Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 24



Category:Extended centaurs

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Centaurs (minor planets) and Category:Trans-Neptunian objects, but in light of the result of the discussion immediately below this one, merge to Category:Centaurs (small Solar System bodies) and Category:Trans-Neptunian objects. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:09, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Extended centaurs to Category:Trans-Neptunian centaurs
 * Nominator's rationale: This category was created as "Ejected Centaurs", and moved without discussion without formal discussion to "extended centaurs". Centaurs are, in non-technical language, things between comets and asteroids. On some definitions centaurs are within Neptune's orbit. The members of this category are considered centaurs by other definitions, even though they are Category:Trans-Neptunian objects. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename. And here I was, trying to imagine a horse with a long body and a man's head. Grutness... wha?   00:32, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, some of the objects in the articles are described as trans-Neptunian objects, others are described as centaurs. If they really are all of the same kind it would be helpful to harmonize the articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:38, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Additional note: Although there was no CFD discussion, and no link in the edit summaries, I have just found that some editors did confer before the move to the current name, see User_talk:Kheider and following. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:22, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * This looks really messy. pinging both discussants in the latter discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * To nominator "Trans-Neptunian centaurs", is this term ever used in literature? A quick google search only gives me two hits of minor importance, while Extended centaur seems well documented. Also ping, just in case. —  R fassbind  – talk  07:15, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment As an add-on to this: The nominator's description seems to indicate that centaurs are a mutually exclusive orbital body to trans-Neptunian objects, and this is simply not the case. Centaurs are simply defined as any object whose average orbit is beyond Jupiter but closest point is within Neptune, and not in an orbital resonance with one of these planets (hence Pluto and the rest of the Plutinos do not count, nor do the Uranus or Neptune trojans) whereas a trans-Neptunian object is just any asteroid whose orbit goes beyond Neptune. All this is to say that they are all still technically centaurs, even if individual articles do not say as such. I've also definitely seen the term "extended centaur" used quite prevalently in scientific literature. Still, I don't have strong opinions one way or another. They are the same thing regardless. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 07:23, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment This classifications is based on the simulated behavior of the orbit when extended over 10 million years. The extended centaurs are non-resonant objects whose closest approach to the Sun is less than the semi-major axis of Neptune (~30 AU) at any time during the simulation. But since creating the category the Minor Planet Center has combined Centaurs and Scattered-Disk Objects into a single generic list making the category much less Wikipedia-friendly. Changing it to "Trans-Neptunian centaurs" might make more sense for people taking a quick glance at a category. This category (the semantics) has driven me crazy for 5 years. -- Kheider (talk) 16:35, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I took more than a quick glance: I read the page history and the talk page, and there was no indication of any discussion anywhere. It would have helped if some clues had at least been left in edit summaries. I only noticed the discussion on your user talk page when I went to give specific notice of this nomination to editors who had worked on the category page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:32, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Based on the above comments, it seems that the intersection between centaurs and Trans-Neptunian objects is not a clearly recognized class of objects. If that is correct, then merge the category to its parents Category:Centaurs (minor planets) and Category:Trans-Neptunian objects. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I do not object to merger, but the Centaurs target should not be that one but the astronomy category (nominated below). I have not looked into whether the member pages also necessarily belong within Category:Damocloids; Kheider, please advise. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:32, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have fixed the merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:44, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Most of the ext-centaurs are already listed under damocloids so I do not see a need to merge the remaining ones. Merging them to Centaurs (minor planets) and Trans-Neptunian objects seem like a good idea. I have not messed with damocloids in about 3 years because I was hoping for a more Wikipedia friendly definition to develop. -- Kheider (talk) 01:41, 30 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Centaurs (minor planets)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Centaurs (minor planets) to Category:Centaurs (small Solar System bodies)
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename, corresponding to centaur (small Solar System body). This could be nominated speedily, WP:C2D, but I am listing it on this page for completeness along with two of its sub-cats. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename to match main article to ease navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:34, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:06, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom to match main article to ease navigation. --Just N. (talk) 10:19, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Politicians from Hopkinton, Rhode Island

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:22, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Politicians from Hopkinton, Rhode Island to Category:People from Hopkinton, Rhode Island
 * Nominator's rationale: Small community (Under 10,000) people with just four entries. In fact this subcategory has more entries than its parent. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 18:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:32, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge but do we need another target reflecting them being politicians? The two I looked at seemed not to need that.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:31, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge we do not need this type of category for 4 people.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:30, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:20, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Pop-folk albums
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 13%23Category:Pop-folk_albums

