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Category:Welsh-language television shows

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus Timrollpickering (talk) 12:30, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Welsh-language television shows to Category:Welsh-language television programmes
 * Nominator's rationale: The category was recently renamed as part of a blanket move which did not consider the requirements of individual countries and languages. The equivalent term in the Welsh language is "rhaglen" (programme) whereas "sioe" (show) is reserved for live entertainment. Deb (talk) 07:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

And per my reply below to Deb, the decision at WP:CFD/2020 May 6 was clearly to apply MOS:COMMONALITY, and to adopt a term common to all variants of English. I accept that you may not have been aware of that, because Deb's WP:FORUMSHOPPING tactics extended even to a failure to link to the previous CFD ... but please, will you review your !vote? It's very bad practice to immediately try to overturn a consensus decision. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 15:56, 5 July 2020 (UTC) This nomination is a blatantly, disruptive, policy-defying exercise in forumshopping ... and their post below of 16:41, 5 July nominator Deb has explicitly asserted WP:OWNership of this category. I find it very sad that some editors seem willing to indulge Deb's determination to trample all over multiple aspects of policy, rather than calling on her conduct herself in accordance with WP:ADMINCOND by following policies. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:38, 6 July 2020 (UTC) Therefore Deb's assertion in the nomination that the May CFD was a blanket move which did not consider the requirements of individual countries and languages is a blatant falsehood: the discusion considered that view, and rejected it. The falsehood of that statement will have been clearly known by Deb to be a blatant falsehood. Deb is an admin, and should follow a higher standard of conduct than asserting untruths in pursuit of blatant WP:FORUMSHOPPING.
 * Support Good catch Deb! Category:S4C television shows looks as if it could receive the same treatment.† Encyclopædius  11:00, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:C2C: consistency with Category:Television shows, Category:British television shows, Category:Welsh television shows, everything in Category:Television shows by language, not to mention a cfd and a move review, all of whose closers discounted arguments such as this one. Oculi (talk) 11:11, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It is also worth mentioning that the intro to Category:Welsh-language television shows reads "Television shows originally written and performed in the Welsh language" and has done for many years. Oculi (talk) 12:57, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per local usage, which usually overrides C2C. The British category contains a mix of "show" and "programme" categories, and "programme" makes more sense there, too. Grutness... wha?   12:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * @Grutness, there were lots of categories, so the renaming process is not complete. The mix is being resolved.
 * That's true, of course - though the term programme is generally more inclusive. The term show is used, but implies a live variety programme (and that seems to be the only use of the term in Welsh). I have a feeling I may be partly to blame for this, having argued for "show" in the first lace. I have since realised I was wrong in doing that. :/ Perhaps, given the recent change-over, the British ones should also change to show (though the Welsh one, for the reason mentioned, may be a problem) - but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a move to change them back at some point in the future. Grutness... wha?   18:06, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * @Grutness, if there is a move to change them back, it should be proposed as a properly-notified group nomination of all relevant categories, which explicitly links the previous discussion and notes the relevant policies such as MOS:COMMONALITY and the WP:COMMONNAME requirement to derive page titles from independent, reliable English-language sources ... not from the Welsh language. It should also notify all particpants in the previous CFD.
 * I had no idea about any of that - and you're right that if this an attempt at WP:OWN then I do indeed frown upon it. But that doesn't change the fact that English, as spoken in Wales, is heavily influenced by Welsh, and it appears that the word "show" is not used in the context it is used in this category title within Wales - something which I've no doubt that no-one who dealt with the previous CfD discussions was aware of. Unfortunately, since the term television show is used, but in a different context, using ghits to determine usage becomes impossible and irrelevant. Given the recency of the change, however, this should not have been brought there, but should have taken it to some form of arbitration. Grutness... wha?   04:39, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * @Grutness, what do you mean by term television show is used, but in a different context? What other context is there? --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:57, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * As explained, it refers to live shows, variety shows and the like, but not to drama, comedy, or news/crrent affairs programming. Grutness... wha?   18:00, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * @Grutness, you have and other have asserted that. But nobody has produced a single shred of evidence that English-language reliable sources writing about Welsh-language TV apply such a distinction, let alone demonstrated a consistent pattern. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:55, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose, for three reasons:
 * to maintain consistency per MOS:COMMONALITY, as agreed at WP:CFD/2020 May 6. The whole point of that decision was to avoid WP:ENGVAR variations, and use a common term.
 * This is the English-language Wikipedia. The en.wp policy is therefore use the terminology used in: . The Welsh-language terminology is irrelevant to the naming of this category.
 * because Deb's objections were discussed at length at WP:CFD/2020 May 6. Deb offered no non-cherrypicked evidence in support of her view, but I produced plenty of evidence that "show" is commonly used in Wales.
 * The May CFD was subject to a move review, which closed yesterday. The resulting category renamings are happening today. Deb made this nominaton at 08:15, only 6 hours after the category was renamed per conssensus. by the bot at 02:15.
 * This immediate re-nomination is blatant WP:FORUMSHOPPING. I ask Deb to promptly withdraw it, or I'll take this to ANI. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 15:37, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Policy is very clear that we follow usage in English-language sources ... but Deb is basing her argument on use in another language. The consensus at the May RFC was to follow MOS:COMMONALITY ... but Deb is blatantly ignoring that by insisting on a variation. The policy on WP:FORUMSHOPPING is very clear, but Deb has chosen to reopen this issue only hours after the closure of a review of the CFD where DEb's argument for variations was heard and rejected. Deb is also engaging in explicit WP:OWNership I re-nominated immediately - what would you expect me to do about a category that I was mainly responsible for populating. Deb also chose to misrepresent the close of the May CFD, cherrypicking phrases which suit Deb's purpose ... but ignoring the closes's explicit statement no such nominations be made (other than to pick up any potential omissions from this nomination) for two months from today.. "Today" was 28th May, which is less than 2 months ago; and this category was not omitted. Deb accuses me failing to AGF, but ignores WP:DGF. For example, if Deb was demonstrating good faith they would have noted in their nomination that their proposal beaches policy, and they would have linked to the previous discussion ... they wouldn't display WP:OWNwership. On the contrary, Deb's conduct here repeatedly demonstrates bad faith, and repeatedly ignores multiple points of explicit policy ... so no, I don't sustain the assumption of good faith in the face of such clear evidence of bad faith. Deb is overtly flouting three policies (WP:FORUMSHOPPING, WP:COMMONNAME, WP:OWN), and is cherrypicking a close in order to misrepresent it; sneakily omitted in their nomination to even link to the previous discussion; failed to notify the participants in the previous CFD (which is another aspect of forum shopping). This is sort of disruption which we usually see from an angry newbie, but Deb has been an admin for 17 years, and has no excuse. So I ask Deb again to withdraw this nomination ... or this will have to be escalated. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:17, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe you've forgotten that the move discussion was closed "for now" and "with no prejudice against future discussion" and that the closer, User:bibliomaniac15, commented that "there are some deeper issues involving WP:ENGVAR at play that I do not think that CFD is the right venue to handle". He also urged "BHG to not give in to the need to comment on every single oppose with an inflammatory tone", which you're already doing. You've also accused me of lying and, in the light of that, I would suggest you re-read Assume good faith. Of course I re-nominated immediately - what would you expect me to do about a category that I was mainly responsible for populating and that was uncontroversially moved to the proposed title less than three years ago? Deb (talk) 16:41, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sigh, here we go again. Let's not have endless back and forths again, please, and let's keep our shirts on. I really think that the better place to have this discussion between show/series/program/programme is in an RFC, because we have different usages all over Wikipedia between articlespace, categories, and projectspace. This was the case even before the big May CFD, which was one of many discussions on this topic. It would be best if we could talk about this in an overall, project-wide sense regarding usage in all spaces and see what the community thinks. If consensus is to stick to one usage all over the project, great. If consensus is to allow flexibility in considering regional variants or different projectspaces, great. Can we try to move this to a venue where we can come to a more conclusive decision about what to do?  bibliomaniac 1  5  19:39, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The problem with that is that the arguments in favour of moving individual categories will never be heard or will be considered unimportant in the "grand" scheme of things. Deb (talk) 20:19, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The problem here is simply than we have an admin Deb who is engaging in blatant disruption.
 * Oppose per Oculi. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:07, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support -- No Welshman or woman would choose American spelling rather than English, when most are in practice bilingual with British English as the other language. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:11, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe 'show' is spelt the same everywhere. (But I do recall it being spelt 'shew' as a verb in geometry in the 1960s.) Oculi (talk) 19:42, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ... and by British Railways. Thincat (talk) 09:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

