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Category:New Radiant SC players

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename for now. If the article moves to New Radiant SC then this and the related categories that were mentioned can be moved. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:43, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:New Radiant SC players to Category:New Radiant S.C. players
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D: Per parent article New Radiant S.C.. SuperJew (talk) 23:44, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 12:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose on basis that the parent article needs to be moved back to New Radiant SC to match naming convention in . GiantSnowman 12:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I have no problem with that move either, as long as it's consistent. Please note that would mean that we also need to move Category:New Radiant S.C. seasons, Category:New Radiant S.C., Category:New Radiant S.C. templates, Template:New Radiant S.C. seasons, 2010 New Radiant S.C. season, 2011 New Radiant S.C. season, 2012 New Radiant S.C. season, 2013 New Radiant S.C. season, 2014 New Radiant S.C. season, 2015 New Radiant S.C. season, 2016 New Radiant S.C. season per the correct club name. --SuperJew (talk) 06:35, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename. The correct name is the correct name. If they call it "S.C." Wikipedia should; if the others use "SC" then we should use that for them. Arbitrarily changing one or the other "to match naming convention" is a particularly insidious form of WP:OR. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:37, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Hong Kong Pegasus FC

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:23, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hong Kong Pegasus FC to Category:TSW Pegasus FC
 * Propose renaming Category:Hong Kong Pegasus FC managers to Category:TSW Pegasus FC managers
 * Propose renaming Category:Hong Kong Pegasus FC navigational boxes‎ to Category:TSW Pegasus FC navigational boxes‎
 * Propose renaming Category:Hong Kong Pegasus FC players to Category:TSW Pegasus FC players
 * Propose renaming Category:Hong Kong Pegasus FC seasons to Category:TSW Pegasus FC seasons
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D: Name of club changed as per parent article TSW Pegasus FC. SuperJew (talk) 23:44, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 12:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per CFDS C2D, match parent article name. GiantSnowman 12:30, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Ballarat Red Devils players

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:22, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ballarat Red Devils players to Category:Ballarat City FC players
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D: Name of club changed as per parent article Ballarat City FC. SuperJew (talk) 23:27, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 12:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per CFDS C2D, match parent article name. GiantSnowman 12:29, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Croatian independence activists

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:44, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting croatian independence activists