Category:People from Moreau, New York

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:20, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Moreau, New York to Category:People from Saratoga County, New York
 * Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:08, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Definite maybe I’ll run a search to see how many other people might fit in this category. Peter Flass (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Approve After a search, I only found one other person. Peter Flass (talk) 16:19, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now With no objection to recreating later if it ever gets up to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:28, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per all of the above. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:21, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Movie memes

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:19, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting movie memes


 * Nominator's rationale: The category is somewhat misleading, as it doesn't contain memes themselves, but films or franchises that contain them. Brandmeistertalk  12:59, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete No conceptual objection to the topic, but this is false advertising. - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:54, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above comments, and as being non-defining.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:34, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete The category includes the fims themselves, and not any memes. Dimadick (talk) 12:38, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:22, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Fiction about astronomical locations

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:16, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about the Andromeda Galaxy to Category:Fiction set in the Andromeda Galaxy
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Pluto to Category:Fiction set on Pluto
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about moons to Category:Fiction set on moons
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Vega to Category:Fiction set around Vega


 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about astronomical locations
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about black holes
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about comets
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about Halley's Comet
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about galaxies
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about the Andromeda Galaxy to Category:Fiction set in the Andromeda Galaxy
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about intergalactic travel
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about the Magellanic Clouds to Category:Fiction set in the Magellanic Clouds
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about meteoroids
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about minor planets
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about asteroids
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about asteroid mining
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about main-belt asteroids
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Ceres (dwarf planet) to Category:Fiction set on Ceres (dwarf planet)
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about near-Earth asteroids
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about the Apollo asteroids
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about distant minor planets
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about the Centaurs (minor planets) to Category:Fiction set on centaurs (small Solar System bodies) per centaur (small Solar System body)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Trans-Neptunian objects to Category:Fiction about trans-Neptunian objects (just change to lowercase)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about the Kuiper belt to Category:Fiction set in the Kuiper belt
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about the Oort cloud to Category:Fiction set in the Oort cloud
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about dwarf planets to Category:Fiction set on dwarf planets
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Pluto to Category:Fiction set on Pluto
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about moons to Category:Fiction set on moons
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about the Moon to Category:Fiction set on the Moon
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Mars' moons to Category:Fiction set on Mars' moons
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Deimos (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Deimos (moon)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Phobos (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Phobos (moon)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Jupiter's moons to Category:Fiction set on Jupiter's moons
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Callisto (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Callisto (moon)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Europa (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Europa (moon)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Ganymede (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Ganymede (moon)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Io (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Io (moon)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Saturn's moons to Category:Fiction set on Saturn's moons
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Dione (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Dione (moon)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Hyperion (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Hyperion (moon)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Iapetus (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Iapetus (moon)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Mimas (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Mimas (moon)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Rhea (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Rhea (moon)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Titan (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Titan (moon)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Neptune's moons to Category:Fiction set on Neptune's moons
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Triton (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Triton (moon)
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about nebulae
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about the Crab Nebula
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about the Horsehead Nebula
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about planetary systems
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about the Solar System
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about planets
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about giant planets
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about gas giants
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Jupiter to Category:Fiction set on Jupiter
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Saturn to Category:Fiction set on Saturn
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about ice giants
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Uranus to Category:Fiction set on Uranus
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Neptune to Category:Fiction set on Neptune
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about terrestrial planets
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about desert planets to Category:Fiction set on desert planets
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about ocean planets to Category:Fiction set on ocean planets
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Mercury (planet) to Category:Fiction set on Mercury (planet)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Venus to Category:Fiction set on Venus
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about Earth – subject to separate nomination
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Mars to Category:Fiction set on Mars
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about stars
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about 61 Ursae Majoris to Category:Fiction set around 61 Ursae Majoris
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Aldebaran to Category:Fiction set around Aldebaran
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Algol to Category:Fiction set around Algol
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Arcturus to Category:Fiction set around Arcturus
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Barnard's Star to Category:Fiction set around Barnard's Star
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Beta Hydri to Category:Fiction set around Beta Hydri
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Beta Lyrae to Category:Fiction set around Beta Lyrae
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Betelgeuse to Category:Fiction set around Betelgeuse
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Canopus to Category:Fiction set around Canopus
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Delta Pavonis to Category:Fiction set around Delta Pavonis
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Deneb to Category:Fiction set around Deneb
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Epsilon Eridani to Category:Fiction set around Epsilon Eridani
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Fomalhaut to Category:Fiction set around Fomalhaut
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Gamma Draconis to Category:Fiction set around Gamma Draconis
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Messier 13 to Category:Fiction set around Messier 13
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about neutron stars to Category:Fiction set around neutron stars
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about novae
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Omicron Persei to Category:Fiction set around Omicron Persei
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Polaris to Category:Fiction set around Polaris
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Procyon to Category:Fiction set around Procyon
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Proxima Centauri to Category:Fiction set around Proxima Centauri
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Rigel to Category:Fiction set around Rigel
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Sirius to Category:Fiction set around Sirius
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about the Sun
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about supernovae
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Tau Ceti to Category:Fiction set around Tau Ceti
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Vega to Category:Fiction set around Vega
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Wolf 359 to Category:Fiction set around Wolf 359
 * Propose keeping Category:Fiction about wormholes


