Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 18



Category:Nonagenarians

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting nonagenarians


 * Nominator's rationale: Category is based on a WP:NONDEFINING characteristic. It was previously deleted in 2013 for this reason. 1857a (talk) 21:36, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - re-creation of deleted category. Oculi (talk) 21:58, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete recreation and non-defining. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:30, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete oer G4. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 03:28, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:G4. Place Clichy (talk) 08:04, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT voice actors

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:08, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lgbt voice actors


 * Propose deleting lgbt voice actresses


 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization of just two actors (one per category) based on a non-defining intersection of unrelated traits. In the tree, we do not subcategorize the actors by the question of whether they acted in film, television, stage or voice roles -- we categorize by gender where appropriate, and/or by which quadrant of the community they belong to where known, but chunking out the voice actors for their own category isn't a necessary or useful separation in this context. No upmerging necessary, as both of the two people filed here are already in other appropriate subcategories of the parent. Bearcat (talk) 18:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose. This is actually a WP:DEFINING intersection for trans people, esp trans women, for whom vocal range is a significant issue. It might be helpful to narrow the categories to trans-only, but outright deletion is not warranted. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:37, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Pace BHG I'm not really convinced that this is defining for trans actors either. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 20:56, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and per WP:OCEGRS. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:32, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The voice is not intrinsic to their LGBTness; the LGBTness is not intrinsic to their voice. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:03, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:OCEGRS. I doubt that academic research would focus on the intersection of LGBT and dubbing, even for transgender, even for porn. (That's a good question though: can LGBT voice actors dub straight porn films, and vice versa?) Place Clichy (talk) 08:04, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Another interesting question is whether "LGBT vice actors" would be defining if it existed? (Hiberno English needed to make that pun work). Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:33, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Television episodes in multiple parts

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:09, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting
 * television episodes in multiple parts
 * british television episodes in multiple parts
 * american television episodes in multiple parts
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. Including the national subcategories.  Sandstein   16:20, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Procedural oppose . If  wants the subcats to be deleted, then they need to be tagged and listed here.  Since they haven't been tagged and listed, all this nomination can do is to remove the container category, while leaving in place Category:American television episodes in multiple parts etc.  That's pointless. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:37, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have struck my procedural oppose now that has listed the subcats.  I haven't yet taken a substantive view on whether these categories are non-defining. Maybe someone from WP:TV can offer some insights. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:23, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've now also tagged and listed the British and American subcats. The sub-subcats (e.g. Category:Star Trek: Voyager episodes in multiple parts) can be nominated if consensus is to delete the parent categories.  Sandstein   16:48, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Notification: WikiProject Television has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have also notified the Television Episode coverage task force. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:33, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete non-defining. Many shows leave cliff-hangers to be resolved at the next installment of the show, whether deemed the same or next episode is in the eyes of the author. As defining as categorizing books on how many chapters they have. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:35, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Satellite meteorology and remote sensing

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:15, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Satellite meteorology and remote sensing to Category:Satellite meteorology
 * Nominator's rationale: Current naming competes with that of parent Category:Remote sensing. fgnievinski (talk) 15:33, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename, the phrase "and remote sensing" is a redundant addition. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Sadogatake stable wrestlers
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Category:Articles with text from the Afro-Asiatic languages collective

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to "Articles with text in FOOian languages". Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Articles with text from the Afro-Asiatic languages collective to Category:Articles with text from in Afro-Asiatic languages
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Category:Articles with text from the Afro-Asiatic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Afro-Asiatic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Albanian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Albanian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Algonquian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Algonquian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Altaic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Altaic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Apache languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Apache languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Arawakan languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Arawakan languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Artificial languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Artificial languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Athapascan languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Athapascan languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Austronesian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Austronesian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Baltic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Baltic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Bamileke languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Bamileke languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Bantu languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Bantu languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Batak languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Batak languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Berber languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Berber languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Bihari languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Bihari languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Celtic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Celtic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Chibchan languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Chibchan languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Dravidian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Dravidian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the East Slavic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Slavic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Eskimo-Aleut languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Eskimo-Aleut languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Finno-Ugrian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Finno-Ugrian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Germanic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Germanic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Greek languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Greek languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Himachali languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Himachali languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Indic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Indic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Indo-European languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Indo-European languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Indo-Iranian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Indo-Iranian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Iranian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Iranian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Iroquoian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Iroquoian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Italic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Italic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Malayo-Polynesian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Malayo-Polynesian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Mayan languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Mayan languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Mongolian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Mongolian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Multiple languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Multiple languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Nahuatl languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Nahuatl languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the North American Indian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Indian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the North Germanic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Germanic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Nubian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Nubian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Otomian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Otomian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Philippine languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Philippine languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Prakrit languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Prakrit languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Romance languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Romance languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Salishan languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Salishan languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Sami languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Sami languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Semitic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Semitic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Siouan languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Siouan languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Slavic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Slavic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Sorbian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Sorbian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the South Slavic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Slavic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Tai languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Tai languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Tungus languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Tungus languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Tupi languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Tupi languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Turkic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Turkic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Uncoded languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Uncoded languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Uralic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Uralic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the West Germanic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Germanic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the West Slavic languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Slavic languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Western Malayo-Polynesian languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Malayo-Polynesian languages
 * Category:Articles with text from the Yupik languages collective -> Category:Articles with text from Yupik languages