 * Nominator's rationale: Pretty much an empty category, listing only one Ustashe member.  Sadkσ  (talk is cheap)  22:46, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Give me a chance. Only just working through 500 articles in Category:Independence activists. Rathfelder (talk) 22:53, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete While I dislike all "activists" category (when you read our article on activism you can see how namby-pamby being an activist is "Activism consists of efforts to promote, impede, direct, or intervene in social, political, economic, or environmental reform with the desire to make changes in society toward a perceived greater good." So working to promote something or to impede it are both activism. That said, these "independence activists" categories for countries that are independent are particularly useless. Presumably, everyone who serves as an officer, legislator, or whatever under a particular country is making a statement in favor of the independence of the sovereign they serve. In fact, short of a few anarchists, I would find it hard to believe that you'd be able to find many people in the "Croatian people" category who do not promote the independence of Croatia somehow. Ditto any other country. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:29, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, it is no longer a small category. Possibly rename to Category:Croatian nationalists in Yugoslavia as a subcategory of Category:Croatian nationalists. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I dont much like activist categories either, but I thought the independence activist category would be improved if it were divided to show what they wanted to be independent. They are generlly people who agitated to make their territory independent. There is clearly a big overlap with the various Nationalist and Rebel categories.  And I'm inclined to think that politicians in office dont generally need to be categorised as activists. Would we call Boris Johnson and independencce activist?  I'll be perfectly happy if some of the subcategories turn out to be superfluous. But I think I need assistance from people more familiar with the subject areas.  The history of Croatia, for a start, is pretty confusing.  I'm not sure that  Ustashe members are well described as independence activists.  Rathfelder (talk) 14:44, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, it is fairly large category, but what worries me the most is that we would have people of different views, or, all kinds of "nationalists" crammed under the same category; we would have far-right and Ustasha sympathizers (practically neo-Nazis) crammed together with people who were/are of liberal and democratic provenience but who voiced for national independence when the break-up in the 90's seemed inevitable - for instance, people like Andija Artuković and Mile Budak with Andria Hebrang and Ivo Banac, etc.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  23:09, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Additional commentary - of course, that would mean that Ante Pavelić shouldn't be categorized under this category, nor other Ustasha, NDH politicians, and radical nationalists. If this cat remains, it should be reserved only for people of mainstream political and ideological provenience.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  23:15, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That kind of purging would become too subjective, and not helpful to our readers. It is important to understand that part of the Croatian nationalists were indeed right wing radicals. At best they can perhaps be collectively put in this category, i.e. as a subcategory, instead of individually. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, subcat could be good option.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  22:41, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Croatian nationalists in Yugoslavia, which will limit its scope. WWII supporters of the German protectorate in Croatia  should be in a separate category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:44, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * These problems are not confined to Croatia. They affect much of the Category:Independence activists.  Its a feature of independence campaigns that they may unite people of very different political outlook, as indeed do nationalism and rebellions.  It will be helpful if we can agree that these categories can include politicians defined by party.   But I think its completely unrealistic to think we can confine entries to people of "mainstream political and ideological provenience" - a totally subjective and indeed fluid concept.  What may be thought completely crazy one year may be mainstream next.Rathfelder (talk) 17:44, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, and no, that wasn't suggestion to use it as a defining feature, per se, it was just an argument to consider possible confusion, especially in cases such as Croatia, where some really nasty people, who were/are nationalists active during either Nazi era as fascists or break-up of Yugoslavia as neo-fascists (oftentimes also war criminals), could end up in the same cat with those who were nationalist but fought with partisans as anti-fascists, or campaigned and advocated for independence in the late 80's-early 90's but were/are liberals and democrats (decent and progressive folks). I am not sure how should we try to resolve that (if at all), Marcocapelle suggested subcats.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  23:05, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Croatia had a strong independence movement from across the political spectrum. Many of them can't be placed in any other category as their main field of political activism involved the independence movement. The category includes an entire generation of political activism which defined the country.--Maleschreiber (talk) 00:23, 14 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Treasurer of Berwick

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (option A). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Treasurer of Berwick to Category:Treasurers of Berwick
 * Nominator's rationale: At minimum the category name should be in plural, it is a set category. After an earlier speedy discussion, there are three options:
 * option A rename to Category:Treasurers of Berwick, assuming that "Treasurer of Berwick" is a proper name;
 * option B rename to Category:Treasurers of Berwick-upon-Tweed, assuming that "treasurer" is a common name and "Berwick-upon-Tweed" is just a place name;
 * option C delete as this is a very minor office and a barely defining characteristic.
 * - Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Category:Treasurer of Berwick to Category:Treasurers of Berwick – C2A Le Deluge (talk) 14:10, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Le Deluge This one should be renamed to, as the main article of the category is Berwick-upon-Tweed. Regards, Armbrust The Homunculus 22:08, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not an expert on this, but I believe the historical title is "Treasurer of Berwick" and so my version is correct, it's not "Treasurer" of "Berwick/Berwick-upon-Tweed". It seems to have been a regional role rather than just literally dealing with the town accounts, so could equally have been referring to the County of Berwick rather than just the town. At the very least I suggest let this C2A through, and then if you want to change it further you can CfD? Le Deluge (talk) 10:18, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * But all of the articles and even the category link to Berwick-upon-Tweed. So I don’t see why a full discussion is needed for that. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:17, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That's because the county is now in a different nation and is known as Berwickshire, it's lost the former link to the county town whereas eg "Durham" can apply to the county or city. Anyway, that's kind of a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, my point is that "Treasurer of Berwick" is a title that is a phrase in its own right that needs not disambigation, we're not talking about the "Treasurer" of "Berwick". So it's a similar case to eg Treaty of Perth where there's only been one treaty in a city called Perth so it needs no disambiguating until another treaty is signed, we don't call it the Treaty of Perth, Scotland. Or the various Treaty of Windsor which do not need to be dabbed like Windsor, Berkshire, but the treaties do need to be dabbed (by year).Le Deluge (talk) 15:30, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * the treasurers in the category seem to be sixteenth century English officials (after the town was acquired by England, before the accession of James the First), so they would have had had responsibility for the English town and not the Scottish county. Presumably treasurers often played a diplomatic role as Berwick was a good base for travelling to Edinburgh. TSventon (talk) 22:12, 1 December 2020 (UTC)


 * pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:01, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * pinging 3rd contributor to speedy discussion, sorry for the earlier omission. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. In the 14th to 16th centuries England held various fortresses in Scotland.  The last of these was Berwick which remains in English hands and was ultimately annexed to Northumberland.  Looking at a couple of the articles, I see people named as also being Governor of Berwick, paymaster of English forces on the borders, and a deputy warden of the English eastern marches.  This looks like a significant role though not a diplomatic one.  The border was an area where a lot of raiding and counterraiding (for cattle, etc) occurred and there were mechanisms for resolving disputes between perpetrators.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:55, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename (option A) per nom. Thank you Peterkingiron for a helpful summary. TSventon (talk) 13:48, 13 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional space pilots

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:27, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional space pilots to Category:Fictional spaceship pilots
 * Nominator's rationale: I created this category, but I'm not so sure I picked the best name for it. Would fictional spaceship pilots be a better name? JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 21:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added an "e". DexDor(talk) 16:21, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep current name - you could probably make an argument that being a space pilot does not necessarily involve piloting a space ship. (Do space fighters count? How about a starship?) The current nam covers it well enough I think. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:33, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a fair point. I'm probably just overthinking this. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 16:41, 21 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Invasive fish species in Ukraine

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting invasive fish species in ukraine


 * plus related categories now emptied and at CSD. DexDor(talk) 06:52, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: This is crazy categorization (e.g. putting Ukrainian brook lamprey in an invasive-in-Ukraine category and then putting that under Australasia) - possibly CIR/disruption.  Previous CFDs have concluded that the invasive category structure should only be for articles specifically about that - not for general articles about species. DexDor(talk) 20:36, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose - aside from one mistake in categorization, there is nothing wrong with this category. Your reference to a previous CFD is misleading, as it was a discussion of US state-level categories, not country-level categories. The United States categories for invasive species still exist. So, unless you want to remove all country-based categories for invasive species, this is a frivolous nomination. --Sanya3 (talk) 22:27, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That was just one of a number of CFDs - e.g. see also this. The US categories you refer to are for articles such as Kudzu in the United States (not general articles about species). DexDor(talk) 16:24, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Not true. There are plenty of articles about species in US categories. See Invasive animal species in the United States category for example. "Introduced species" is also a far broader concept than "invasive species," so the other CFD you point to also does not apply.--Sanya3 (talk) 00:36, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Chinese sleeper is an invasive exotic in several areas of Eurasia and the Pumpkinseed is invasive to most countries in Europe. This has the potential for massive WP:OVERLAPCAT if we were to add cats for every country. RevelationDirect (talk) 19:59, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Multiple categories for individual countries already exist, see Invasive animal species in the United States category for example. We can't randomly choose countries that deserve to have a category. If we are not going to have categories for individual countries, then delete them all, or keep them all, as a group.--Sanya3 (talk) 00:40, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, we actually can. Invasive status in the US is defining for many species. In smaller countries, it often isn't. And WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:34, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete – non-defining; see the many previous CfDs on the subject listed at Template:Invasive species category. If desired, a list article about can be made (and should be well-referenced to include specific mention of each species as invasive in Ukraine). —Hyperik ⌜talk⌟ 02:24, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not defining for most if not all species here. This is (as Hyperik mentions) a pefect subject for a list, but not for a category. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:34, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