 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about the Andromeda Galaxy to Category:Fiction set in the Andromeda Galaxy
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about the Magellanic Clouds to Category:Fiction set in the Magellanic Clouds
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Ceres (dwarf planet) to Category:Fiction set on Ceres (dwarf planet)
 * Category:Fiction about the Centaurs (minor planets) to Category:Fiction set on centaurs (small Solar System bodies)
 * Category:Fiction about Trans-Neptunian objects to Category:Fiction about trans-Neptunian objects
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about the Kuiper belt to Category:Fiction set in the Kuiper belt
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about the Oort cloud to Category:Fiction set in the Oort cloud
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about dwarf planets to Category:Fiction set on dwarf planets
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Pluto to Category:Fiction set on Pluto
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about moons to Category:Fiction set on moons
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about the Moon to Category:Fiction set on the Moon
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Mars' moons to Category:Fiction set on Mars' moons
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Deimos (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Deimos (moon)
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Phobos (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Phobos (moon)
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Jupiter's moons to Category:Fiction set on Jupiter's moons
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Callisto (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Callisto (moon)
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Europa (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Europa (moon)
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Ganymede (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Ganymede (moon)
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Io (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Io (moon)
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Saturn's moons to Category:Fiction set on Saturn's moons
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Dione (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Dione (moon)
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Hyperion (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Hyperion (moon)
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Iapetus (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Iapetus (moon)
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Mimas (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Mimas (moon)
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Rhea (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Rhea (moon)
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Titan (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Titan (moon)
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Neptune's moons to Category:Fiction set on Neptune's moons
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Triton (moon) to Category:Fiction set on Triton (moon)
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Jupiter to Category:Fiction set on Jupiter
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Saturn to Category:Fiction set on Saturn
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Uranus to Category:Fiction set on Uranus
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Neptune to Category:Fiction set on Neptune
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about desert planets to Category:Fiction set on desert planets
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about ocean planets to Category:Fiction set on ocean planets
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Mercury (planet) to Category:Fiction set on Mercury (planet)
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Venus to Category:Fiction set on Venus
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Mars to Category:Fiction set on Mars
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about 61 Ursae Majoris to Category:Fiction set around 61 Ursae Majoris
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Aldebaran to Category:Fiction set around Aldebaran
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Algol to Category:Fiction set around Algol
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Arcturus to Category:Fiction set around Arcturus
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Barnard's Star to Category:Fiction set around Barnard's Star
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Beta Hydri to Category:Fiction set around Beta Hydri
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Beta Lyrae to Category:Fiction set around Beta Lyrae
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Betelgeuse to Category:Fiction set around Betelgeuse
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Canopus to Category:Fiction set around Canopus
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Delta Pavonis to Category:Fiction set around Delta Pavonis
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Deneb to Category:Fiction set around Deneb
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Epsilon Eridani to Category:Fiction set around Epsilon Eridani
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Fomalhaut to Category:Fiction set around Fomalhaut
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Gamma Draconis to Category:Fiction set around Gamma Draconis
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Messier 13 to Category:Fiction set around Messier 13
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about neutron stars to Category:Fiction set around neutron stars
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Omicron Persei to Category:Fiction set around Omicron Persei
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Polaris to Category:Fiction set around Polaris
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Procyon to Category:Fiction set around Procyon
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Proxima Centauri to Category:Fiction set around Proxima Centauri
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Rigel to Category:Fiction set around Rigel
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Sirius to Category:Fiction set around Sirius
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Tau Ceti to Category:Fiction set around Tau Ceti
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Vega to Category:Fiction set around Vega
 * REDIRECT Category:Fiction about Wolf 359 to Category:Fiction set around Wolf 359