There is no such thing as a "language collective" - it's not used on Wikipedia and its not a term of art. I think this may have come from "collective language code" - it is the code that has collective application here, not the grouping of languages.


 * Afro-Asiatic languages collective · Afro-Asiatic languages
 * Albanian languages collective · Albanian languages
 * Algonquian languages collective · Algonquian languages
 * Altaic languages collective · Altaic languages
 * Apache languages collective · Apache languages
 * Arawakan languages collective · Arawakan languages
 * Artificial languages collective · Artificial languages
 * Athapascan languages collective · Athapascan languages
 * Austronesian languages collective · Austronesian languages
 * Baltic languages collective · Baltic languages
 * Bamileke languages collective · Bamileke languages
 * Bantu languages collective · Bantu languages
 * Batak languages collective · Batak languages
 * Berber languages collective · Berber languages
 * Bihari languages collective · Bihari languages
 * Celtic languages collective · Celtic languages
 * Chibchan languages collective · Chibchan languages
 * Dravidian languages collective · Dravidian languages
 * East Slavic languages collective · East Slavic languages
 * Eskimo-Aleut languages collective · Eskimo-Aleut languages
 * Finno-Ugrian languages collective · Finno-Ugrian languages
 * Germanic languages collective · Germanic languages
 * Greek languages collective · Greek languages
 * Himachali languages collective · Himachali languages
 * Indic languages collective · Indic languages
 * Indo-European languages collective · Indo-European languages
 * Indo-Iranian languages collective · Indo-Iranian languages
 * Iranian languages collective · Iranian languages
 * Iroquoian languages collective · Iroquoian languages
 * Italic languages collective · Italic languages
 * Malayo-Polynesian languages collective · Malayo-Polynesian languages
 * Mayan languages collective · Mayan languages
 * Mongolian languages collective · Mongolian languages
 * Multiple languages collective · Multiple languages
 * Nahuatl languages collective · Nahuatl languages
 * North American Indian languages collective · North American Indian languages
 * North Germanic languages collective · North Germanic languages
 * Nubian languages collective · Nubian languages
 * Otomian languages collective · Otomian languages
 * Philippine languages collective · Philippine languages
 * Prakrit languages collective · Prakrit languages
 * Romance languages collective · Romance languages
 * Salishan languages collective · Salishan languages
 * Sami languages collective · Sami languages
 * Semitic languages collective · Semitic languages
 * Siouan languages collective · Siouan languages
 * Slavic languages collective · Slavic languages
 * Sorbian languages collective · Sorbian languages
 * South Slavic languages collective · South Slavic languages
 * Tai languages collective · Tai languages
 * Tungus languages collective · Tungus languages
 * Tupi languages collective · Tupi languages
 * Turkic languages collective · Turkic languages
 * Uncoded languages collective · Uncoded languages
 * Uralic languages collective · Uralic languages
 * West Germanic languages collective · West Germanic languages
 * West Slavic languages collective · West Slavic languages
 * Western Malayo-Polynesian languages collective · Western Malayo-Polynesian languages
 * Yupik languages collective · Yupik languages

All the best: Rich Farmbrough  13:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC).


 * Support as nominator. All the best: Rich Farmbrough  21:48, 18 August 2020 (UTC).

