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Category:Currencies of the Kingdom of Damot

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:47, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting currencies of the kingdom of damot


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALL. This category contains only one article. The only article is already in the parent category Category:Currencies of Africa so no need to Upmerge. Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 21:44, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep The category should be more specific. It should not be deleted, for it contains single article. The article under this category, Marchuwa (currency), which is used by the Kingdom of Damot as well as Kingdom of Wolayita (that's why it is under the category Category:Currencies of the Kingdom of Wolaita, though the discussion is archived). Yes, its parent category is Category:Currencies of Africa, for Wolayita and other Kingdoms that used Marchuwa as a currency were African. But we should not forget the subcategory more specifies the article. There were plenty number of Empires and Kingdoms under the Africa continent, even in Ethiopia, but there are very little pages in the Wikipedia. It needs more attention. Keep, keep and keep.  Yit be  A-21 09:30, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete The currency in question is categorized enough as a medieval currency. We have little on Damot, but the way to solve this problem is not to create categories that group nothing, but to do more research to find more information. There is no justification for having a category of 1 item, it groups nothing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and JPL. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:35, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * delete per nom. Similar to this discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:22, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Panamanian medical doctors

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Panamanian physicians. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 22:54, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Panamanian medical doctors to Category:Panamanian physicians
 * Nominator's rationale: To match all the other American categories. "medical doctors" is used for British and related categories, of which Panama is not one. Rathfelder (talk) 21:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:23, 11 December 2020 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 12:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:28, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose As I have said consistently, in American English usage this is the proper common name, well unless you want us to go to making this Category:Panamanian doctors (medical), which might be a bit closer to the common usage, where they are normally just called doctors but we need some disambiguation, but I think most people would agree that that is just an ugly looking and needlessly long way to do it. Either way that is the common name that we should use.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:04, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support — JPL has been consistently wrong. For goodness sake, the parent is Category:Physicians by nationality. Yes, lazy Americans often call anybody in the medical field "doctors". Or anybody with a PhD "doctor". But nobody calls them "medical doctor".
 * Your statement here is needless rude, provocative, and just plain wrong. It is not a sign of "laziness" to call people doctors, that is the common usage in the United States. People do say medical docotr. My search for the term, in quotes on google with in America added on without quotes produced over 5 million results. Here is one of the early ones . How this compares with the level of the use of the term physician is harder to analize, but your claim that no one says medical doctor is just plain false.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:06, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The wording "call" and "calls" refer to using the term in everyday spoken conversation. JPL points to an online salary discussion, where MD may well be used to distinguish from DO, JD, LLD, PhD, etc. Wikipedia's policy is WP:COMMONNAME. Presumably, we are not explicitly excluding DO. Moreover, we are not specifically including psychiatrists, who are also MD.
 * I am a bit lost in the abbreviations. What is DO, JD and LLD? Marcocapelle (talk) 13:29, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * MD=Medical Doctor which redirects to Physician. DO=Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine, although nowadays it means training as a general practitioner or family doctor instead of a specialist residency. JD=Juris Doctor (lawyer). LLD=Legum Doctor (usually, professor of law, although many law professors do not have either LLM or LLD).


 * Support as present title is British usage so not appropriate here (and Canada generally does seem to follow American usage; cf "transportation" not "transport") Hugo999 (talk) 10:46, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, the nominator makes a convincing case. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename. "Physicians" is the default for . Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:07, 18 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Deadpool films

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:27, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Deadpool films to Category:Deadpool (film series)
 * Nominator's rationale: Article only contains single sub JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 20:04, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:18, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, but why not upmerge to this one? There is no Deadpool (film series) article, only a redirect, so without being restricted to matching the main page, the WP:NATURALDIS without the parenthetical seems more appropriate. And if said article is ever created, this cat can be speedy renamed at that point.  — 2pou (talk) 17:31, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge as nom. While there is not yet a Deadpool (film series) article, it is tagged as a redirect with possibilities. And I'm surprised, as the Film section is bigger than the main article. It should have been split long ago.
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Nation of Language EPs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:26, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Nation of Language EPs to Category:Nation of Language albums
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge or delete altogether. Beyond just being listed in a discography section, there is no information on any of these EPs in the target article. The redirects might be useful but the category is not. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:41, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 12:40, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:07, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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Mayors of places in the Czech Republic
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 13%23Mayors of places in the Czech Republic

