Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 27



Category:Tropical cyclone effects by region

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Lists of tropical cyclones by area. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:20, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Tropical cyclone effects by region to Category:Tropical cyclone impact by region
 * Nominator's rationale: Looks like creator was unaware of ?? Le Deluge (talk) 23:53, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 00:39, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge — looks like the creator didn't know about CfR. The articles are all "Effects of" and the subcategories are "Effects of". So let's match them.
 * Merge or reverse merge, clearly overlapping scope. Note that the top category is styled Category:Consequences of events and we have both Impact and Effects categories in that tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Category:Tropical Cyclone effects by Region, because a draft related to it is also made and the name seems appropriate. Dam222 🌋 (talk) 07:40, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Please see this category, this category is also the same.Category:Lists of tropical cyclones by area Dam222 🌋 (talk) 12:51, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Correct, merge to Category:Lists of tropical cyclones by area because Category:Tropical cyclone effects by region contains articles about cyclones, not articles about effects or impact. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:29, 28 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Lists of tropical cyclones by area as proposed by Marcocapelle. --Just N. (talk) 11:42, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Architects of the Liturgical Movement in the UK

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:21, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Architects of the Liturgical Movement in the UK to Category:Architects of the Liturgical Movement
 * Nominator's rationale: I don't have any strong views on what this should be called, it's intended as a daughter of but we don't have a category for the Liturgical Movement, the closest we have is . Obviously we never abbreviate "UK" in categories, so it could be "British architects of the Liturgical Movement" but beyond that I'm open to views? But we don't need the "British" or "UK" in there at all given that there's no "global" parent category. Le Deluge (talk) 23:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment, Liturgical Movement also focuses entirely on the UK. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 28 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Sportspeople who committed suicide

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:23, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting sportspeople who committed suicide


 * Propose deleting sports competitors who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting competitors in athletics who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting australian rules footballers who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting baseball players who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting basketball players who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting chess players who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting cricketers who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting cyclists who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting players of american football who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting association football players who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting go players who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting golfers who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting gymnasts who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting ice hockey players who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting martial artists who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting boxers who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting judoka who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting wrestlers who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting rugby league players who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting rugby union players who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting tennis players who committed suicide‎


 * Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. There may have been many years between the occupation and the suicide, making the link even weaker.


 * Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 29
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 12
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 22:
 * Propose deleting motorsport competitors who committed suicide‎


 * Propose deleting racing drivers who committed suicide‎


 * Comment: what is the qualitative difference between "Sportspeople", "Sports competitors", and "Competitors in athletics"?
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 23:15, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sportspeople are people involved in sport (including referees etc.). Sports competitors are those who compete in sport. Competitors in athletics are those who compete in the sport of athletics. SFB 01:38, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete The intersection is not defining and they are already in other athlete and suicide cats. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:23, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Most of them should be deleted, but at least for american football players and wrestlers, there should be further consideration, as these two sports have a correlation with higher suicide risk.--JTCEPB (talk) 03:18, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. If there is (or was) a great interest in any of these, then there would be an article about them, even if that was just, eg List of wrestlers who have committed suicide, otherwise the intersection seems non-defining. Nigej (talk) 11:48, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It is not good practice to take lack of an existing article as proof there is no interest. This is a conservative interpretation of how Wikipedia is built. Often important and useful articles have not been written yet simply because people haven't thought of it yet, or haven't had the time. For example, for years and years Wikipedia had no article on the 100 metres at the Olympics, yet we all understand that is a notable topic and it now gets hundreds of views a day. SFB 01:43, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Rikster2 (talk) 12:44, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 17:40, 28 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete after upmerging any missing from parent cats. GiantSnowman 17:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Listify This is perfectly useful material for a list, thus listify is the superior option for this than delete. There are not too many entries here so List of sportspeople who committed suicide seems like a valid target list to create as a result of this. Suicides of sportspeople is a noted phenomenon and these is much literature on the subject, both lay and scientific (example). To say the intersection of sport and suicide is trivial is to say that you have not done basic research to ascertain if there is a link. SFB 01:38, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * If you are volunteering to create a list, just go for it. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:50, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't see this as trivial, and the sources cover it. Dimadick (talk) 12:21, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * What sources? No main article for any of these categories. Are all sportspeople expected to commit suicide?