To make those templates populate the renamed categories, all these means of automatic population needed to identified, and a mechanism created to make them use the new naming format. I see nothing in this proposal to address that.
 * Oppose, for several reasons:
 * These are not content categories. They are tracking categories used for en.wp administration, and they are hidden categories ... so readers don't see them. Polishing the terminology of maintenance categories is helpful only to resolve ambiguity or other imprecision, but in this case there is no confusion about scope or purpose ... so this is just a makework.
 * These categories are populated automatically by lang, and possibly by other templates. The CFD bots can not recategorise the contents of these cats.
 * None of the nominated categories has been tagged.
 * This should have been discussed first at WT:WikiProject Languages, which is the project that uses these tracking categories. Instead, I see that they have not even been notified.
 * I have created many of these non-English categories when they appear at Special:WantedCategories. In the last few years, I have made hundreds of them. Tweaking them without proper preparation is likely to flood Special:WantedCategories with yet more time-consuming maintenace work ... for zero gain.
 * I urge the nominator @Rich Farmbrough to withdraw this ill-considered nomination. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:49, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Rich, please can you just bring this to a close? -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 15:20, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * pinging who can maybe shed some light on this as the tracking is done by Module:Lang (line 518). --Gonnym (talk) 14:21, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Language collective is defined at Library of Congress (ISO 639-2 custodican) and at sil.org (ISO 639-3 custodian). With respect to category names, collectives were discussed at:
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 15:15, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, @Trappist the monk, for that very helpful and well-informed prompt response. So as well as the multiple procedural flaws of this nomination, it is substantively wrong about its core assertion.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 15:15, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, @Trappist the monk, for that very helpful and well-informed prompt response. So as well as the multiple procedural flaws of this nomination, it is substantively wrong about its core assertion.
 * Thank you, @Trappist the monk, for that very helpful and well-informed prompt response. So as well as the multiple procedural flaws of this nomination, it is substantively wrong about its core assertion.
 * Nomenclature
 * Firstly we should apply WP:COMMON.
 * Then in Category Land we should apply the following speedy principles:
 * C2C: Consistency with established category tree names - the languages category tree uses Fooian languages
 * C2D: Consistency with main article's name - the articles on language groups, are named Fooian languages, as shown in the box above.
 * The references provided don't support the existing naming.
 * Library of Congress talks about "language groups", "language collections" and "language group names", it only uses "collective" as an adjective for codes.
 * SIL, similarly describes a "collective language code" but the section is called "Collections of languages" and they refer to "a group of individual languages" and "collections of language"
 * In the archived discussions, only Trappist uses the term "language collective", and I think only once. Indeed this is the only use of the term I could find on Wikipedia, outside this discussion.
 * To be clear I have no problem with the term being used in conversation, but it doesn't seem to be a good idea for category names.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough  22:32, 18 August 2020 (UTC).
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough  22:32, 18 August 2020 (UTC).

Process issues Ok that's quite a lot of objections from BHG, all relating to Wikipedia process. I'm going to break them down a little further, for clarity
 * 1) Not content categories - we can rename maintenance categories for sense and style.  I renamed, I think, the "cleanup" categories to "clean-up" on request from other editors.  Good names are a good thing even for maintenance categories.
 * 2) CfD bots the cfd bots won't be needed, unless the cats have been applied manually.
 * 3) all means of automatic categorisation need to be identified this is not going to be hard - there's probably only one or at the most two.  As you say these are maint cats, so even if a few members hang around in the old categories for a day or so it's not a major problem.
 * 4) a mechanism created to make them use the new naming format again not hard.  Probably [this] is not far from what is needed.
 * 5) tagging You are right, these should have been tagged, I have tagged them.  I am not a regular of XfD pages, and if this is an example of CfD,  I am glad of it.
 * 6) I have made hundreds of them I'm sure you have, I made many of them myself, if one counts cut-and-paste of old categories, probably most of them, and also made the template you use to create them.  But you have made over 5,000 categories in the last week alone, so I don't really have much sympathy for the idea that renaming 59 of them, some of which you created, (and some of which have been renamed already, presumably without your objection), is wasting your work.  It's improving it, which is the purpose of a wiki.
 * 7) flood
 * 8) * There are only 59 categories
 * 9) * There are only 715 articles in these categories.
 * 10) * Only 13 of them don't have an explicit Lang template, those I have examined transclude Lang via another template.
 * 11) * The average page-views of the categories is less than one per 10 days.
 * Nothing is going to be flooded by this change.