This nomination revisits Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_November_23, when Category:Astronomical locations in fiction was renamed to Category:Fiction about astronomical locations, and all its subcats likewise. A Speedy renomination was opposed partly on the grounds that the locations are the settings rather than the topics of the fiction concerned. This is therefore a combined nomination to deal with all the similar categories. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:53, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Category:Fiction about the Centaurs (minor planets) to Category:Fiction about centaurs (minor planets) – C2A, not capitalised in topic article, and does not need "the". – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:59, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't this be renamed to or  after the main article? Armbrust The Homunculus 19:12, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It may instead be CfD'd per WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:58, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a fresh speedy nomination would be appropriate, to also rename the parent Category:Centaurs (minor planets).
 * IMHO deletion is not called for, as centaurs/minor planetoids are stated as the settings. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:52, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * A setting is not "about"; perhaps Category:Fiction set on centaurs (small Solar System bodies) might work but only the last article of the four clearly qualifies for that. By the way, I oppose neither speedy decapitalization nor speedy alt disambiguation. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:13, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You make a good point, and I wonder if user:LaundryPizza03's group nomination at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_November_23 should be revisited for further renaming along those lines. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:51, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You are right, in retrospect it should have been a split between "about" and "set" all the way. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I expect "set on" would be sufficient in most cases. Mind you, for some locations, different wording would be needed; "set around" stars, "set in" galaxies?
 * As for the member pages, Destiny 2 has the centaur Nessus as one of 4 settings; the sequel presumably also uses it; The Ganymede Club mentions colonies on small planetoids; and as you say Pilot (short story) is fully set on Chiron. IMHO these are all good enough to stay in a "set on" category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

pinging other participants in previous discussion. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:52, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment The "set around" thing looks fishy and borders WP:NONDEFINING. If anything, this should be "set on", but then the plots should be checked if it's indeed so. Brandmeistertalk  13:08, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No fiction is set on a star - the stories are set on planets orbiting a star, etc. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:19, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I now see that many parent articles for these are in "Foo in fiction" format: Betelgeuse in fiction, Aldebaran in fiction, Vega in fiction, Fomalhaut in fiction, Sirius in fiction, Rigel in fiction, etc. As such, that qualifies for speedy WP:C2D. Brandmeistertalk  13:36, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't, because those are the former names from which they were moved in the previous CFD linked above. Those names were considered not defining. Setting or "fiction about.." is more clearly defining. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:43, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support-ish per nom. I think this would be an improvement, but I think an even better one would be to upmerge these back to "Vega in fiction", etc. though the original mass rename was an improvement itself, over "Vega in fiction", etc.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:45, 24 December 2020 (UTC); revised:  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:32, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 'Vega in fiction' suggests that it is fiction about Vega which is clearly not the case. Note that all of these are borderline WP:NONDEF cases anyway, there is hardly any reference to geography in this type of fiction and the main feature is that they are set in space. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:05, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * "Foo in fiction" just means that foo is mentioned or referenced there, not necessarily that it's about Foo. "In" has more general meaning, "about" is more specific. But I'm neutral here anyway. Brandmeistertalk  08:30, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Right! And in the previous round there was a counter-argument of sorts that militated against "Foo in fiction" for such cases: "There is precedent for renaming this type of category to prevent misuse for minor references." I.e., people will stick things in these categories if these astro-places were even passingly mentioned.  So, while I think the proposal is a bit clearer and more narrowing than the current names, reverting to "in ficton" would be a mistake twice over (two different groups would misuse the category two different ways). Sorry I didn't think that through sufficiently on the first pass. I'll blame it on Xmas Eve. PS: I don't disagree with the point that some of these may be NONDEF, but we might have to approach this on a case-by-case basis when it comes to deletion.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:32, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Tentative support Makes sense to turn into setting categories. Though in some cases, the fiction concerns aliens from these locations. Should Canopus be disambiguated from fictional depictions of  Canopus, Egypt? Dimadick (talk) 12:47, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:24, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fiction about Earth