 * Delete We shouldn't be glorifying suicide. Warren Platts (talk) 11:49, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I wonder why you think that neutrally-written category titles on Wikipedia are "glorifying suicide". Lettlerhello • contribs 20:32, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Trivial. Lettlerhello • contribs 20:32, 1 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Italian language outside Italy

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Italian language outside Italy to Category:Geographical distribution of the Italian language
 * Nominator's rationale: This is the standard naming for these categories. ★Trekker (talk) 18:29, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 28 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:House of Leuven

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge; do not rename to "Reginarids". Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:40, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:House of Leuven to Category:House of Reginar -> Category:Reginarids
 * Propose merging Category:Burial sites of the House of Leuven to Category:Burial sites of the House of Reginar -> Category:Burial sites of the Reginarids
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, two different names for apparently the same house. House of Leuven redirects to Reginarids, the counts and dukes in this category are said to be Reginarids. Note that the target is nominated for speedy renaming to Category:Reginarids per C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:56, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Support merger to Reginar, but oppose Reginarids, which I regard as highly obscure. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:05, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support We should follow the lead of the article space. I would prefer "House of Reginar" but that's an issue for an WP:RM. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:25, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Same scope, though I would prefer the name "House of Reginar". Dimadick (talk) 12:23, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Update meanwhile Category:House of Reginar -> Category:Reginarids has been opposed for speedy renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:22, 30 December 2020 (UTC)


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Mayors of places in West Virginia

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:19, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Elkins, West Virginia to Category:Mayors of places in West Virginia and Category:People from Elkins, West Virginia
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Lewisburg, West Virginia to Category:Mayors of places in West Virginia and Category:People from Lewisburg, West Virginia
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Richwood, West Virginia to Category:Mayors of places in West Virginia and Category:People from Richwood, West Virginia
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Romney, West Virginia to Category:Mayors of places in West Virginia and Category:People from Romney, West Virginia
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, just one, two or three articles in each of these categories and they are not part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:27, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now These locations would typically have had more than 5 mayors but most would be non-notable. No objection to recreating any if they ever get to 5+ article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:27, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:47, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Death of Sohrabuddin Sheikh

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:18, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting death of sohrabuddin sheikh


 * Nominator's rationale: violates WP:SMALL,WP:OCEPON ChunnuBhai (talk) 13:25, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, it is also a case of WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:47, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I the creator support deletion for reasons given.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  17:35, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


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Protestant congregations established in the 17th-20th century

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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose manually merging Category:Protestant congregations established in the 17th century‎ to Category:17th-century Protestant churches‎
 * Propose manually merging Category:Protestant congregations established in the 18th century‎ to Category:18th-century Protestant churches‎
 * Propose manually merging Category:Protestant congregations established in the 19th century‎ to Category:19th-century Protestant churches‎
 * Propose manually merging Category:Protestant congregations established in the 20th century‎ to Category:20th-century Protestant churches‎
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, largely overlapping scope. A manual merge is needed because the articles in the Protestant congregations categories may already be in a denominational subcat of churches. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:40, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:57, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * There is a problem with this, as to churches that have been rebuilt. Instead Category:Protestant churches built in the 17th century‎  and Category:Protestant churches founded in the 17th century‎ (with headnote that it is for churches not using their original building).  This will have to be done manually.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:12, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support — the nomination already says "manually".
 * Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:49, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Protestant congregations established in the 16th century