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Mayors in Overijssel

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging:
 * Category:Mayors of Kampen, Overijssel‎ to Category:People from Kampen, Overijssel and Category:Mayors in Overijssel
 * Category:Mayors of Steenwijk to Category:People from Steenwijkerland and Category:Mayors in Overijssel
 * Category:Mayors of Steenwijkerland to Category:People from Steenwijkerland and Category:Mayors in Overijssel
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, just one or two articles in each of these categories and they are not part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:29, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now While I'm sure these cities have had more than five mayors, the vast majority would be non-notable so I wouldn't expect them to ever get to a reasonably sized category. No objection to recreating later if I'm wrong and any get up to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Andrey Danilko albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. There has been no effort to rename the article at this stage, but if it is renamed then the categories could be renamed to match. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Andrey Danilko albums to Category:Verka Serduchka albums
 * Nominator's rationale: Different persona, same person. Andrey Danilko redirects to Verka Serduchka. A separate category isn't warranted here. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 18:45, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The article should be called Andrey Danilko, as well as the main category. Verka Serduchka is a subcategory.--Sanslogique (talk) 18:53, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You can request a move following the instructions at WP:RM if you think the name of the article should be changed. There should still only be one category. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 03:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge With no objection to speedy renaming later following an WP:RM on the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:29, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Actors involved in motorsports

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting actors involved in motorsports


 * Propose deleting athletes involved in motorsports


 * Propose deleting musicians involved in motorsports


 * Nominator's rationale: I've seen worse categories - the intersection is kinda defining in rare cases like Paul Newman but in general this feels like these are probably WP:OCTRIVIA cats best handled by Category_intersection. These articles are already well categorized in general. Le Deluge (talk) 11:28, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Comment: I feel like most of these people are fairly well known for this, and it isn't trivial and unimportant like the examples in WP:OCTRIVIA such as hair color etc.
 * Delete seems non-defining and impossibly subjective: what does "involved in" mean? drives, watches, owns a team, played a driver in a movie once (see WP:PERFCAT), heck if we know. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:10, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as trivial intersections. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as trivial intersections. Possibly lisitify.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:58, 11 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional victims

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, merging contents per 's suggestion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:12, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional victims


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SUBJECTIVECAT this container cat is being pruned of its subcats and what remains isn't universally victims. Hannibal Lecter is hardly what some would term a victim, although others may disagree but there you have the subjectiveness of this scheme. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:43, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Fictional characters for anything that is left in the category after other discussions. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:38, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * As only sub-cats currently remain, how about merging to the intermediate Category:Fictional characters by attribute? – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:23, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I am assuming that Category:Fictional characters by attribute was originally meant for Fictional characters by something. Otherwise I could not tell the difference in intended use versus Category:Fictional characters. Meanwhile things got mixed up. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK. Category:Fictional characters by attribute should probably be nominated separately for upmerging. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I now withdraw that suggestion about nominating Category:Fictional characters by attribute as it has been more fully populated and now seems useful. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:27, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: CFD template on category page was not subst'd and so did not link to the correct discussion page.
 * Merge to Category:Fictional characters. Very subjective. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:22, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom; Merge leftovers to Category:Fictional characters. --Just N. (talk) 12:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:24, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Selective merge to Category:Fictional characters by attribute, for and ; the other sub-cat has other suitable parents already. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:32, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree (overruling my earlier vote). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:02, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:The Dragon Prince characters

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Convert Category:The Dragon Prince characters to article List of The Dragon Prince characters
 * Nominator's rationale: Generally these kinds of categories get listified Le Deluge (talk) 10:36, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * If not kept, delete. Listifying is not necessary, the main article The Dragon Prince already contains a section with a list of characters. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Prix de Flore winners