Russian officials in Congress Poland

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Government officials of Congress Poland. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:46, 28 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename Category:Russian officials in Congress Poland to Category:Russian Empire officials in Congress Poland
 * Nominator's rationale in this case we are categorizing people by the government they served, that is the Russian Empire, we are not categorizing them by ethnicity. The new name makes this clearer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:09, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to the simpler Category:Officials in Congress Poland. A glance at the names suggests that many were ethnic Poles.  Congress Poland was part of the Russian Empire, so that the addition of a nationality is redundant.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:35, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Or else Category:Government officials of Congress Poland, in order to align with Category:Government officials. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:31, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:Government officials of Congress Poland, excellent point by Marcocapelle.
 * Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 14:09, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Government officials of Congress Poland. The proposed name is redundant. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:40, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Iryna Bilyk

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:24, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting iryna bilyk


 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. Too little content for an eponymous category. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 18:26, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, a clear case of overcategorzation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:15, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:11, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:List of ethnic enclaves in the Philippine Cities

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 * The result of the discussion was: convert. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:23, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Convert Category:List of ethnic enclaves in the Philippine Cities to article List of ethnic enclaves in Philippine cities
 * Nominator's rationale: Obviously a misplaced draft article. If it is kept, it should be moved to Draft space. —teb728 t c 17:30, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Convert to draft article per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:26, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Convert to draft article per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:12, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Category:Puerto-Rican television talk show hosts

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Puerto-Rican television talk show hosts to Category:Puerto Rican television talk show hosts
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistency with other categories beginning with the words "Puerto Rican". Nicholas0 (talk) 15:35, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per WP:C2C. --Just N. (talk) 19:13, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Jammu

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:21, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Jammu to Category:Jammu Division
 * Nominator's rationale: Propose renaming to avoid confusion with the city of Jammu whose main category is Category:Jammu (city). Soumya-8974 (he) talk contribs subpages 14:39, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename also per WP:C2D, article title is Jammu Division. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:17, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:14, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Degree Colleges in Kashmir

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:21, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Degree Colleges in Kashmir to Category:Degree colleges in Kashmir Division
 * Nominator's rationale: Since this category only list the degree colleges situated in Kashmir Division and not the greater Kashmir region, I suggest renaming it to avoid confusion. Soumya-8974 (he) talk contribs subpages 14:14, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:16, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Houses of scientists in Ukraine

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:20, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Houses of scientists in Ukraine to Category:Houses of Scientists and Category:Organizations based in Ukraine
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article and the parent category is also sparsely populated. The sibling category has been nominated as well, that discussion is still open. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:15, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Support However Category:Houses of Scientists only appears to have 3 articles, one on the concept itself (and is a category right now with 2 subcats). I am not sure this needs a distinct category period.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:16, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge -- The main article House of Scientists suggests that there are lot of them with no articles yet. They appear to have begun in early days of USSR.  Category:Houses of Scientists needs to be populated. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:47, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:UD Granadilla Tenerife Sur players

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:UD Granadilla Tenerife Sur players to Category:UD Granadilla Tenerife players
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D: Per parent article UD Granadilla Tenerife. --SuperJew (talk) 06:38, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 21:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Support GiantSnowman 21:29, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per CFDS C2D. Dutchy45 (talk) 10:56, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Hmlarson (talk) 18:20, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Genocide deniers

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William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:02, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:18, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Armenian Genocide deniers to Category:Deniers of the Armenian genocide
 * Propose renaming Category:Bosnian Genocide deniers to Category:Deniers of the Bosnian genocide
 * Propose renaming Category:Genocide of Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia deniers to Category:Deniers of Serbian genocide in Croatia
 * Propose renaming Category:Japanese war crime deniers to Category:Deniers of Japanese war crimes
 * Nominator's rationale: Alternative proposed in Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 1, closer suggested a group rename as a separate proposal. Having the event name first can cause confusion about the nationality of the deniers, rather than the ethnicity of the victims.


