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Category:Fictional victims of bullies

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:02, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional victims of bullies


 * Nominator's rationale: I have a hard time seeing this ever being a defining characteristic. ★Trekker (talk) 16:18, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete POV; ill-defined. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:58, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-defining.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 06:59, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


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Arab-American diplomats

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:03, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Option A: Propose renaming Category:Arab-American diplomats to Category:American diplomats of Arab descent
 * Nominator's rationale for option A: standard format at Category:American people of Arab descent by occupation, and most ethnicity-occupation intersection categories. Place Clichy (talk) 15:25, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Option B: Propose deleting Category:Arab-American diplomats
 * Nominator's rationale for option B: I do not think until proven otherwise that a non-incidental link between the status of diplomat and an Arab-American background could be found for anybody under the conditions set in guidelines WP:EGRS and WP:OCEGRS. The four articles currently in this category do not provide convincing rationale that the individuals would self-define as Arab-Americans:
 * Philip Habib: born in Brooklyn to Lebanese Maronite Catholic parents, never defined as an Arab;
 * Najeeb Halaby: born in Dallas to a Lebanese-Syrian Christian father, never defined as an Arab;
 * Herro Mustafa: born in Erbil, Iraqi Kurdistan, to a Kurdish family;
 * William Stoltzfus: born in Beirut to a Mennonite father from Ohio and a Presbyterian mother from Minneapolis.
 * My preference goes towards Option B. Place Clichy (talk) 15:25, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, the 4 articles do not belong here and per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete (a) these people don't belong per WP:OCEGRS; (b) these are diplomats representing America not Arab America; and (c) it suffers the usual problems (exemplified by Place Clichy above) about defining who belongs and who doesn't and how that can be determined and verified objectively and (d) it's pejorative reminding me of the labeling of a Jewish senator as the senator from Bnai Brith (as opposed to from Ohio). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:04, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. As the creator of this category years ago, the argument re WP:OCEGRS is clear and I support deletion. The category has not proven useful since only four articles are in this category (and none have been added in the 5 years since it was created, from what I can tell). And as other users point out, the inclusion of these four articles is questionable to begin with. If there was more evidence of the notability of this categorization, I would have supported Option A to be consistent with Category:American people of Arab descent by occupation, or perhaps changing "Arab" to "Middle Eastern," in line with Category: American people of Middle Eastern descent. Gabe Iglesia (talk) 13:25, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete (OPtion B) -- I might have voted for option A if any were properly identified as Arabs.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:38, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Turkish Radio and Television Corporation shows

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 * The result of the discussion was: redirect.  bibliomaniac  1  5  18:15, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting turkish radio and television corporation shows


 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Turkish Radio and Television Corporation original programming‎ already exists. Gonnym (talk) 13:40, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Convert to cat-redirect to prevent re-creation. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:40, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Teletoon shows
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 6%23Category:Teletoon shows

Category:Fictional characters who became a protagonist in a spin-off

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:03, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional characters who became a protagonist in a spin-off


 * Nominator's rationale: This is not a defining characteristic of characters. Izno (talk) 13:03, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete as a non-defining characteristic of the characters, and highly redundant with existing categories about spinoffs. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:06, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Video games about orphans

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:03, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting video games about orphans


 * Nominator's rationale: Video games about orphans is not a WP:DEFCAT. Video games featuring orphans would make a little more sense, but still not a defining characteristic, as these entries aren't about the character(s) being orphans. So while Bruce Wayne might be an orphan, it's no surprise that video games don't focus on Batman's parents being killed. Creator has been indef blocked as a sock puppet.  soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 10:44, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete as non-defining as these are not defining traits of the games. It's telling that the two articles and several categories all refer to licensed IPs. In which case, those characters are already categorized. Safe to say none of these games are about the characters being orphans, and might not even verifiably be about orphans at all, if not for the plot details found in other fiction. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:04, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete pern nom Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 10:11, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional-language video games

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:04, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional-language video games


 * Nominator's rationale: A category about "fictional-language video games"? Not a WP:DEFCAT; there are just a few games actually about fictional languages (see earlier discussion at WT:VG) and games with fictional languages is also not a defining characteristic of a video game. Creator has been indef blocked as a sock puppet.  soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 10:41, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete as non-defining. Nearly any fantasy world will have fictional races with fictional languages, and so it would be redundant with various fantasy categories. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:59, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Non defining. I first read the category as games with UIs etc in a fictional language. Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 10:18, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Video games about brothers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:04, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting video games about brothers


 * Nominator's rationale: Not a WP:DEFCAT by any means, these games aren't "about" brothers, they just feature fictional characters that are brothers. Creator has been indef blocked as a sock puppet.  soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 10:38, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete as non-defining, and edges into Video games with brothers, which would be far too many. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:57, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Teen superhero video games

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  18:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting teen superhero video games


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary sub-categorizing with Category:Superhero video games. Creator has been indef blocked as a sock puppet.  soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 10:35, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete as non-defining. Every super hero was, at one point, a teen. Would support an upmerge if those articles aren't already covered there. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:56, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge if not kept (do not delete), there is no reason to remove the content from the tree of Category:Superhero video games. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * They would all go under that category anyway, if they aren't already. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:48, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * They should (rather than "they would"), hence merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:06, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


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South Vietnam Air Force

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:12, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Vietnam Air Force to Category:South Vietnam Air Force
 * Propose renaming Category:Vietnam Air Force personnel to Category:South Vietnam Air Force personnel
 * Propose renaming Category:Vietnam Air Force generals and air marshals to Category:South Vietnam Air Force generals and air marshals
 * Nominator's rationale: By their definition, these categories are for the air force of the Republic of Vietnam, or South Vietnam. The main article is South Vietnam Air Force. A parent category is . Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:26, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 15:42, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:17, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 10:22, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support provided there is nothing in these relating to the present Vietnam (formerly North Vietnam). Peterkingiron (talk) 15:41, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Babylon 5 wars

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 * The result of the discussion was: listify. MER-C 10:21, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting babylon 5 wars


 * Nominator's rationale: This is effectively an empty category. It's a WP:SMALLCAT with only a single redirect, with a longer description. I feel this would almost be a speedy delete, but it's an edge case and I'm still getting a feel for what consensus best practices are around these categories. Either way, this category is unlikely to be populated by an article, because none of these plot elements have gained any coverage in third party sources (beyond sources that cover the larger episodes / fiction itself). Shooterwalker (talk) 20:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. If it is notable at all, the description could be merged into the article. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:41, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Convert to list; I would actually move the category page into article space. The content might then either be expanded, or merged & redirected to the section Babylon_5. If it's expanded as a standalone list, Shadow War needs to be inserted; I don't know where it belongs in chronological order. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:57, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Right, inclusion in Babylon_5 is what I intended to suggest (as a possibility) in my earlier comment as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:32, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Techie3 (talk) 06:12, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Possibly articlise as suggested, but a list in the main article would be even better. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:43, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Nominator comment I'm fine with deleting this and re-creating it as a section in the main Babylon 5 article, as suggested by Fayenatic London, and echoed by Marcocapelle and Peterkingiron. I think that would make it unanimous. Shooterwalker (talk) 00:31, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


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