I thought it was fairly clear that this was a simple change, I hope that the additional information makes it so. All the best: Rich Farmbrough  21:47, 18 August 2020 (UTC).


 * Support Clarity in names is an important feature of a good system.&minus;Woodstone (talk) 05:20, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment The correct preposition is in, not from, e.g. "Category:Articles with text in an Altaic language". –LaundryPizza<b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:18, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree, I have changed the proposition accordingly. I would prefer to keep the plurals, primarily because we use plural nouns to include singular.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough  20:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC).


 * Support alternative "in" e.g. Category:Articles with text in an Altaic language as a clearer title, assuming that the rename will not cause significant technical difficulties (which I cannot judge). Marcocapelle (talk) 20:35, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Question -- Is this fulfilling a useful administrative function; if so, it should obviously be kept. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:12, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ping Peterkingiron It's a rename proposal, not a delete proposal. All the best: Rich Farmbrough  01:40, 23 August 2020 (UTC).


 * Comment: If this does get changed, then per WP:CONSISTENCY it should be "Articles containing Afro-Asiatic languages text" to match the other language categories in the set (Category:Articles containing German-language text ). --Gonnym (talk) 17:26, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That would also be perfectly fine. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:29, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I sympathise with the desire for consistency, but when we are talking about a language group the construct becomes clumsy at best, and I would say ungrammatical. All the best: Rich Farmbrough  19:32, 10 September 2020 (UTC).


 * Emptied out-of-process. This discussion has not been closed, but someone has decided to pre-empt its outcome.  For example, Category:Articles with text from the West Slavic languages collective is now empty, and its contents are at the non-existent Category:Articles with text from West Slavic languages.
 * Dozens of such categories are listed at Special:WantedCategories.
 * This appears to have been caused by this edit on 30 August by @Trappist the monk to Module:Lang.
 * I will revert Trappist's edit, to restore the status quo ante, without prejudice to whatever consensus may be reached in this discussion. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs)
 * I have reverted Trappist the monk's edit to the module. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:13, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And I have re-reverted. Why do you insist on pulling the revert-ripcord before talking?  Yeah, I'm human, and yeah, I make mistakes.  This one was a simple oversight of a change that Editor Rich Farmbrough made to the sandbox.  Fixing that would have been a 10-second job, no-one would be angry, I wouldn't have had to write this.  In future, please, if I do something that you think is wrong, talk to me before you revert.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:38, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * @Trappist the monk, I did not pull any ripcord. I reverted a edit which had a widespread disruptive effect.
 * In future, kindly take responsibility for your edits and do not blame me for an error which you made. I accept your explanation that it was an error made in good faith ... but you made the error, and you chose not to leave an edit summary explaining what you actually intended.
 * So the civil response from you would have been along the lines of "Sorry, BHG. I didn't intend that. Now fixed. [longer explanation]". In future, please try that civility ... and in future, please use informative edit summaries.  Your edit summary "sync from sandbox" says precisely zero about what the edit was intended to do. If you choose not to explain what an edit is for, then you have no right to complain that another editor assumed that its effect was what you intended. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:51, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I would agree that rushing to revert in such a case isn't a good idea. Reverting an edit made on a complex template by that template's maintainer has the potential to break things elsewhere on the encyclopedia. – Uanfala (talk) 19:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I reverted that edit because it had broken things elsewhere on the encyclopedia. If the maintainer had indicated the purpose of the edit, and that was different to its actual effect, then I would have raised a query ... but there was no edit summary to indicate that the edit was intended to achieve anything other than what it actually did.
 * The maintainer of a complex and wisely-used module should not be making unexplained edits ... and when they make an error (as all humans do), then they should accept responsibility for their error rather than lashing out at the person who fixed it. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ripcord is a metaphor: an action taken to escape disaster. There was no disaster here.  Disruption?  Sure, some.  Disaster?  No.
 * I do take responsibility for my edits. When I have erred, and I do err and will no doubt, no doubt, do so again, I have fixed what I broke.  Some of those errors were much more widely disruptive than this error.
 * There were multiple changes in that sandbox sync, not all of them related to each other. Enumerating them all in an edit summary would not have told you that I overlooked Editor Rich Farmbrough's edit.
 * You wrote: In future, kindly take responsibility for your edits and do not blame me for an error which you made. Show me, please, where it is that I have blamed you for the error that I made.  I have never blamed you for my error.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 21:24, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * @Trappist the monk, I never said or implied that there was a disaster. That's a straw man.
 * There was, as you acknowledge, disruption. That's why I reverted .. and the reason we are discussing this is that instead of saying something like "oops!  Thanks for catching that glitch, I'll restore the other fixes which were the main purpose of the edit", you reacted angrily and don't seem to be letting go of that anger.
 * Enumerating the other changes in that edit summary would have told me that your edit had some purposes other than changing category names. If you had stated that in the edit summary, then I might have asked before reverting ... but you offered no explanation in the edit summary, so I assumed that the main purpose of the edit was this recategorisation.
 * To avoid this sort of thing in future, please use informative edit summaries ... and when someone fixes your error, please say "thanks" rather than jumping on them. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 22:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, such situations could be avoided if people only reverted edits they understood. No? :) – Uanfala (talk) 16:44, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The situation here is that an editor broke the template, by not checking their edit to a module used on a million pages, and this editor did not even leave an edit summary which gave any clue what the intended purpose of that edit was. And when that broken, unexplained edit was detected, it was reverted.
 * This was a good faith error, and it has all been sorted out. I don't think that it helps anyone for you to pile on and start finger-pointing.
 * But if for some reason you feel that finger-pointing is helpful to anyone, please have the decency to point your finger at the editor who created the mess rather than at the editor who stepped in to fix it. Your attempts to blame the fixer look like some sort of trolling.  If you don't actually intend to troll, please stop this. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:30, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The situation here is that an editor broke the template, by not checking their edit to a module used on a million pages, and this editor did not even leave an edit summary which gave any clue what the intended purpose of that edit was. And when that broken, unexplained edit was detected, it was reverted.
 * This was a good faith error, and it has all been sorted out. I don't think that it helps anyone for you to pile on and start finger-pointing.
 * But if for some reason you feel that finger-pointing is helpful to anyone, please have the decency to point your finger at the editor who created the mess rather than at the editor who stepped in to fix it. Your attempts to blame the fixer look like some sort of trolling.  If you don't actually intend to troll, please stop this. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:30, 1 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Conservation in Hong Kong
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:16, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Conservation in Hong Kong to Category:Nature conservation in Hong Kong
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename and disambiguate to remove ambiguity, cf. Category:Heritage conservation in Hong Kong (thank you Underwaterbuffalo for splitting that out last week), and to be consistent with most of Category:Nature conservation by country which has been speedily renamed since the RM at Talk:Nature conservation.
 * Note: this category was excluded from speedy renaming following opposition at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion. After this nomination, only the Rep of Ireland and UK "Conservation" categories will remain to be split. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:31, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom For consistency with this category tree. Dimadick (talk) 14:54, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename for consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:05, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename but I think the suggestion in the discussion that a parent cat should be used is good, even if it's diffusing (which I'm not convinced about). All the best: Rich Farmbrough  08:06, 19 August 2020 (UTC).