 * Rename per nom, less ambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:26, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * rename The current name is ambiguous enough that it might be thought to refer to the ethnicity of the person who denies the genocide. In this case it is a specific genocide that is being denied, the ethnicity/nationality of the people doing the denying is not relevant to the category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I still think these are OPINIONCATs and ought to be deleted. Among the issues presented is at what point deniers deny. Presumably, by pleading not guilty in various trials, all issues including whether the genocide took place, whether it was a genocide even if it did, etc., are all denied by the defendants and thus put in issue. Some people are, no doubt, notable for belonging to groups espousing denial of these events, and are better categorized there than here; and these need to be purged of people who are perpetrators (also better categorized elsewhere). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:16, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename - I created Category:Bosnian genocide deniers, and if I only knew better at the time, I would name it per nominators suggestion.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  23:21, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * the other Armenian Genocide categories use capital G. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:40, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, article Armenian Genocide uses capital G. I thought we had WP:MOS to avoid this kind of spelling inconsistenties. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom, much better, less ambiguous. --Just N. (talk) 19:20, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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Saint Mary's Redmen football
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:16, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Saint Mary's Cardinals football to Category:Saint Mary's Redmen football
 * Propose renaming Category:Saint Mary's Cardinals football coaches to Category:Saint Mary's Redmen football coaches
 * Propose renaming Category:Saint Mary's Cardinals football players to Category:Saint Mary's Redmen football players
 * Nominator's rationale: The football program at Saint Mary's University of Minnesota was discontinued after the 1954 season when the school's sports teams were still known as the "Redmen". Jweiss11 (talk) 01:21, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nomination. Dmoore5556 (talk) 02:02, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Yet another non-controversial move.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 03:04, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:22, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Cloud and Banner
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:15, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Order of the Cloud and Banner
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT, WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
 * When foreign leaders visit the Republic of China/Taiwan, or vice versa, the Order of the Cloud and Banner is given out as souvenir to commemorate the visit. Dwight D. Eisenhower, Timofey Khryukin, and Andrew Cunningham, 1st Viscount Cunningham of Hyndhope, are not remotely defined by this award. (The award has also been given to Chinese generals, all of whom are already well categorized somewhere under Category:Chinese generals.) This award doesn't seem defining to either group and the recipients are now all listified here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:43, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Background In the past, we've deleted dozens of similar categories for high ranking visitors which are listed right here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:15, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, another obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:11, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete a clear case of overcategorizing by award. The fact that we have been deleting such categories regularly for over 8 years and still have so many getting nominated is problematic.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:12, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:OCAWARD. --Just N. (talk) 19:23, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Morgan Prize winners
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:14, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Morgan Prize winners
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
 * The Morgan Prize is a US$1,200 prize for an undergraduate students doing research in mathematics and I'm sure the award is initially defining for those promising young students. But Wikipedia doesn't have articles on promising young students. By the time these people are notable, the award is no longer defining and only gets mentioned in passing in the education or honours section, for example with Manjul Bhargava, Ciprian Manolescu or any other article you want to click on. The current contents are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:43, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, another obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:11, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete a clear case of overcategorization by award. Some days I wonder if we would not be better off just scrapping all awards categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator's convincing facts. --Just N. (talk) 19:25, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Albums recorded at Abbey Road Studios
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:46, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting albums recorded at abbey road studios


 * Nominator's rationale: I believe an album's recording studio is WP:NOTDEFINING. This nomination was inspired by Articles for deletion/List of recordings made at Abbey Road Studios. This is also a test case, as there are a lot of album location categories. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment I clicked on several of these and, in general, it's mentioned in the infobox and nowhere else. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:48, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I completely agree that where an album was recorded is a non-defining aspect of the album. I believe the creation of this category was how the scheme developed in the first place. Worth noting in the article when properly sourced, but not just because an album was recorded at such-and-such a location. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 00:58, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - normally in this circumstance I'd say listify. Certainly Wikipedia could do with one or the other, either list or category, and IMO a list is the more obvious thing to have. I think this nomination and the one at AFD are confounding each other. Grutness... wha?   02:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - this is almost a textbook case of NOTDEFINING, in my view Spiderone  19:33, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose b/c the sound engineering personalities & machines and therefor the chosen studio is clearly defining for an album's quality! I'm a member of WikiProject Record Labels. --Just N. (talk) 19:29, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete in this Instance If there is a unique personality from this studio, it doesn't seem to be conveyed in the articles. I don't assume every recording studio is non-defining as some had distinct sounds or genres but this one seems like a general purpose rental. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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