And the policy (not guideline, but policy) at WP:COMMONNAME is clear that titles are based on usage in. The Welsh-language terminology is irrelevant to the naming of this category, and the May CFD contains clear evidence that "show" is used in Wales slightky more than he combined usage for "program"+"programme". Here's copy-paste of that evidence:
 * Support There is no such thing as a Welsh language Television "show", things on TV (and radio) in Welsh are "Rhaglen" (programme), show (sioe in Welsh) would either be a live performance or a show of animals. I'm not even convinced that "show" should be used in reference to TV, radio or traditional drama for anything on UK TV, the term is an Americanism, as alien as Color, Labor, etc, this side of the pond AlwynapHuw (talk) 03:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The acceptability of "show" in all major variants of English was demonstrated by extensive, detailed evidence presented at WP:CFD/2020 May 6. That CFD closed as rename to show.
 * I tested usage in English-language sources in Wales, using two newspapers: Western Mail as the only national newspaper in Wales, and the Daily Post as the biggest-circulation regional newspaper.


 * Both sources show a narrow majority for "show" over "program"+"programme": "show" gets 51.7% of all the hits on the Western Mail, and 52.1% of all hits on the Daily Post.
 * -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:26, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * As I previously pointed out, you didn't use the Western Mail - you used WalesOnline. Deb (talk) 10:57, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * @Deb, see https://www.walesonline.co.uk/about-us/ -- it uses articles from the Western Mail and the South Wales Echo. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I presume that you no longer defy policy by basing your case on use in the Welsh language, tho it's sad to see that you have not struck that part of the nomination. So do you have any non-cherrypicked evidence to demonstrate that writers about TV in Wales use difft terminology when writing about Welsh-language TV, and "television show" is not acceptable in English-language coverage of Welsh-language TV? -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Your cherry-picked statistics don't take any account of context. Deb (talk) 19:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * @Deb, if you have some evidence of how usage changes with context, then please present it.
 * Your allegation that I have engaged in "cherrypicking" is unsupported by any explanation of how I am alleged to have cherrypicked. I picked the major news sources in Wales, and if you have a better suggestion for how to search, let's hear it. But your unsupported allegation is just muckslinging, more the same shoddy conduct you have displayed throughout this discussion. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:43, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Why not just look at the articles on Welsh-language TV programmes and see how many of them use the word "programme" and how many use the word "show" to describe a non-entertainment programme? Deb (talk) 07:33, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Because WP:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 02:48, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sure that I saw a news item a while back that said that Wikipedia had decided not to use tabloid news papers as a reliable source. Your statistics are also incorrect. Many of the "tv show" references don't come from articles, but from click bait adverts generated by the articles, many of which come from US sources. In British English a broadcast on TV or radio is, and always has been, a "programme". To say "The Welsh-language terminology is irrelevant" with regard to Welsh language programmes is insensitive, hurtful, extremely bigoted and ridiculous. AlwynapHuw (talk) 03:25, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * @AlwynapHuw, the Welsh-langauge terminology is highly-relevant when writing in Welsh. But this is the English-language Wikipedia, so policy at WP:AT is to use English-language reliable sources.
 * You assertion that In British English a broadcast on TV or radio is, and always has been, a "programme" is demonstrably false. Masses of evidence was presented at WP:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_6 that "show" is very widely used.   I guess you may not have seen that evidence, but you should check the evidence before asserting "facts" which are provably false. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:51, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose per the recently closed CFD. It is certainly asinine to see this nomination opened so quick on the heels of that discussion, and without taking into consideration the discussion then (even though the nominator was the one who dragged that discussion to move review). --Izno (talk) 21:12, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - local usage overrides C2C; facts should always overide 'cosistency'. And from what I see, above, there's only one user pushing the 'oppose' side. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 07:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * While it is correct that local usage overrides C2C, "show" is also used locally, as discussed before. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:40, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Oppose. Not a fan of the word "show" and would have preferred something else, but starting to dismantle the consistency piece by piece is a horrible idea that I firmly oppose. --Gonnym (talk) 09:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Mdaniels5757 (talk &bull;&#32;contribs) 15:34, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support (but do not reparent) -- This (perhaps surprisingly) is partly an ENGVAR. Welsh might be expected to follow British English, where the usual term is "programme".  Local usage should always prevail over imposing an (American) consistency.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:02, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Peterkingiron has already made these remarks, in the above thread. Oculi (talk) 10:34, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Television series and network original programming

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 11:21, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Propose renaming:
 * Category:&TV television series to Category:&TV original programming
 * Category:10 Bold shows to Category:10 Bold original programming