 * A disambiguation page was suggested (which I agree with) rather than a parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Films directed by William A. Levey
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:10, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting films directed by william a. levey


 * Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure why this category exists when William A. Levey has no article. SL93 (talk) 06:39, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:FILMSBYDIRECTORCAT  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:11, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Viacom Media Networks people
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National University of Science and Technology MISiS
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Higher School of Coaches
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  bibliomaniac  1  5  20:49, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:
 * Category:Higher school of coaches (Moscow) to Category:Higher School of Coaches
 * Category:Higher school of coaches (Moscow) people to Category:Higher School of Coaches people
 * Category:Moscow Higher School of Coaches alumni to Category:Higher School of Coaches alumni
 * Nominator's rationale: I moved Higher School of Coaches (Moscow) to Higher School of Coaches because no disambiguation was necessary and "(Moscow)" is not part of the name of the institution. I propose renaming the categories to match. (This is not speediable because it is based on a recent article move.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:26, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose as nominated. Capitalisation does remove the ambiguity, esp when using WP:HOTCAT, which will autocomplete without regard to capitalisation. I would support a rename which fixed the capitalisation but retained the disambiguator ... i.e. to Category:Higher School of Coaches (Moscow) etc. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 21:15, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * What in the world is it ambiguous with? Even School of coaches is not an article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:57, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per don't reflexively disambiguate, and MOSCAPS. All the best: Rich Farmbrough  07:56, 19 August 2020 (UTC).


 * Support, it is sufficiently clear from the capitals that this is not a generic type of school. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:34, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Peacebuilding institutions
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