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Category:Rissa

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Kittiwakes  – using plural as in parent Category:Gulls and others within Category:Seabirds. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:07, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:
 * Category:Rissa to Category:Rissa (bird)
 * or
 * Category:Rissa to Category:Rissa (genus)
 * or
 * Category:Rissa to Category:Kittiwake
 * Nominator's rationale: In this context, "Rissa" refers to the scientific name for the kittiwake bird. Some change is needed to disambiguate it from the other titles listed at the dab page Rissa.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 01:49, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Rename to avoid ambiguity. In these trees the usage of the scientific name (option A or B) is generally preferred. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:13, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Kittiwake, since all articles in the category are under their common names using "kittiwake".  bibliomaniac 1  5  03:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Rename to as the main article of the category is Kittiwake. Armbrust The Homunculus 17:05, 15 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Ford stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 18:43, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ford stubs and


 * Nominator's rationale: unproposed, underpopulated, underuseful. It's rare we create stubs for particular companies, and in this case it makes more sense to split by type of vehicle (which is what WP:WSS has been doing for years). The category has two (count 'em!) articles. Grutness... wha?   10:30, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete -- not enough content for a stub category: merge to motor vehicle stubs (only). Peterkingiron (talk) 13:06, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, the two articles aren't even stubs. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:42, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Good point - I hadn't checked, but you're right! Grutness... wha?   16:52, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails the size requirements for a stub category. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 03:27, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator & Marcocapelle. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 09:51, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Children of Medusa

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  22:17, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Children of Medusa to Category:Medusa
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, two children and little chance of Medusa getting a third child. The two articles already link to each other directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Support for reasons given by the nominator: category with only two entries, and little or no potential for expansion; all of the articles concerned should already link to each other. P Aculeius (talk) 13:49, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Viable small category. Dimadick (talk) 15:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Johnbod (talk) 13:25, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Elections in Saga Prefecture

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:01, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Elections in Saga Prefecture to Category:Politics of Saga Prefecture
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, it only contains one subcategory and one template. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:45, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - it also places the content in Category:Elections in Japan by prefecture. Oculi (talk) 21:20, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The content is already in that tree, in the much better populated Category:Gubernatorial elections in Japan. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:12, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Merge per nom.  bibliomaniac 1  5  22:21, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge for Now The proposed category tree allows for navigation of the existing articles. No objection to recreating later if/when the article count grows. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:34, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Razakar

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  22:17, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting razakar


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of any of the four biographies, and WP:SMALLCAT applies to the two remaining articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:32, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Category:Razakar to Category:Razakar (Pakistan) – C2D: per head article Razakar (Pakistan). The bare title Razakar is about the concept (an Arabic word which means volunteer), but Razakar (Pakistan) is a specific force which operated in East Pakistan.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 01:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe this should be Category:Razakars (Pakistan). – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * @Fayenatic, the category currently structured as a topic category, so no plural needed. Maybe it should become a combined set/topic category? --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure I understand this re WP:TOPICCAT. In what way is it "structured as a topic category", other than its name being singular rather than plural? How would it "become" a combined one – simply by renaming as I have suggested? – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Fayenatic: It's set up as a WP:TOPICCAT for the organisation called Razakar (Pakistan). If it was a set category, it would have people categories as patents. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see – thank you. But I disagree that the organisation was called Razakar (Pakistan), even though that is its main article; in the article, the organisation is referred to either as "Razakars" or as "Razakar force". Moreover, I think the category is already functioning also as a set category. (I would probably move the article as well.) – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * @Fayenatic, I have moved this to the opposed section, because I think it has moved beyond the type of straightforward issue which can be handled as a speedy, so we need a full discussion to consider it. I'll leave it you make that full nomination, so that you can make the nominator's case upfront. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:46, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


 * pinging contributors to earlier CFDS renaming discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:36, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Razakars (Pakistan) . The biographies mention more or less prominently that the persons were members of Al-Badr or Al-Shams, which according to Razakars (Pakistan) were the two paramilitary branches of the Razakars. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:02, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * They are primarily known for being convicted for war crimes and already in Category:Bangladeshi people convicted of war crimes. Most people in that category may also be added to this category, if kept, but it is largely a case of WP:OVERLAPCAT. If kept, rename to Category:Razakars (Pakistan) and purge. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:21, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * would you be willing to indicate whether or not you agree with my previous comment? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the ping. After looking into it further, I support the nomination to delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:53, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


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Suburbs of Cairns smallcats

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 * The result of the discussion was: manual deletion. MER-C 18:47, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose manually deleting:
 * 1-page categories
 * Category:Trinity Beach, Queensland
 * 2-page categories
 * Category:Freshwater, Queensland
 * Category:Smithfield, Queensland
 * Category:Stratford, Queensland
 * Category:Whitfield, Queensland
 * Category:Woree, Queensland
 * Category:Yorkeys Knob, Queensland
 * 3-page categories
 * Category:Cairns City, Queensland
 * Category:Edge Hill, Queensland
 * Category:Parramatta Park, Queensland
 * Category:Redlynch, Queensland