 * Category:10 Peach shows to Category:10 Peach original programming
 * Category:111 (Australian TV channel) shows to Category:111 (Australian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:5 (TV channel) shows to Category:TV5 (Philippine TV channel) original programming
 * Category:7flix shows to Category:7flix original programming
 * Category:7HD shows to Category:7HD original programming
 * Category:7mate shows to Category:7mate original programming
 * Category:7TWO shows to Category:7TWO original programming
 * Category:8TV (Malaysia) shows to Category:8TV (Malaysian TV network) original programming
 * Category:9Go! shows to Category:9Go! original programming
 * Category:9X television series to Category:9X (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:A&E Australia shows to Category:A&E (Australian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:A-Channel (Craig Media) network shows to Category:A-Channel original programming
 * Category:A-Plus Entertainment television series to Category:A-Plus TV original programming
 * Category:ABP News Shows to Category:ABP News original programming
 * Category:ABS-CBN News Channel shows to Category:ABS-CBN News Channel original programming
 * Category:ABS-CBN shows to Category:ABS-CBN original programming
 * Category:ABS-CBN Sports and Action shows to Category:ABS-CBN Sports and Action original programming
 * Category:AksyonTV shows to Category:AksyonTV original programming
 * Category:Al Jazeera English shows to Category:Al Jazeera English original programming
 * Category:Alpha TV shows to Category:Alpha TV original programming
 * Category:ALT TV shows to Category:ALT TV original programming
 * Category:Alter Channel shows to Category:Alter Channel original programming
 * Category:América Televisión shows to Category:América Televisión original programming
 * Category:América TV television shows to Category:América TV original programming
 * Category:Andina de Televisión shows to Category:ATV (Peruvian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Anhui Television shows to Category:Anhui Television original programming
 * Category:Animax shows to Category:Animax original programming
 * Category:ANT1 shows to Category:ANT1 original programming
 * Category:Antena 1 network shows to Category:Antena 1 (Romania) original programming
 * Category:Antena 3 (Spanish TV channel) network shows to Category:Antena 3 (Spanish TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Antv shows to Category:ANTV original programming
 * Category:APTN network shows to Category:Aboriginal Peoples Television Network original programming
 * Category:Arena shows to Category:Arena (TV network) original programming
 * Category:ARY Digital television series to Category:ARY Digital original programming
 * Category:ARY Zindagi series to Category:ARY Zindagi original programming
 * Category:Asahi Broadcasting Corporation shows to Category:Asahi Broadcasting Corporation original programming
 * Category:Asia Television television shows to Category:Asia Television original programming
 * Category:Asianet television series to Category:Asianet (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Astro Ceria shows to Category:Astro Ceria original programming
 * Category:Astro Prima shows to Category:Astro Prima original programming
 * Category:Astro Ria shows to Category:Astro Ria original programming
 * Category:Astro Warna shows to Category:Astro Warna original programming
 * Category:AT-X shows to Category:AT-X (TV network) original programming
 * Category:ATV (Turkey) series to Category:ATV (Turkey) original programming
 * Category:Australian Broadcasting Corporation shows to Category:Australian Broadcasting Corporation original programming
 * Category:Azteca 7 shows to Category:Azteca 7 original programming
 * Category:Azteca Uno shows to Category:Azteca Uno original programming
 * Category:Beijing Television shows to Category:Beijing Television original programming
 * Category:BIG Magic television series to Category:BIG Magic original programming
 * Category:Bindass television series to Category:Bindass original programming
 * Category:Blim original programming to Category:Blim TV original programming
 * Category:Bravo (Canada) television shows to Category:Bravo (Canadian TV network) original programming
 * Category:Bravo (UK) television shows to Category:Bravo (British TV channel) original programming
 * Category:C4 (TV channel) shows to Category:C4 (New Zealand TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Canal 13 (Chilean TV channel) shows to Category:Canal 13 (Chilean TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Canal 5 (Mexico) shows to Category:Canal 5 (Mexico) original programming
 * Category:Canal 9 (Argentina) television shows to Category:El Nueve original programming
 * Category:Caracol Televisión shows to Category:Caracol Televisión original programming
 * Category:CBC News Network shows to Category:CBC News Network original programming
 * Category:CBC Television shows to Category:CBC Television original programming
 * Category:Cero shows to Category:Cero (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Channel 3 (Thailand) television shows to Category:Channel 3 (Thailand) original programming
 * Category:Channel 4 television shows to Category:Channel 4 original programming
 * Category:Channel 5 (British TV channel) television shows to Category:Channel 5 (British TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Channel 5 (Singapore) shows to Category:Channel 5 (Singapore) original programming
 * Category:Channel 5 (Thailand) television shows to Category:Channel 5 (Thailand) original programming
 * Category:Channel 7 (Thailand) television shows to Category:Channel 7 (Thailand) original programming
 * Category:Channel 8 (Singapore) shows to Category:Channel 8 (Singapore) original programming
 * Category:Channel 9 MCOT HD television shows to Category:MCOT HD original programming
 * Category:Channel A television shows to Category:Channel A (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Channel One (UK TV channel) television shows to Category:Channel One (British and Irish TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Channel U (Singapore) shows to Category:Channel U (Singapore) original programming
 * Category:Channel V Australia shows to Category:Channel V Australia original programming
 * Category:Channel V India television series to Category:Channel V India original programming
 * Category:Chilevisión shows to Category:Chilevisión original programming
 * Category:China Central Television shows to Category:China Central Television original programming
 * Category:China Television shows to Category:China Television original programming
 * Category:Chinese Television System shows to Category:Chinese Television System original programming
 * Category:Choice TV shows to Category:Choice TV original programming
 * Category:Christian Broadcasting Network shows to Category:Christian Broadcasting Network original programming
 * Category:Chung T'ien Television shows to Category:Chung T'ien Television original programming
 * Category:Cineflix shows to Category:Cineflix original programming
 * Category:Citytv shows to Category:Citytv original programming
 * Category:CNA (news channel) shows to Category:CNA (TV network) original programming
 * Category:CNN Headline News shows to Category:CNN Headline News original programming
 * Category:CNN Philippines shows to Category:CNN Philippines original programming
 * Category:CNN Sports Illustrated shows to Category:CNN/SI original programming
 * Category:Colors (TV channel) series to Category:Colors (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Colors Infinity television series to Category:Colors Infinity original programming
 * Category:Colors Rishtey television series to Category:Colors Rishtey original programming
 * Category:Comedy Central (UK and Ireland) shows to Category:Comedy Central (British TV channel) original programming
 * Category:CTV 2 network shows to Category:CTV 2 original programming
 * Category:CTV Television Network shows to Category:CTV Television Network original programming
 * Category:Cue TV shows to Category:Cue TV original programming
 * Category:Das Erste television series to Category:Das Erste original programming
 * Category:Dave (TV channel) television shows to Category:Dave (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:DD Metro television series to Category:DD Metro original programming
 * Category:DD National television series to Category:DD National original programming
 * Category:DD Punjabi Television series to Category:DD Punjabi original programming
 * Category:Discovery health channel shows to Category:Discovery Health Channel original programming
 * Category:Discovery Jeet television series to Category:Discovery Jeet original programming
 * Category:Discovery Kids India television series to Category:Discovery Kids (Indian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Discovery Times shows to Category:Discovery Times original programming
 * Category:Disney Channel (Latin America) shows to Category:Disney Channel (Latin American TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Disney Channel India shows to Category:Disney Channel (Indian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Disney Channel UK and Ireland shows to Category:Disney Channel (British and Irish TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Disney Channels Worldwide shows to Category:Disney Channels Worldwide original programming
 * Category:Disney Junior shows to Category:Disney Junior original programming
 * Category:Disney XD India shows to Category:Disney XD (Indian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Doordarshan television series to Category:Doordarshan original programming
 * Category:DR TV shows to Category:DR TV original programming
 * Category:Dragon Television shows to Category:Dragon Television original programming
 * Category:Dubai One to Category:Dubai One original programming
 * Category:Dunya TV series to Category:Dunya News original programming
 * Category:E.tv shows to Category:E.tv original programming
 * Category:E4 series to Category:E4 (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Eastern Television shows to Category:Eastern Television original programming
 * Category:El Trece television shows to Category:El Trece original programming
 * Category:Epic channel television series to Category:Epic TV original programming
 * Category:ESPNEWS network shows to Category:ESPNews original programming
 * Category:ETC (TV channel) shows to Category:ETC (Philippine TV network) original programming
 * Category:Family Channel shows to Category:Family Channel (Canadian TV network) original programming
 * Category:Filmy television series to Category:Filmy original programming
 * Category:Food Network (Canadian TV channel) series to Category:Food Network (Canadian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Formosa Television shows to Category:Formosa Television original programming
 * Category:Four (New Zealand) shows to Category:Four (New Zealand TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Fox Footy shows to Category:Fox Footy original programming
 * Category:Fox Sports (Australian TV network) shows to Category:Fox Sports (Australian TV network) original programming
 * Category:Fox8 shows to Category:Fox8 original programming
 * Category:France Télévisions shows to Category:France Télévisions original programming
 * Category:Fuji TV shows to Category:Fuji TV original programming
 * Category:Gala Television shows to Category:Gala Television original programming
 * Category:Geo TV series to Category:Geo TV original programming
 * Category:Global Television Network shows to Category:Global Television Network original programming
 * Category:Globovisión shows to Category:Globovisión original programming
 * Category:GMA Network shows to Category:GMA Network original programming
 * Category:GMA News TV shows to Category:GMA News TV original programming
 * Category:GMM 25 television shows to Category:GMM 25 original programming
 * Category:Gold (TV channel) television shows to Category:Gold (British TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Great Belize Television shows to Category:Great Belize Television original programming
 * Category:GTV (Indonesia) shows to Category:GTV (Indonesia) original programming
 * Category:Guangdong Television shows to Category:Guangdong Television original programming
 * Category:Hellenic Broadcasting Corporation shows to Category:Hellenic Broadcasting Corporation original programming
 * Category:History Television shows to Category:History Television original programming
 * Category:Hong Kong Television Network television shows to Category:Hong Kong Television Network original programming
 * Category:HTV television shows to Category:Ho Chi Minh City Television original programming
 * Category:Hum TV series to Category:Hum TV original programming
 * Category:Hunan Broadcasting System shows to Category:Hunan Broadcasting System original programming
 * Category:Hunan Television shows to Category:Hunan Television original programming
 * Category:Hungama TV television series to Category:Hungama TV original programming
 * Category:Ici Radio-Canada Télé network shows to Category:Ici Radio-Canada Télé original programming
 * Category:Imagen Televisión shows to Category:Imagen Televisión original programming
 * Category:Imagine TV television series to Category:Imagine TV original programming
 * Category:Imparja Television shows to Category:Imparja Television original programming
 * Category:Indosiar shows to Category:Indosiar original programming
 * Category:Intercontinental Broadcasting Corporation shows to Category:Intercontinental Broadcasting Corporation original programming
 * Category:ITV television shows to Category:ITV (TV network) original programming
 * Category:Jiangsu Television shows to Category:Jiangsu Television original programming
 * Category:JTBC television shows to Category:JTBC original programming
 * Category:Juice TV shows to Category:Juice (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Kanal 5 (Sweden) television shows to Category:Kanal 5 (Swedish TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Korean Broadcasting System television shows to Category:Korean Broadcasting System original programming
 * Category:Krem Television original series to Category:Krem Television original programming
 * Category:KykNET shows to Category:KykNET original programming
 * Category:L'ORTF network shows to Category:Office de Radiodiffusion Télévision Française original programming
 * Category:La Red shows to Category:La Red (Chilean TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Las Estrellas shows to Category:Las Estrellas original programming
 * Category:LaSexta shows to Category:LaSexta original programming
 * Category:Latina Televisión shows to Category:Latina Televisión original programming
 * Category:Life OK television series to Category:Life OK original programming
 * Category:LifeStyle shows to Category:Lifestyle (Australian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Loaded TV television shows to Category:Loaded TV original programming
 * Category:Māori Television shows to Category:Māori Television original programming
 * Category:Maeil Broadcasting Network television shows to Category:Maeil Broadcasting Network original programming
 * Category:Mainichi Broadcasting System shows to Category:Mainichi Broadcasting System original programming
 * Category:MAX shows to Category:Max (Australian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:MBC (Mauritius) television series to Category:Mauritius Broadcasting Corporation original programming
 * Category:Mega (Chilean TV channel) shows to Category:Mega (Chilean TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Mega Channel shows to Category:Mega Channel original programming
 * Category:Metro Gold television series to Category:Metro Gold original programming
 * Category:MetroTV shows to Category:Metro TV (Indonesia) original programming
 * Category:MNCTV shows to Category:MNCTV original programming
 * Category:Mnet (TV channel) television shows to Category:Mnet (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:MONO29 television shows to Category:Mono 29 original programming
 * Category:Movie Central network shows to Category:Movie Central original programming
 * Category:Movie Network shows to Category:Movie Extra original programming
 * Category:Movistar+ network shows to Category:Movistar+ original programming
 * Category:MTV India television series to Category:MTV (Indian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Much (TV channel) television series to Category:Much (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:MuchMoreMusic television series to Category:MuchMoreMusic original programming
