2½ days ago in the first response to this nomination County Dublin still exists for many other administrative purposes and is widely used as an informal geographical area -- which it does very well, having defined boundaries which have been stable for over 400 years. ... but at least that would be a consistent approach.
 * Withdraw.Rathfelder (talk) 09:42, 11 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Burntisland Shipyard Amateur F.C. players
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:10, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Burntisland Shipyard Amateur F.C. players to Category:Burntisland Shipyard F.C. players
 * Nominator's rationale: For consistency with the article on the club, Burntisland Shipyard F.C.. Jellyman (talk) 15:15, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. KingSkyLord (talk &#124; contribs) 18:06, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 20:10, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Support to match parent article name. GiantSnowman 20:11, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy Per WP:C2D. The main article has had that name since it was created in 2005. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:55, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete -- This club is far too far down the Scottish football hierarchy for a players category to be acceptable. If kept, rename per nom.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:55, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * There are literally hundreds of similar categories relating to clubs at the same level as Burntisland, or outside the pyramid completely (e.g. junior football) – so this particular discussion wouldn't be the appropriate place to start a conversation about deletion. Jellyman (talk) 12:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Association football players who received a testmonial
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:48, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting association football players who received a testmonial
 * Propose deleting association football players who received a testimonial


 * Nominator's rationale: Less than realistic misspelling, coming from an error when someone made a mistake before moving it to the real category. KingSkyLord (talk &#124; contribs) 14:44, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't understand why you all also want to delete the other category as well. We know full well that several footballers like Wayne Rooney or Vincent Kompany for example, have received testimonial matches before, and just deleting the entire category because some articles were miscategorized seems very extreme. Testimonial matches are usually mentioned near the end of someone's club or international career, not the beginning. This is a nomination for the soft redirect, not its target. KingSkyLord (talk &#124; contribs) 15:16, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Second comment Actually now that I think about it, the main category is kinda pointless and the testimonial matches can be categorized as association football matches. In other words: I want to delete both categories now, not only the soft redirect. KingSkyLord (talk &#124; contribs) 22:01, 16 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete both as non-defining. I've just checked a dozen of them at random in the "real category", non of them mention this in the lead, and some of them don't mention it anywhere in the article.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 14:52, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete both per Lugnuts. I have tagged the other category as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:48, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 20:09, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete both as above, absolutely non defining. This is a fairly common occurrence, and a minor once, hence why it's not mentioned in articles. GiantSnowman 20:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Check all other subcategories in Category:Testimonial matches. 94.178.234.44 (talk) 13:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this notification. The other categories have been nominated in this follow-up discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:38, 11 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment -- Not sure that this is defining enough to need a category: do not many players get a testimonial shortly before retiring? Peterkingiron (talk) 16:57, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Both Clicking through these articles, doesn't seem remotely defining. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:31, 13 April 2020 (UTC)


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Eurovision Song Contest entrants of country
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2020 April 19%23Eurovision Song Contest entrants of country

Category:Deaths due to air raids
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths due to air raids to Category:Deaths by airstrike
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate with different term. Cavrdg (talk) 10:37, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom; these terms are being used with identical meanings. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:21, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:19, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Certainly merge. There may be an ENGVAR issue.  Air strike implies a targeted attack; air raid something more indiscriminate.  I would prefer to see the WWII subcat as "air raid ".  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:04, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Television shows shot in Bihar
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 * The result of the discussion was: WP:IAR procedure. The general consensus was that the categories are in and of themselves valid because they exist in a series, Category:Television series by country of shooting location. However, in the course of discussion, Category:Television shows shot in Bihar was depopulated and will be eligible for deletion under WP:C1 shortly. Category:Television shows shot in Cambodia will be renamed to Category:Television shows filmed in Cambodia in keeping with the naming conventions in the series.  bibliomaniac  1  5  22:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting television shows shot in bihar
 * Propose deleting television shows shot in cambodia


 * Nominator's rationale: There is no established category tree for television shows shot in a particular location, and these categories have just one and two pages, respectively. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 03:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * There is Category:Television_series_by_country_of_shooting_location—Prisencolin (talk) 04:33, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Par of an established series under Category:Television series by country of shooting location, to which these should be added. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per BrownHairedGirl's reasoning. Dimadick (talk) 08:55, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Based on the comments of Prisencolin and BrownHairedGirl, the nom's rationale seems invalid. Pratyush (talk) 21:53, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. If kept, shouldn't "shot" be changed to "filmed" for consistency with the rest of the series? Wikiacc (¶) 22:18, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Another comment. Bihar isn't a country. Wikiacc (¶) 22:24, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have removed the one article from the Bihar category, it only mentions location of setting, not location of shooting. The article is already in Category:Television shows set in Bihar. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete  and rename  to . Wikiacc (¶) 15:08, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment And Category:Television shows shot in Bihar has been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 16:35, 18 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Rivers named after discoverer's ship
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Rivers named after discoverer's ship
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SHAREDNAME
 * This one is pretty self-explanatory. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:22, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete -- a trivial association. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:05, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional American people of Assyrian descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 07:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Fictional Assyrian people
 * Propose Deleting Category:Fictional American people of Assyrian descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Per the spirit of WP:C1, an unpopulated category
 * This tree only has one article, Yossarian, who is a character in two of Joseph Heller's novels, Catch-22 and its sequel Closing Time. The main article has a relevant passage for this nomination:
 * Catch-22 introduces Yossarian as an American soldier in World War II with Assyrian heritage, although Closing Time clarifies this to be a joke and that his heritage and surname are in fact Armenian.
 * An alternate approach here would be for me to just empty the category but I wanted to make sure we had consensus since the character seems Assyrian in the first book. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:49, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. This example also raises the question whether we should categorize fictional characters by descent at all. A character's descent is a so minor characteristic that authors can easily change their mind about it without changing the character as a whole. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:09, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Marcocapelle sums it up nicely. Previous bulk nominations have closed as no consensus, but as noted at the one at the most recent nom there have been no nominations covering the entire tree. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:49, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. Judging by the passage quoted above, he wasn't Assyrian anyway, and I doubt we need a . Grutness... wha?   04:43, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Assyrian and Armenian are effectively Christian denominations within the former Ottoman Empire. Is the distinction a substantial one?  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:08, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


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