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 * The result of the discussion was: split. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:12, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Protestant congregations established in the 16th century‎ to Category:Lutheran churches converted from Roman Catholicism‎, Category:Protestant churches converted from Roman Catholicism‎ and Category:16th-century Protestant churches.
 * Nominator's rationale: in contrast to the four sibling categories nominated above, this category mostly concerns Catholic churches converted to Lutheranism, or Protestantism in general, for which we already have appropriate categories. But there also are a few entirely new Protestant churches (for which we already have a category as well), e.g. Haberberg Church. These are very different situations and it does not make sense to lump them together in one category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:40, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose -- I do not think this works. The congregation will not have changed (save its denomination) at the reformation.  We have churches built in (say) 1330; reformed in (say) 1525; rebuilt in (say) 1710.  Save in cases where the Catholic church was monastic (which adds more issues), the church community worshipping in the church will have had a continuous existence since 1330, though only protestant since 1525, and in a building built in 1710.  Where a new church was established for the first time - many churches in America and dissenting churches in England, the community and the building are of much the same date.  However in some cases history is rather more complicated.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:23, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly because of all these issues, the nomination says "split" instead of "merge". Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:56, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support — well done! This will mark the change in denomination, very notable. We already have "yyyy constructed" categories for buildings, that handle every "rebuilt" objection. When I was visiting distant relatives in Scotland, it was a matter of pride that they'd actually taken down a church building, numbered stone by stone, and rebuilt it in a row with other churches. It was also a matter of pride that they are all buried together in a cemetary near Macduff's tower from Shakespeare. Fought centuries of religious wars to arrive at a state of grace. Let's not perpetuate that here.
 * Support This appears to better reflect their denominational histories. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:26, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Tour de France cyclists

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete and reparent the subcategories as indicated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:12, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Tour de France cyclists and reparent the subcategories to Category:Tour de France people
 * Propose deleting Category:Vuelta a España cyclists and reparent the subcategories to Category:Vuelta a España
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:PERFCAT. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion about Giro_d'Italia_cyclists. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:01, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * pinging contributors to beforementioned discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:03, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Winning is absolutely defining, participating is not and the members are already well grouped under other cycling cats. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:05, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:PERFCAT and nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:08, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:PERFCAT and nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:51, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Two-thousanders of Macedonia

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:06, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Two-thousanders of Macedonia to Category:Two-thousanders of North Macedonia
 * Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed. SeriousCherno (talk) 09:22, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Oculi (talk) 15:00, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. The current name would imply that the scope is the entire region of Macedonia, covering several countries. Dimadick (talk) 12:25, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. even speedy if possible. --Just N. (talk) 11:53, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Southwestern Region, Macedonia geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Southwestern Region, Macedonia geography stubs to Category:Southwestern Region, North Macedonia geography stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed. SeriousCherno (talk) 09:22, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. This is a speedy (WP:C2C) per Category:North Macedonia geography stubs. Oculi (talk) 14:57, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:53, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Southeastern Region, Macedonia geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:06, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Southeastern Region, Macedonia geography stubs to Category:Southeastern Region, North Macedonia geography stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed. SeriousCherno (talk) 09:21, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. This is a speedy (WP:C2C) per Category:North Macedonia geography stubs. Oculi (talk) 14:58, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:54, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:People from Kratovo, Macedonia

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:03, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People from Kratovo, Macedonia to Category:People from Kratovo, North Macedonia
 * Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed. SeriousCherno (talk) 09:21, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. This is a speedy (WP:C2D) per Kratovo, North Macedonia. Oculi (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:54, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Northeastern Region, Macedonia geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Northeastern Region, Macedonia geography stubs to Category:Northeastern Region, North Macedonia geography stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed. SeriousCherno (talk) 09:20, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. This is a speedy (WP:C2C) per Category:North Macedonia geography stubs. Oculi (talk) 14:58, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Eastern Region, Macedonia geography stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:59, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Eastern Region, Macedonia geography stubs to Category:Eastern Region, North Macedonia geography stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed. SeriousCherno (talk) 09:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. This is a speedy (WP:C2C) per Category:North Macedonia geography stubs. Oculi (talk) 14:58, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom and WP:C2C. --Just N. (talk) 11:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Kratovo, Macedonia
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Kratovo, Macedonia to Category:Kratovo, North Macedonia
 * Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed. SeriousCherno (talk) 09:18, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. This is a speedy (WP:C2D) per Kratovo, North Macedonia. Oculi (talk) 14:52, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Organizations in 2000
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting organizations in 2000