 * Category:Munhwa Broadcasting Corporation television shows to Category:Munhwa Broadcasting Corporation original programming
 * Category:N-tv television series to Category:N-tv original programming
 * Category:NBT television shows to Category:National Broadcasting Services of Thailand original programming
 * Category:NERIT shows to Category:New Hellenic Radio, Internet and Television original programming
 * Category:NET (Indonesian TV channel) shows to Category:NET (Indonesian TV network) original programming
 * Category:Net 25 shows to Category:Net 25 original programming
 * Category:Network 10 shows to Category:Network 10 original programming
 * Category:NHK shows to Category:NHK original programming
 * Category:Nickelodeon Australia shows to Category:Nickelodeon (Australia and New Zealand) original programming
 * Category:Nickelodeon India television series to Category:Nickelodeon (Indian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Nine Network shows to Category:Nine Network original programming
 * Category:Nippon TV shows to Category:Nippon TV original programming
 * Category:NITV shows to Category:National Indigenous Television original programming
 * Category:Nova S television shows to Category:Nova S original programming
 * Category:NRK television shows to Category:NRK original programming
 * Category:NTV7 shows to Category:NTV7 original programming
 * Category:Nueve (Mexican TV network) shows to Category:Nueve (Mexican TV network) original programming
 * Category:OLN shows to Category:OLN original programming
 * Category:Omni Television shows to Category:Omni Television original programming
 * Category:One News (Philippines) shows to Category:One News (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:One PH shows to Category:One PH original programming
 * Category:One31 television shows to Category:One 31 original programming
 * Category:OnStyle television shows to Category:OnStyle original programming
 * Category:Open TV shows to Category:Open TV original programming
 * Category:Orion Cinema Network television shows to Category:Orion Cinema Network original programming
 * Category:OUTtv network shows to Category:OutTV (Canadian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Pakistan Television Corporation shows to Category:Pakistan Television Corporation original programming
 * Category:Panamericana Televisión shows to Category:Panamericana Televisión original programming
 * Category:People's Television Network shows to Category:People's Television Network original programming
 * Category:Phoenix Television Shows to Category:Phoenix Television original programming
 * Category:Pink TV television shows to Category:RTV Pink original programming
 * Category:Play UK television shows to Category:Play UK original programming
 * Category:Pogo television series to Category:Pogo (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Polsat shows to Category:Polsat original programming
 * Category:PPTV television shows to Category:PPTV original programming
 * Category:Prime (New Zealand) shows to Category:Prime (New Zealand TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Prime7 shows to Category:Prime7 original programming
 * Category:Pro TV network shows to Category:Pro TV original programming
 * Category:ProSieben television series to Category:ProSieben original programming
 * Category:PTC Punjabi television series to Category:PTC Punjabi original programming
 * Category:Public Television Service shows to Category:Public Television Service original programming
 * Category:Q (TV network) shows to Category:Q (TV network) original programming
 * Category:Quest (TV channel) television shows to Category:Quest (British TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Rádio e Televisão de Portugal shows to Category:Rádio e Televisão de Portugal original programming
 * Category:Radio Philippines Network shows to Category:Radio Philippines Network original programming
 * Category:Radio Television of Serbia television shows to Category:Radio Television of Serbia original programming
 * Category:Radio Televisyen Malaysia shows to Category:Radio Televisyen Malaysia original programming
 * Category:RCN Televisión shows to Category:RCN Televisión original programming
 * Category:RCTI shows to Category:RCTI original programming
 * Category:RCTV shows to Category:RCTV original programming
 * Category:Real TV television series to Category:Real (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:RecordTV shows to Category:RecordTV original programming
 * Category:Rede Bandeirantes shows to Category:Rede Bandeirantes original programming
 * Category:Rede Globo shows to Category:Rede Globo original programming
 * Category:RedeTV! shows to Category:RedeTV! original programming
 * Category:RTÉ television shows to Category:RTÉ original programming
 * Category:RTHK television shows to Category:RTHK original programming
 * Category:RTL II television series to Category:RTL II original programming
 * Category:RTL Television series to Category:RTL Television original programming
 * Category:S4C television shows to Category:S4C original programming
 * Category:SAB TV television series to Category:SAB TV original programming
 * Category:SABC 1 shows to Category:SABC 1 original programming
 * Category:SABC 2 shows to Category:SABC 2 original programming
 * Category:SABC 3 shows to Category:SABC 3 original programming
 * Category:Sahara One television series to Category:Sahara One original programming
 * Category:Sanlih E-Television shows to Category:Sanlih E-Television original programming
 * Category:Sat.1 television series to Category:Sat.1 original programming
 * Category:SCTV (Indonesia) shows to Category:SCTV (TV network) original programming
 * Category:Seoul Broadcasting System television shows to Category:Seoul Broadcasting System original programming
 * Category:Seven Network shows to Category:Seven Network original programming
 * Category:Shandong Television shows to Category:Shandong Television original programming
 * Category:Shenchuan Television shows to Category:Shenchuan Television original programming
 * Category:Shenzhen Television shows to Category:Shenzhen Television original programming
 * Category:Showcase Australia shows to Category:Showcase (Australian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Showcase network shows to Category:Showcase (Canadian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Sistema Brasileiro de Televisão shows to Category:Sistema Brasileiro de Televisão original programming
 * Category:Skai TV shows to Category:Skai TV original programming
 * Category:Sky Atlantic television shows to Category:Sky Atlantic original programming
 * Category:Sky Living television shows to Category:Sky Living original programming
 * Category:Sky television shows to Category:Sky UK original programming
 * Category:Slice network shows to Category:Slice (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Smithsonian Channel series to Category:Smithsonian Channel original programming
 * Category:Sociedade Independente de Comunicação shows to Category:Sociedade Independente de Comunicação original programming
 * Category:SoHo (Australian TV channel) shows to Category:SoHo (Australian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Sohu web series to Category:Sohu original programming
 * Category:Sony Entertainment Television series to Category:Sony Entertainment Television original programming
 * Category:Sony Pal Television series to Category:Sony Pal original programming
 * Category:Sony Yay television series to Category:Sony Yay original programming
 * Category:Southern Cross Television shows to Category:Southern Cross Television original programming
 * Category:Southern Cross Ten shows to Category:Southern Cross Ten original programming
 * Category:Space (TV channel) network shows to Category:Space (Canadian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Special Broadcasting Service shows to Category:Special Broadcasting Service original programming
 * Category:Star Bharat television series to Category:Star Bharat original programming
 * Category:Star Channel shows to Category:Star Channel (Greek TV channel) original programming
 * Category:STAR Chinese Channel television shows to Category:Star Chinese Channel original programming
 * Category:Star Jalsha television series to Category:Star Jalsha original programming
 * Category:STAR One television series to Category:Star One (Indian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Star Plus television series to Category:Star Plus original programming
 * Category:Star Utsav to Category:Star Utsav original programming
 * Category:Studio 23 shows to Category:Studio 23 original programming
 * Category:Super Channel shows to Category:Super Channel (Canadian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Sveriges Television shows to Category:Sveriges Television original programming
 * Category:Swarnavahini television series to Category:Swarnavahini original programming
 * Category:Télé-Québec network shows to Category:Télé-Québec original programming
 * Category:Taiwan Television shows to Category:Taiwan Television original programming
 * Category:Telecanal shows to Category:Telecanal original programming
 * Category:Telecinco network shows to Category:Telecinco original programming
 * Category:Telefe television series to Category:Telefe original programming
 * Category:Telefe television shows to Category:Telefe original programming
 * Category:TeleHit shows to Category:TeleHit original programming
 * Category:Teletoon original series to Category:Teletoon original programming
 * Category:Televen shows to Category:Televen original programming
 * Category:Televisão Independente shows to Category:Televisão Independente original programming
 * Category:Televisa television series to Category:Televisa original programming
 * Category:Televisión Nacional de Chile shows to Category:Televisión Nacional de Chile original programming
 * Category:Televisión Pública Argentina television shows to Category:Televisión Pública Argentina original programming
 * Category:Television programmes on Channel 1 (Israel) to Category:Channel 1 (Israel) original programming
 * Category:Television programmes on Channel 10 (Israel) to Category:Channel 10 (Israeli TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Television programmes on Channel 2 (Israel) to Category:Channel 2 (Israeli TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Television programmes on Kan 11 to Category:Kan 11 original programming
 * Category:Television programmes on Yes (Israel) to Category:Yes (Israel) original programming
 * Category:Telewizja Polska shows to Category:Telewizja Polska original programming
 * Category:Tencent web series to Category:Tencent original programming
 * Category:TFO shows to Category:TFO original programming
 * Category:TG4 television shows to Category:TG4 original programming
 * Category:The Comedy Channel shows to Category:The Comedy Channel original programming
 * Category:The Comedy Network shows to Category:The Comedy Network original programming
 * Category:The Filipino Channel shows to Category:The Filipino Channel original programming
 * Category:The Sports Network shows to Category:The Sports Network original programming
 * Category:Three (New Zealand) shows to Category:Three (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Tianjin Television shows to Category:Tianjin Television original programming
 * Category:TNT (Russian TV channel) shows to Category:TNT (Russian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:TNT Serie television series to Category:TNT Serie original programming
 * Category:Tokyo Broadcasting System shows to Category:Tokyo Broadcasting System original programming
 * Category:Tokyo MX shows to Category:Tokyo MX original programming
 * Category:Trans TV shows to Category:Trans TV original programming
 * Category:Trans7 shows to Category:Trans7 original programming
 * Category:Travel and Living Channel shows to Category:Travel and Living Channel original programming
 * Category:Treehouse TV shows to Category:Treehouse TV original programming
 * Category:TRT (Turkey) series to Category:Turkish Radio and Television Corporation original programming
 * Category:TV 2 (Norway) shows to Category:TV 2 (Norway) original programming
 * Category:TV Asahi shows to Category:TV Asahi original programming
 * Category:TV Asia television series to Category:TV Asia original programming
 * Category:TV Chosun television shows to Category:TV Chosun original programming
 * Category:TV Excelsior shows to Category:TV Excelsior original programming
 * Category:TV Nova (Czech Republic) shows to Category:TV Nova (Czech TV channel) original programming
 * Category:TV Puls shows to Category:TV Puls shows
 * Category:TV Tokyo shows to Category:TV Tokyo original programming
 * Category:TV-am shows to Category:TV-am original programming
 * Category:TV1 (Australia) shows to Category:TV1 (Australian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:TV3 (Malaysia) shows to Category:TV3 (Malaysia) original programming
 * Category:TV3 (Norway) shows to Category:TV3 (Norway) original programming
 * Category:TV3 (Sweden) television shows to Category:TV3 (Sweden) original programming
 * Category:TV4 (Poland) shows to Category:TV4 (Polish TV channel) original programming
 * Category:TV4 (Sweden) television shows to Category:TV4 (Sweden) original programming
 * Category:TV9 (Malaysia) shows to Category:TV9 (Malaysia) original programming
 * Category:TVA (Canadian TV network) shows to Category:TVA (Canadian TV network) original programming
 * Category:TVB television shows to Category:TVB original programming
 * Category:TVBS shows to Category:TVBS original programming
 * Category:TVes shows to Category:TVes original programming
 * Category:TVN (Polish TV channel) shows to Category:TVN (Polish TV channel) original programming
 * Category:TVN (South Korea) television shows to Category:TVN (South Korean TV channel) original programming
 * Category:TVN24 shows to Category:TVN24 original programming
 * Category:TVNorge shows to Category:TVNorge original programming
 * Category:TVNZ 1 shows to Category:TVNZ 1 original programming
 * Category:TVNZ 2 shows to Category:TVNZ 2 original programming
 * Category:TVNZ 7 shows to Category:TVNZ 7 original programming
 * Category:TVNZ programmes to Category:TVNZ original programming
 * Category:TVOntario shows to Category:TVOntario original programming
 * Category:TVRI shows to Category:TVRI original programming
 * Category:TyC Sports television series to Category:TyC Sports original programming
 * Category:U (TV channel) shows to Category:U (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:UKTV television shows to Category:UKTV original programming
 * Category:Urdu 1 series to Category:Urdu 1 original programming
 * Category:V (TV network) shows to Category:V (TV network) original programming
 * Category:Venevisión shows to Category:Venevisión original programming
 * Category:Venezolana de Televisión shows to Category:Venezolana de Televisión original programming
 * Category:Viceland television series to Category:Viceland original programming
 * Category:Virgin Media Television (Ireland) shows to Category:Virgin Media Television (Ireland) original programming
 * Category:ViuTV television shows to Category:ViuTV original programming
 * Category:ViuTVsix television shows to Category:ViuTVsix original programming
 * Category:VOX television series to Category:VOX (German TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Vrak network shows to Category:Vrak original programming
 * Category:VTV television shows to Category:Vietnam Television original programming
 * Category:WIN Television shows to Category:WIN Television original programming
 * Category:Workpoint TV shows to Category:Workpoint TV original programming
 * Category:Wowow shows to Category:Wowow original programming
 * Category:XtvN television shows to Category:XtvN original programming
 * Category:Yes TV shows to Category:Yes TV original programming
 * Category:Yomiuri Telecasting Corporation shows to Category:Yomiuri Telecasting Corporation original programming
 * Category:Youku web series to Category:Youku original programming
 * Category:ZDF television series to Category:ZDF original programming
 * Category:ZDFneo television series to Category:ZDFneo original programming
 * Category:Zee Next television series to Category:Zee Next original programming
 * Category:Zee Punjabi television series to Category:Zee Punjabi original programming
 * Category:Zee Tamil television series to Category:Zee Tamil original programming
 * Category:Zee TV television series to Category:Zee TV original programming
 * Category:Zhejiang Television shows to Category:Zhejiang Television original programming
 * Category:Zindagi television series to Category:Zindagi (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Zoom (Indian TV channel) series to Category:Zoom (Indian TV channel) original programming