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:44, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Prix de Flore winners
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
 * The Café de Flore coffeehouse in Paris gives out an annual Prix de Flore award to upcoming writers. The winner receives a wine glass etched with their name which is good for a free glass of wine a day for the next year. (I'll take this award over a Grammy!) No matter how charming, in the article space, the award is not treated as defining: 9 of the stub/start articles that could be in the category mention the award in passing, while 4 mention it in the lede and 5 don't mention it at all. That's a far cry from WP:OCAWARD's editing guideline that "A category of award recipients should exist only if receiving the award is a defining characteristic for the large majority of its notable recipients." The contents are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Background We deleted another literary award by a Parisian restaurant here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Looking at French Wikipedia, it seems that this prize is indeed mentioned in the first line of the article of about every novel which won it, and prominently mentioned in many author biographies. Value judgement about the glass of wine seems completely out of place, this is a humorous nod more than anything else. This award is usually talked about with much respect in the French press, so I'd say that it is indeed defining (unlike some other lesser-known or less prestigious literary prizes taking their name after restaurants or not). Place Clichy (talk) 02:54, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * This category on English Wikipedia is grouping the writers; the actual novels are obviously much more likely to be defined by a novel award. An alternative here might be to convert it to Category:Prix de Flore award-winning works since The Art of Struggle and The Romanian both seemed defined by it. RevelationDirect (talk) 13:09, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I know that the category is for authors, and I think indeed that it is part of the most prestigious current French literary awards, and defining for the authors. That's typically one of the very first informations you would find in an author's bio in a book cover, and you cannot say that about every such award. Looking at my 1999 edition of Michel Houellebecq's Extension du domaine de la lutte, it is indeed mentioned in the second line: Né en 1958, auteur d'un essai sur Lovecraft, il a été récompensé en 1996 par le prix de Flore pour un recueil de poèmes, Le sens du combat. [...] Seeing that Houellebecq is probably the single most known contemporary French author at the moment and is loaded with awards, it says something about the value of this award that his publisher would mention it so prominently, as I guess would any publisher of any author awarded this prize. Place Clichy (talk) 17:18, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair enough; we just disagree on this one. Thanks RevelationDirect (talk)
 * Delete If "upcoming" writers are the only ones eligible for this award, that diminishes its value in my view. Sooner or later writers cease to be "upcoming" and are either established or retired. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 15:41, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:34, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete as probably non-defining and because categorizing by awards won is bad categorization (e.g. unlike Category:21st-century French novelists etc it doesn't form a comprehensive categorization scheme) and the list (which can contain redlinks and supporting information) is much better. Note: There are currently just 2 articles about winners in this category (plus the article about the prize which is another typical way awards categories cause miscategorization). DexDor(talk) 07:12, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete -- There is a good list in the main article. The French WP does not necessarily have the same rules of OCAWARD as the English one.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:AwesomenessTV
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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy Rename. (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:22, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:AwesomenessTV to Category:Awesomeness (company)
 * Nominator's rationale: The article was recently moved from AwesomenessTV to Awesomeness (company) with the comment that the company changed its name in 2019. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:12, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:05, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per C2D. There is no reason this could not have been speedied. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:35, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


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Over&underpopulated stub cats
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting overpopulated stub categories


 * Propose deleting underpopulated stub categories


 * Nominator's rationale: Replaced by Category:Stub categories needing attention. Her Pegship (?) 00:58, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per Peg. Grutness... wha?   01:23, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Waacstats (talk) 19:48, 11 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of Merit (Cameroon)
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Order of Merit (Cameroon)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Grand Cordons of the Order of Merit (Cameroon)
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
 * When foreign leaders and other guests visit Cameroon, or vice versa, the Order of Merit (Cameroon) is given out as souvenir to commemorate the visit. Henri Romans-Petit, Josip Broz Tito and Princess Margriet of the Netherlands are not remotely defined by this award. (The only Cameroonian person in this category is Françoise Foning, whose article mentions the award in passing.) There wasn't a list so I created one here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:10, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Background In the past, we've deleted similar categories for high ranking visitors here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:10, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, another obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Gottlieb Duttweiler Prize
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Gottlieb Duttweiler Prize
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
 * The Gottlieb Duttweiler Prize has a broad criteria for "outstanding contributions to the well-being of the wider community" by the Gottlieb Duttweiler Institute think tank in Switzerland. The award doesn't seem especially defining for Kofi Annan, Václav Havel, our own Jimmy Wales or the other articles which tend to mention the award in passing along with other honours. The contents are already listified right here for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:11, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, another obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


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