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about Earth to Category:UNKNOWN
 * Nominator's rationale: This one is worth reconsidering separately. It includes subcats for each continent in fiction, along with other aspects. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:51, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Category:Earth in fiction could be the target (in line with similar parent articles Mars in fiction, Mercury in fiction and Venus in fiction), but then for consistency the entire category tree up to Category:Fiction about astronomical locations should be moved to "Foo in fiction" format (per Category:Locations in fiction). Brandmeistertalk   14:46, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep for now, it contains subcategories like Category:Africa in fiction which should be addressed before we change this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:17, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as-is. As noted in the larger related CfR above, "Foo in fiction" as a category name for an astronomical body has a problem: one group of editors will think it means only fiction with that body as a central focus (which is also what the current name conveys), while another group will think it means any passing mention. As I said in the prevoius CfR on this stuff a month ago: "I'm not sure there is any utility at all in the one about Earth. That would seem (broadly interpreted anyway) to account for all fiction ever, that did not take place in outer space or in a fantasy alternative world. Even narrowly interpreted to require considerable treatment of Earth as an astronomical body, that would still include the vast majority of science fiction ever written, probably."  That applies especially to "Category:Earth in fiction".  I was originally arguing that it also applied to the current name, but this category has largely been repurposed to hold subcats like continent ones. While the above larger CfR makes great sense for most cases, it would fail badly for "Category:Fiction set on earth", which would be the ultimate case of what I was taking about in the old CfR. So, this is one case where our preference for consistent category names has to take an IAR/COMMONSENSE break and permit a divergence that will be too confusing if we do not. There's much precedent for this, e.g. when things have names like "English billiards", and we have Category:Snooker players, and Category:Pool players, and Category:Carom billiards players, which have to diverge to Category:Players of English billiards to avoid confusion with a "Category:Billiards players from England".  There are many clarity exceptions like this.  Earth, from a fiction-setting standpoint, is completely unlike all the other categories nominated above, because almost all fiction is set here.  Side proposal: We could create an additional subcategory, to "net" a certain class of sci-fi, e.g. "Category:Earth as a astronomical body in fiction", or "Category:Fiction about Earth as an astronomical body", or something like that, then make Category:Fiction about Earth a container category that must diffuse. I think this would take care of all of the "loose" articles presently in the category, except for a couple that already have another subcategory to go into (e.g. Earth-Two belongs in the subcat Category:Counter-Earths, I would think).
 * Split to Category:Fiction set on Earth and Category:Fiction set around Earth to match the parallel nomination. There are plenty "set on" (such as Category:Novels set on the Moon), and Category:Novels set in outer space, but no good category for space "around" them. William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:55, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as-is There is no way to change the title without changing its scope. Dimadick (talk) 12:50, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. --Just N. (talk) 10:26, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:FT-Class articles
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Universities by city and district in Sri Lanka

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:17, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Batticaloa to Category:Education in Batticaloa and Category:Universities and colleges in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Jaffna to Category:Education in Jaffna and Category:Universities and colleges in Northern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Kelaniya to Category:Education in Kelaniya and Category:Universities and colleges in Western Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Kuliyapitiya to Category:Education in Kuliyapitiya and Category:Universities and colleges in North Western Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Matara, Sri Lanka to Category:Education in Matara, Sri Lanka and Category:Universities and colleges in Southern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Moratuwa to Category:Education in Moratuwa and Category:Universities and colleges in Colombo District
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Peradeniya to Category:Education in Peradeniya and Category:Universities and colleges in Colombo District and Category:Universities and colleges in Central Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Sri Jayawardenepura Kotte to Category:Education in Sri Jayawardenepura Kotte and Category:Universities and colleges in Colombo District
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Trincomalee to Category:Education in Trincomalee and Category:Universities and colleges in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Vavuniya to Category:Education in Vavuniya and Category:Universities and colleges in Northern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Ampara District to Category:Education in Ampara District and Category:Universities and colleges in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Batticaloa District to Category:Education in Batticaloa District and Category:Universities and colleges in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Galle District to Category:Education in Galle District and Category:Universities and colleges in Southern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Gampaha District‎ to Category:Education in Gampaha District and Category:Universities and colleges in Western Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Jaffna District to Category:Education in Jaffna District and Category:Universities and colleges in Northern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Kandy District to Category:Education in Kandy District and Category:Universities and colleges in Central Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Kurunegala District to Category:Education in Kurunegala District and Category:Universities and colleges in North Western Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Matara District to Category:Education in Matara District and Category:Universities and colleges in Southern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Trincomalee District to Category:Education in Trincomalee District and Category:Universities and colleges in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Vavuniya District to Category:Education in Vavuniya District and Category:Universities and colleges in Northern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Propose deleting
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Sri Lanka by city
 * Category:Universities and colleges in Sri Lanka by district‎
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only one or two universities / colleges in each of these cities / districts. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge All No conceptual objection to this degree of diffusion IF the contents justify it. They don't and growth potential is limited. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:12, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think there should be further merges as the nom as it stands will leave eg Category:Universities and colleges in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka empty (if this is intended, the category should be tagged and listed above). Oculi (talk) 14:13, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That is a fair point, I have added the provincial merge targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:38, 25 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Support (with the provincial target). This is a clear case of over-diffusion, whose solutuon is upmerging.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:34, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:29, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Suicide by period