 * Nominator's rationale: The current naming of sub-categories in Category:Television series by network is very inconsistent, using 10 different styles (that I've noticed; see below). I've chosen to propose the usage be "original programming" for a few reasons:
 * To be WP:CONSISTENT with the result of Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 22 and is also the style used by Category:Original programming by streaming service subcategories.
 * Usage of "original" makes the category clear what type of members it should have as per MOS:TVCATS: TV series should avoid network categories when they were not originally produced for that network, meaning that all members of the categories should be only original programming and not re-runs, syndication, etc.
 * Using "programming" also solves another issue of clarity as categories that use "series" also have "TV programs" added to them.


 * &lt;network&gt; shows - example: Category:Christian Broadcasting Network shows
 * &lt;network&gt; network shows - example: Category:Vrak network shows
 * &lt;network&gt; television shows- example: Category:El Trece television shows
 * &lt;network&gt; original shows - example: Category:History (TV channel) original shows
 * &lt;network&gt; series - example: Category:E4 series
 * &lt;network&gt; television series - example: Category:Hungama TV television series
 * &lt;network&gt; original series - example: Category:Krem Television original series
 * &lt;network&gt; web series - example: Category:Youku web series
 * Television programmes on &lt;network&gt; - example: Category:Television programmes on Channel 1 (Israel)