 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Each of these 12 subcats of Category:Suburbs of Cairns, Australia is tiny, and likely to have little chance of expansion.  They each currently contain only the head article plus one or two other pages.
 * In each case, the head article is already in Category:Suburbs of Cairns (so no need to merge), and the other pages don't belong in Category:Suburbs of Cairns (so merger would be wrong). But the categories should be manually checked to ensure that all pages are adequately categorised.
 * I haven't checked for the availability of other articles to expand the categories; there are too many of these Australian smallcats to check. However, I make the nomination without prejudice to re-creating any of them which can be legitimately populated with more than five pages.
 * As with many New South Wales locations, the creation of geographical subcats in Queensland has been indiscriminate. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Support per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:13, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


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Suburbs of Logan City smallcats
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual deletion. MER-C 18:48, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose manually deleting:
 * 2-page categories
 * Category:Bethania, Queensland
 * Category:Crestmead, Queensland
 * Category:Daisy Hill, Queensland
 * Category:Logan Village, Queensland
 * Category:Loganholme, Queensland
 * Category:Mundoolun, Queensland
 * Category:Waterford, Queensland
 * 3-page categories
 * Category:Eagleby, Queensland‎
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Each of these 8 subcats of Category:Suburbs of Logan City, Australia is tiny, and likely to have little chance of expansion.  They each currently contain only the head article plus one or two other pages.
 * In each case, the head article is already in Category:Suburbs of Logan City (so no need to merge), and the other pages don't belong in Category:Suburbs of Logan City (so merger would be wrong). But the categories should be manually checked to ensure that all pages are adequately categorised.
 * I haven't checked for the availability of other articles to expand the categories; there are too many of these Australian smallcats to check. However, I make the nomination without prejudice to re-creating any of them which can be legitimately populated with more than five pages.
 * As with many New South Wales locations, the creation of geographical subcats in Queensland has been indiscriminate. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:01, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Support per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


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Suburbs of Mackay smallcats
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual deletion. MER-C 18:49, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose manually deleting:
 * 2-page categories
 * Category:North Mackay, Queensland‎
 * 3-page categories
 * Category:West Mackay, Queensland‎
 * Category:South Mackay, Queensland
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Each of these 3 subcats of Category:Suburbs of Mackay, Queensland is tiny, and likely to have little chance of expansion.  They each currently contain only the head article plus one or two other pages.
 * In each case, the head article is already in Category:Suburbs of Mackay, Queensland (so no need to merge), and the other pages don't belong in Category:Suburbs of Mackay, Queensland (so merger would be wrong). But the categories should be manually checked to ensure that all pages are adequately categorised.
 * I haven't checked for the availability of other articles to expand the categories; there are too many of these Australian smallcats to check. However, I make the nomination without prejudice to re-creating any of them which can be legitimately populated with more than five pages.
 * As with many New South Wales locations, the creation of geographical subcats in Queensland has been indiscriminate. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:08, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Support per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who use AutoWikiBrowser
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. As mentioned by the opposition, this is a fairly specific category; there is no prejudice against creating a similar category for JWB users. Primefac (talk) 22:40, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians who use AutoWikiBrowser to Category:Wikipedians with AutoWikiBrowser access
 * Nominator's rationale: Propose renaming to Category:Wikipedians with AutoWikiBrowser access because not everyone who has AWB access has a computer that supports AWB, like me and plenty others (AWB is only for those with Windows). My computer, for example, does not support it (it's a Chromebook, so I use JWB instead). ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 17:18, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Oppose - Access without use is not meaningful. If the distinction between AWB and JWB is material, then the solution here is to create Category:Wikipedians who use JavaScript Wiki Browser and updated User:Joeytje50/JWB/Userbox to point there. 21:36, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

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Category:Films with screenplays by Fred Hoyle
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  22:19, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Films with screenplays by Fred Hoyle to Category:Works by Fred Hoyle
 * Nominator's rationale: There is only 1 film categorized here –<b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b><sup style="color:#000">talk 14:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Comment, currently there are 4 articles in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, but 3 of the articles are not films. –<b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b><sup style="color:#000">talk 13:16, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, in that case support merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:28, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete -- The additional items are derivatives or adaptions. I note that nothing of this is mentioned in Fred Hoyle, except in passing.  No doubt he had a hand in the original TV programme, but writing films was hardly a major activity of this notable astromoner.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:15, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * In three of the four articles his name is mentioned in the first sentence. I can't imagine this is not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:28, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Royal Monastery of San Juan de la Peña
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:10, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting royal monastery of san juan de la peña


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only two articles and little room for expansion. The two articles already link to each other directly. When the category is deleted, its parent categories should be added to the main article Royal Monastery of San Juan de la Peña. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete -- The other article is on a chronicle written at the monastery, which does not fit with the parents of this category. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:19, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


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