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming
 * Category:Suicide by period to Category:Suicides by period
 * Category:Suicide by decade to Category:Suicides by decade
 * Category:Suicide by year to Category:Suicides by year
 * Category:Suicide in the 1800s to Category:1800s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1830s to Category:1830s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1840s to Category:1840s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1850s to Category:1850s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1860s to Category:1860s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1870s to Category:1870s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1880s to Category:1880s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1890s to Category:1890s suicides


 * Category:Suicide in the 1900s to Category:1900s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1910s to Category:1910s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1920s to Category:1920s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1930s to Category:1930s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1940s to Category:1940s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1950s to Category:1950s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1960s to Category:1960s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1970s to Category:1970s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1980s to Category:1980s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 1990s to Category:1990s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 2000s to Category:2000s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 2010s to Category:2010s suicides
 * Category:Suicide in the 2020s to Category:2020s suicides


 * Category:Suicide in 1941 to Category:1941 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1944 to Category:1944 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1945 to Category:1945 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1946 to Category:1946 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1965 to Category:1965 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1967 to Category:1967 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1972 to Category:1972 suicides

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 * Category:Suicide in 1974 to Category:1974 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1975 to Category:1975 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1976 to Category:1976 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1977 to Category:1977 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1978 to Category:1978 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1979 to Category:1979 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1980 to Category:1980 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1981 to Category:1981 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1982 to Category:1982 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1983 to Category:1983 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1984 to Category:1984 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1985 to Category:1985 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1986 to Category:1986 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1987 to Category:1987 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1988 to Category:1988 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1989 to Category:1989 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1990 to Category:1990 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1991 to Category:1991 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1992 to Category:1992 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1993 to Category:1993 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1994 to Category:1994 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1995 to Category:1995 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1996 to Category:1996 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1997 to Category:1997 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1998 to Category:1998 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 1999 to Category:1999 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2000 to Category:2000 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2001 to Category:2001 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2002 to Category:2002 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2003 to Category:2003 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2004 to Category:2004 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2005 to Category:2005 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2006 to Category:2006 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2007 to Category:2007 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2008 to Category:2008 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2009 to Category:2009 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2010 to Category:2010 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2011 to Category:2011 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2012 to Category:2012 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2013 to Category:2013 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2014 to Category:2014 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2015 to Category:2015 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2016 to Category:2016 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2017 to Category:2017 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2018 to Category:2018 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2019 to Category:2019 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2020 to Category:2020 suicides
 * Category:Suicide in 2020 to Category:2020 suicides


 * Nominator's rationale: rename, these are set categories, almost without exception they contain articles about individual suicides. Note that I created a few "older" (pre-1940 and 1950s) decade categories just now, but the larger part of the tree already existed. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:42, 24 December 2020 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:06, 24 December 2020 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 21:05, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename All Per WP:SETCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:11, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename — wow, that was a lot of work! But do we really need the "by decade" categories? Simpler to have "by year", then group the years into centuries, without the double tags on each article. Or we need to have better tagging instructions, so that they are only "by year" for larger categories or "by decade" for smaller ones, with both grouped into centuries.
 * That is food for a next discussion. I think at least we should diffuse all 20th century decade categories to years. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:19, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree. I've started the diffusing from most recent decade (1970s).
 * Done diffusing mixed decades/years 1940s–1970s by hand. All the years before that are in decades only, so no hand checking needed. Better to handle after the rename is completed.
 * Thanks! At second thought it may be too soon to diffuse the pre-1940 pre-1920 decade categories as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:18, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile I have diffused the 1930s and 1920s after all. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:47, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename - I don't share the objection to 'decades' (which has been made successfully elsewhere); this, as a subcategory of, should follow the (exemplary) structure of Category:Deaths by period. Oculi (talk) 14:25, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Simpler titles tend to aid navigation. Dimadick (talk) 12:52, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and commentary of Dimadick|. --Just N. (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:American scientists of Italian descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:10, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american scientists of italian descent