 * The only other additional change in the categories above is fixing disambiguation where it didn't match the article per WP:C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:26, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * User:BrownHairedGirl is assisting with tagging the categories, which should happen soon. --Gonnym (talk) 11:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Tagging. I have tagged all the categories, in these 392 edits. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:14, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Discussion of Television series and network original programming

 * please add comments and !votes here


 * Support. This is a helpful standardisation of terminology, grouping the various types of content under the single title "original programming". Thanks to Gonnym for doing the hard work of making the nomination. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, 'original programming' is a clearer descriptor of the content of these categories than 'shows'. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. This is a long-overdue standardization which works nicely for all forms of English. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)\
 * Support. It looks much cleaner with 'original programming' than 'shows'. However, for Category:5 (TV channel) shows, please consider renaming to Category:TV5 (Philippine TV channel) original programming as 5 has reverted back to TV5, in lineup for new entertainment programs. David Isaac C. M. (talk) 02:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Mayors of populated places

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus; this close is without prejudice to a future nomination of one or more of the nominated categories. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:46, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging:
 * Category:Mayors of IJsselstein to Category:People from IJsselstein‎ and Category:Mayors in Utrecht (province)
 * Category:Mayors of Incheon to Category:People from Incheon‎ and Category:Mayors of places in South Korea
 * Category:Mayors of Innsbruck to Category:Politicians from Innsbruck‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Austria
 * Category:Mayors of Jabalpur to Category:People from Jabalpur‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Madhya Pradesh‎
 * Category:Mayors of Jining to Category:Politicians from Jining‎ and Category:Mayors of places in China