 * Nominator's rationale: Too vague to be a useful category, among other problems. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 05:13, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete as a duplicate of Category:Organizations established in 2000. Besides the only article in the category is about an organization established in 1985 so that does not even belong here. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as G5, user(s) who created this category is/are likely (a) sock puppet(s) of User:Kamal avatar, who has socked multiple times and whose sock puppets have blocks on multiple projects, including English Wikipedia. They also seem to be evading a global lock, their sock Program99 has one right now. Also it seems that they are abusing Phabricator too. Opened SPI at Sockpuppet investigations/Kamal avatar. <b style="background:#000;color:#FFF;padding:1px;">GMX</b><b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:3px;vertical-align:-0.15em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">ping!</b> 23:52, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Virtually empty category, and poorly named. Dimadick (talk) 12:27, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:57, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Wikisource Administrators
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:56, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikisource administrators


 * Nominator's rationale: None of the users in this category are actually administrators on any wikisource. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:58, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete as G5, user(s) who created this category is/are likely (a) sock puppet(s) of User:Kamal avatar, who has socked multiple times and whose sock puppets have blocks on multiple projects, including English Wikipedia. They also seem to be evading a global lock, their sock Program99 has one right now. Also it seems that they are abusing Phabricator too. Opened SPI at Sockpuppet investigations/Kamal avatar. <b style="background:#000;color:#FFF;padding:1px;">GMX</b><b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:3px;vertical-align:-0.15em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">ping!</b> 23:52, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as G6 - duplicate of Le Deluge (talk) 18:24, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as G6 - duplicate of . --Just N. (talk) 11:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as G6 - duplicate of . - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:33, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Patriotic War, 1st class
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Order of the Patriotic War, 1st class
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Order of the Patriotic War, 2nd class
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD & WP:OVERLAPCAT)
 * Over a nine million of these awards were given out according to the main article, Order of the Patriotic War. The award was a Soviet medal for World War II (aka "the Patriotic War") that eventually became a campaign medal for every participant. Usually I suggest listifying non-notable awards, but this is too large and the contents would largely overlap with Category:Soviet military personnel of World War II anyway. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:02, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, another obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. Nigej (talk) 21:47, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:59, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Warsaw Cross of the Uprising
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:09, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Listifying & Upmerging Category:Recipients of the Warsaw Cross of the Uprising to Category:Warsaw Uprising insurgents
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
 * We normally don't categorize military people by individual battles because the combatants are already in a military category but Category:Warsaw Uprising insurgents is a worthwhile exception since most of the local combatants in the 1944 Warsaw Uprising were not in a formal military and their participation was clearly defining. What is not defining is also getting the Warsaw Uprising Cross as a campaign medal decades later for that same participation. There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:02, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge, another obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep separate - This is an award specific to Poland for those in a specific historical event. In Poland, this is defining and not all combatants have received this award. (It also complements existing, matching categories for recipients of this award in the Korean, Polish, Russian, Taraškievica, and Ukrainian-language Wikis). Scanlan (talk) 01:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The stated purpose of the award was for all those who "took an active part" which is a campaign medal and, in practice, it appears to have been broadly issued amongst the small subset of combatants who lived into the 1980s and 1990s, with some posthumous exceptions. - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:12, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. There is nothing about the award that makes it more restrictive than all participants still alive, which is not enough for us to want to categorize seperately on.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:11, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


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