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEGRS. I am quite skeptical that being "of Italian descent" is a WP:DEFINING feature of the American scientists in this category. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 07:55, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 21:11, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Neutral. I am usually extremely sceptical towards intersections of ethnicity and occupation, but this one may actually pass the bar set in WP:OCEGRS. See e.g. the "ISSNAF" website for context. It is certainly more notable than most siblings in and, a lot of which could be nominated for deletion. Place Clichy (talk) 10:02, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete — all those I've checked are at least 2nd generation (some more). ISSNAF is explicitly for 1st generation. Agree about those other categories, too.... But it is so easy to create these intersection categories, and so hard to delete them. A neverending process.
 * Delete as a trivial intersection category. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:40, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:32, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Musicians who committed suicide

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:08, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting musicians who committed suicide


 * Propose deleting musicians who committed suicide by nationality


 * Propose deleting american musicians who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting australian musicians who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting british musicians who committed suicide


 * Propose deleting german musicians who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting japanese musicians who committed suicide


 * Propose deleting russian musicians who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting south korean musicians who committed suicide


 * Propose deleting swedish musicians who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting classical musicians who committed suicide


 * Propose deleting composers who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting conductors (music) who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting jazz musicians who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting rock musicians who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting singers who committed suicide‎


 * Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death, even though the death itself may have been notable.


 * Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 29
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 12
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 21
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 22
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 22
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 22
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 23
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 23
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 23
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 19:10, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete We can categorize by each, but the intersection of the two does not seem defining. Generally, they are notable for being singers and, since they already have an article, their death is defining. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:10, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: there's also a potential can of worms here... Nick Drake died from an overdose of prescription drugs, but the coroner was about the only person who believed it was a suicide, and not an accidental overdose. So to have a category explicitly stating that he died by suicide would not necessarily be correct... if kept, it should be xxxx musicians ruled to have died by suicide. Richard3120 (talk) 14:01, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Splendid, by deleting we avoid cans of worms. Thanks.


 * Keep I don't see this as trivial, and the sources cover it.Dimadick (talk) 12:55, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:33, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of the White Double Cross

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:07, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Order of the White Double Cross
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Grand Crosses of the Order of the White Double Cross‎
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Grand Officers of the Order of the White Double Cross
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Commanders of the Order of the White Double Cross
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
 * When foreign leaders visit Slovakia, or vice versa, the Order of the White Double Cross is given out as souvenir to commemorate the visit. Harald V of Norway, Margrethe II of Denmark, and Guillaume, Hereditary Grand Duke of Luxembourg, are not remotely defined by this award. (There are a handful of Slovak winners—1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6—but all of their articles mention the award in passing with other honours so it's not defining for them either.) There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Background In the past, we've deleted dozens of similar categories for high ranking visitors and those nominations are listed right here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, again an obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete this is a clear example of OCAWARD.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:32, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:34, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Prime Minister's Medal of Appreciation

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:05, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Prime Minister's Medal of Appreciation
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
 * The Prime Minister's Medal of Appreciation is an award that given by the Prime Minister of Jamaica that falls outside of the Jamaican Honours System. The PMs must be big fans of boxing since 3 of the 4 recipients here are professional boxers who are already under Category:Jamaican boxers. Within the articles, 1 mentions this award in passing while 3 don't mention it at all so it doesn't seem defining. There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, again an obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete this is over categorization by award.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:33, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:OCAWARD. --Just N. (talk) 10:35, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fortified frontiers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fortified frontiers to Category:Border barriers
 * Nominator's rationale: Identical scope for this category and its parent, as frontier is understood to mean border, and barrier implies some sort of fortification. What is a border barrier that is not fortified? Place Clichy (talk) 00:15, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:51, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge The main article is border barrier not fortified frontier. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:41, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge — but they are both so nicely alliterative!
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge -- They seem to be substantially the same thing. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:39, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:36, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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