 * Category:Mayors of Kampen, Overijssel to Category:People from Kampen, Overijssel‎ and Category:Mayors in Overijssel
 * Category:Mayors of Karviná to Category:People from Karviná‎ and Category:Mayors of places in the Czech Republic
 * Category:Mayors of Kawagoe, Saitama to Category:Kawagoe, Saitama‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Saitama Prefecture‎
 * Category:Mayors of Khojaly to Category:Khojaly‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Azerbaijan
 * Category:Mayors of Kiryat Ata to Category:People from Kiryat Ata‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Israel
 * Category:Mayors of Koper to Category:People from Koper‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Slovenia
 * Category:Mayors of Lages to Category:People from Lages‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Brazil
 * Category:Mayors of Landgraaf to Category:People from Landgraaf‎ and Category:Mayors in Limburg (Netherlands)
 * Category:Mayors of Landsmeer to Category:People from Landsmeer‎ and Category:Mayors in North Holland
 * Category:Mayors of Lansingerland to Category:People from Lansingerland‎ and Category:Mayors in South Holland
 * Category:Mayors of Las Anod to Category:People from Las Anod‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Somaliland
 * Category:Mayors of Las Cruces, New Mexico to Category:Politicians from Las Cruces, New Mexico‎ and Category:Mayors of places in New Mexico
 * Category:Mayors of Lelystad to Category:People from Lelystad‎ and Category:Mayors in Flevoland
 * Category:Mayors of Lewisburg, West Virginia to Category:People from Lewisburg, West Virginia‎ and Category:Mayors of places in West Virginia
 * Category:Mayors of Limoux to Category:People from Limoux‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Occitanie
 * Category:Mayors of Littlehampton to Category:People from Littlehampton‎ and Category:Mayors of places in West Sussex
 * Category:Mayors of Ljutomer to Category:People from Ljutomer‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Slovenia
 * Category:Mayors of Luhansk to Category:People from Luhansk‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Ukraine
 * Category:Mayors of Macapá to Category:People from Macapá‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Brazil
 * Category:Mayors of Makhachkala to Category:People from Makhachkala‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Russia
 * Category:Mayors of Makiivka to Category:People from Makiivka‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Ukraine
 * Category:Mayors of Maribor to Category:People from Maribor‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Slovenia
 * Category:Mayors of Mechelen to Category:People from Mechelen‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Belgium
 * Category:Mayors of Medan to Category:People from Medan‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Indonesia
 * Category:Mayors of Meppel to Category:People from Meppel‎ and Category:Mayors in Drenthe
 * Category:Mayors of Miri, Malaysia to Category:Miri, Malaysia‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Malaysia
 * Category:Mayors of Modi'in-Maccabim-Re'ut to Category:People from Modi'in-Maccabim-Re'ut‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Israel
 * Category:Mayors of Mohali to Category:People from Mohali‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Punjab, India
 * Category:Mayors of Naga, Camarines Sur to Category:People from Naga, Camarines Sur‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Camarines Sur
 * Category:Mayors from Nagano (city) to Category:People from Nagano (city)‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Nagano Prefecture‎
 * Category:Mayors of Narbonne to Category:People from Narbonne‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Occitanie
 * Category:Mayors of Nashik to Category:People from Nashik‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Maharashtra
 * Category:Mayors of Navi Mumbai to Category:People from Navi Mumbai‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Maharashtra
 * Category:Mayors of Oldebroek to Category:People from Oldebroek‎ and Category:Mayors in Gelderland
 * Category:Mayors of Onehunga to Category:People from Onehunga‎ and Category:Mayors of places in the Auckland Region
 * Category:Mayors of Otaru to Category:People from Otaru‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Hokkaido
 * Category:Mayors of Overbetuwe to Category:People from Overbetuwe‎ and Category:Mayors in Gelderland
 * Category:Mayors of Panevėžys to Category:People from Panevėžys‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Lithuania
 * Category:Mayors of Papatoetoe to Category:Mayors of places in the Auckland Region
 * Category:Mayors of Pașcani to Category:People from Pașcani‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Romania
 * Category:Mayors of Pasto, Colombia to Category:People from Pasto, Colombia‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Colombia
 * Category:Mayors of Pekanbaru to Category:People from Pekanbaru‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Indonesia
 * Category:Mayors of Pekela to Category:People from Pekela‎ and Category:Mayors in Groningen (province)
 * Category:Mayors of Peñalolén to Category:People from Santiago Province, Chile‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Chile
 * Category:Mayors of Perm to Category:People from Perm‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Russia
 * Category:Mayors of Piran to Category:People from Piran‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Slovenia
 * Category:Mayors of Plzeň to Category:People from Plzeň‎ and Category:Mayors of places in the Czech Republic
 * Category:Mayors of Poltava to Category:People from Poltava‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Ukraine
 * Category:Mayors of Pontianak to Category:People from Pontianak‎ and Category:Mayors and regents of places in West Kalimantan‎
 * Category:Mayors of Purmerend to Category:People from Purmerend‎ and Category:Mayors in North Holland
 * Category:Mayors of Quilicura to Category:People from Santiago Metropolitan Region‎‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Chile
 * Category:Mayors of Raipur to Category:People from Raipur, Chhattisgarh‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Chhattisgarh‎
 * Category:Mayors of Rewa, Madhya Pradesh to Category:People from Rewa, Madhya Pradesh‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Madhya Pradesh‎
 * Category:Mayors of Ronda to Category:People from Ronda and Category:Mayors of places in Cebu
 * Category:Mayors of Satu Mare to Category:People from Satu Mare‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Romania
 * Category:Mayors of Saint-Coulitz to Category:People from Finistère‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Brittany
 * Category:Mayors of Salatiga to Category:People from Salatiga‎ and Category:Mayors and regents of places in Central Java‎
 * Category:Mayors of Salzburg to Category:Politicians from Salzburg‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Austria
 * Category:Mayors of Sankt Florian to Category:People from Sankt Florian‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Austria
 * Category:Mayors of Semarang to Category:People from Semarang‎ and Category:Mayors and regents of places in Central Java‎
 * Category:Mayors of 's-Hertogenbosch to Category:People from 's-Hertogenbosch‎ and Category:Mayors in North Brabant
 * Category:Mayors of Shimla to Category:People from Shimla‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Himachal Pradesh‎
 * Category:Mayors of Shiraz to Category:People from Shiraz‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Iran
 * Category:Mayors of Siliguri to Category:People from Siliguri‎ and Category:Mayors of places in West Bengal‎
 * Category:Mayors of Simpelveld to Category:People from Simpelveld‎ and Category:Mayors in Limburg (Netherlands)
 * Category:Mayors of Sloviansk to Category:People from Sloviansk‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Ukraine
 * Category:Mayors of Smallingerland to Category:People from Smallingerland‎ and Category:Mayors in Friesland
 * Category:Mayors of Soroca to Category:People from Soroca‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Moldova
 * Category:Mayors of South Tangerang to Category:South Tangerang‎ and Category:Mayors and regents of places in Banten‎
 * Category:Mayors of Steyregg to Category:Politicians from Steyregg‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Austria
 * Category:Mayors of Stichtse Vecht to Category:People from Stichtse Vecht‎ and Category:Mayors in Utrecht (province)
 * Category:Mayors of Tanjung Pinang to Category:Tanjungpinang‎ and Category:Mayors and regents of places in the Riau Islands‎
 * Category:Mayors of Tel Keppe to Category:People from Tel Keppe‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Iraq
 * Category:Mayors of Ternopil to Category:People from Ternopil‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Ukraine
 * Category:Mayors of Thiruvananthapuram to Category:Politicians from Thiruvananthapuram‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Kerala
 * Category:Mayors of Tiel to Category:People from Tiel‎ and Category:Mayors in Gelderland
 * Category:Mayors of Toledo to Category:Mayors of places in Cebu
 * Category:Mayors of Trautmannsdorf an der Leitha to Category:People from Trautmannsdorf an der Leitha‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Austria
 * Category:Mayors of Ulhasnagar to Category:People from Ulhasnagar‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Maharashtra
 * Category:Mayors of Urk to Category:People from Urk‎ and Category:Mayors in Flevoland
 * Category:Mayors of Vaasa to Category:People from Vaasa‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Finland
 * Category:Mayors of Vadodara to Category:Politicians from Vadodara‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Gujarat‎
 * Category:Mayors of Vellore to Category:People from Vellore‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Tamil Nadu‎
 * Category:Mayors of Villefranche-sur-Saône to Category:People from Villefranche-sur-Saône‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes
 * Category:Mayors of Vinnytsia to Category:People from Vinnytsia‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Ukraine
 * Category:Mayors of Vlaardingen to Category:People from Vlaardingen‎ and Category:Mayors in South Holland
 * Category:Mayors of Voronezh to Category:People from Voronezh‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Russia


 * Category:Mayors of Waitemata City to Category:Mayors of places in the Auckland Region
 * Category:Mayors of Weert to Category:People from Weert‎ and Category:Mayors in Limburg (Netherlands)
 * Category:Mayors of Weesp to Category:People from Weesp‎ and Category:Mayors in North Holland
 * Category:Mayors of Zaporizhzhia to Category:People from Zaporizhzhia‎ and Category:Mayors of places in Ukraine
 * Category:Mayors of Zoetermeer to Category:People from Zoetermeer‎ and Category:Mayors in South Holland
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, just one article in each of these categories and they are not part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion and this earlier discussion; pinging contributors to those discussions. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:01, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Support :) ItsPugle (please use&#32; on reply) 09:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose WP:SMALLCAT specifically states that it excludes "a category which does have realistic potential for growth, such as a category for holders of a notable political office, may be kept even if only a small number of its articles actually exist at the present time", which seems to be the case for at least many of these. The results from a few that I checked:
 * The Karviná category currently only has one mayor with an enwiki article, but the cswiki category has 3 other mayors who look like they meet enwiki notability standards (and there have been other mayors of the city, who are also likely notable). Karviná is a sizable city with at least one local newspaper, and it's reasonable to expect new mayors will be elected in future.
 * Dewiki category de:Kategorie:Bürgermeister (Innsbruck) has more than 10 articles (and dewiki generally has fairly high notability standards)
 * There are likewise more than 10 members of nl:Categorie:Burgemeester van IJsselstein. IJsselstein has a long history, having received city rights in 1331.
 * Therefore, I conclude that this is at least a WP:TRAINWRECK (and quite possibly, few or none of these should be deleted). (t &#183; c)  buidhe  19:13, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Procedural oppose. I want to start out with the proviso that mayor of a city is not an "inherently" notable position that guarantees an article, so mayor categories aren't exempted from WP:SMALLCAT on the grounds that further expansion might be possible in the future — mayor-of-individual-city categories are the type where at least five or six articles have to already exist before the category is allowed to be created, because there's no universal guarantee that mayors are always notable enough to earn articles and thus no guarantee that the categories can consistently be lifted past the SMALLCAT bar. (The "holders of a notable political office" condition was meant for inherently notable positions like prime ministers and members of the legislature, not necessarily every political office that exists.) That said, the sheer number of categories that have been batched here makes this essentially unjusticiable — some of these may not be possible to salvage, but others may be, so it's virtually impossible to issue a blanket judgement on all of them at once. Accordingly, I can't support this as constituted, and would recommend that they be renominated in smaller batches (e.g. one batch per country, or per subnational unit where necessary, instead of one giant international omnibus batch) so that we can keep the discussions manageable. Bearcat (talk) 14:03, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - editors should not create such categories unless they can find 4 or 5 articles to put in them. Oculi (talk) 18:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose trainwreck nomination of categories. 122.60.68.57 (talk) 09:03, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:SMALLCAT. While most places that has mayors can be expected to have 5 mayors, many will not be notable so there is no expectation that every one will have a category. No opposition to recreating any categories if they ever reach 5 articles. RevelationDirect (talk)


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Category:Unassessed-Class chess articles of Mid-importance

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename WP:C2C with Category:Unassessed chess articles of Low-importance and Category:Unassessed chess articles of Unknown-importance. The target name is currently what is generated by putting  on an article talk page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:53, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Unassessed-Class chess articles of Mid-importance to Category:Unassessed chess articles of Mid-importance
 * Nominator's rationale: Correct name (see, for example, ). 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 14:08, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Support, also aligning with Category:Unassessed articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Highlander (franchise) episodes

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 12:31, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Highlander (franchise) episodes to Category:Highlander (franchise) television series
 * Nominator's rationale: or upmerge the lists, and rename to Category:Highlander: The Series seasons. None of the 8 articles in this category are episodes. 6 are season articles and 2 are list of episode articles . Gonnym (talk) 13:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Mexican public domain images
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 2

Category:German Jewish communities

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:44, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:German Jewish communities to Category:Jewish communities in Germany
 * Nominator's rationale: I suggest renaming it to this form per the standard seen in Category:Historic Jewish communities in Europe and Category:Jewish communities. Or perhaps Category:Historic Jewish communities in Germany would be better per the rationale in the Category:Historic Jewish communities.Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  03:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Support per nom. Adding "historic" might indeed be better still. Johnbod (talk) 16:41, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Comment, Category:Jewish German history by city would be a more accurate description of the category content. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:34, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish communities in Poland

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:43, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Jewish communities in Poland to Category:Historic Jewish communities in Poland
 * Nominator's rationale: I recently created this but per rationale in Category:Historic Jewish communities I think this should be renamed. Or perhaps it could remain as a parent category, since there probably is some sort of small re-emergent Jewish community in biggest Polish cities these days, but I don't think we have Wikiepdia articles on this yet, and pretty much all articles here about former Jewish communities that ended with the Holocaust. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:02, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Purge, for example Chortkiv is a modern city in Ukraine, not defined by having had a Jewish community in the past. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Rename per nom. "Historic" makes more sense considering the Holocaust in Poland.--Darwinek (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Not all of these places were in Poland at the relevant period.  Rathfelder (talk) 15:33, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Hubert Parry

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, without prejudice to future creation of Category:Gambier-Parry family. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:42, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting hubert parry


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent category for a single sub-category. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 04:48, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Weak keep The category now has the subcat and 7 members, as his close relations have been added. Johnbod (talk) 16:09, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete per WP:NONDEF. The articles in this category contain virtually no information about Hubert Parry. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * how about renaming and repurposing as another Category:Parry family (note, that page is already a disambiguation page)? – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:04, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok with that. Johnbod (talk) 21:26, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We'd better not create another family category for a family that has not acquired notability by themselves. There are too many of them already. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, it's who first created it (as an unnecessary WP:EPONYMOUS category) and has now populated it as a family category following this nomination. We'd only be renaming it according to the new purpose; presumably it would be Category:Gambier-Parry family, as mentioned at Highnam Court. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:29, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That is true, though my first preference remains deletion, if kept rename to Category:Gambier-Parry family. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Also ok with that. Johnbod (talk) 23:20, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Lean Toward Delete This definitely has nothing but the main article and the subcategory as an eponymous category. (No opposition to converting to Category:Gambier-Parry family if that has consensus though.) RevelationDirect (talk) 00:30, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Bunkface
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:13, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting bunkface


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON. A eponymous parent category simply for an group's albums category and the cover art for those albums. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:11, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


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