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Category:Wikipedians interested in the Oakland Raiders

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 17:18, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose moving category


 * Nominator's rationale: This category should be moved to Category:Wikipedians interested in the Las Vegas Raiders because the new name was officialy announced today. SportsFan007 (talk) 23:34, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support nom's rationale, which is entirely reasonable. (Sidebar comment: I'm just surprised nom is so on the ball with renaming a Wikipedian user category in tandem with the announcement.) Doug Mehus  T · C  02:51, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment New categories were created for Category:Wikipedians interested in the Los Angeles Chargers and Category:Wikipedians interested in the Los Angeles Rams following each of those teams’ moves. Category:Wikipedians interested in San Diego Chargers and Category:Wikipedians interested in St. Louis Rams still exist. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 20:52, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Blechhammer prisoners of World War II

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:47, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting blechhammer prisoners of world war ii


 * Nominator's rationale: This category doesn't make sense because there were several separate forced-labor operations near Blechhammer, but they differed wildly from one another (POW camps, a subcamp of Auschwitz, Polish forced laborers, etc.). buidhe 22:34, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support If the facts are reliable true that Buidhe delivered the deletion is indeed necessary. Just N. (talk) 16:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Architects by continent of work

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:23, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting architects by continent of work


 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 article populates these 3 categories. Architects often work in lots of countries. Not defining. The rest of Category:People by occupation and continent relates to the nationality of the people, not where they work.  Rathfelder (talk) 16:17, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Propose deleting architects working in africa

Propose deleting architects working in tanzania


 * Support in principle per nom, but executed slightly differently: rename Category:Architects working in Tanzania to Category:Tanzanian architects; delete the other two categories indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:05, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - Peter Bransgrove was British, not Tanzanian. It was Tanganyika when he was there. Oculi (talk) 18:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete  The area of activity of an architect could be defining, but a continent-wide category is overly broad. Dimadick (talk) 18:51, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete where a person works may be defining (I think Van Gogh's period in France was), but combining [profession]+[location of work] for every possible combination makes a whole parallel tree to the people from and the expats in trees and ultimately becomes another category burden for the many professions that cross international borders. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:48, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Many architects work across the globe. Grutness... wha?   01:54, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * it is quite true that the area of activity of an architect could be defining, and that could be the basis of a system of categorisation, but it isnt what we have now. I dont think we do that with any other profession and it would clearly have its own problems.  I've made a category Category:Architecture of Tanzania which I think is the best we can do. Rathfelder (talk) 16:27, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support in principle -- Peter Bransgrove was a British architect who worked in colonial Tanganyika. Category:Architects working in Tanzania would fit (despite the anachronism), applying the principle established long ago for alumni categories that the alumni of a renamed or merged college are deemed to have attended the successor. Architecture categories should be for buildings, not people, so that I do not like Rathfelder's proposal, though his new category might be a useful parent.  Category:Colonial architects in Africa might be another parent.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Marvel Comics planets

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Ə XPLICIT  00:09, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Marvel Comics planets to Category:Marvel Comics locations
 * Nominator's rationale: Only three articles, and future expansion seems pretty unlikely. The redirects belong in a redirect category. TTN (talk) 00:05, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Support per nominator. Debresser (talk) 18:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I disagree that future expansion is unlikely. The Marvel Universe is pretty large, with a significant sci-fi/space story-telling aspect. Also, the category fits withing the structure of other Category:Fictional planets by work and matches the structure of Category:DC Comics planets. j-beda (talk) 13:44, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * If merged it should be a dual merge, also to Category:Fictional planets. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:07, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Strongly agree with Marcocapelle. – Fayenatic  L ondon
 * Keep per J-Beda. There is sufficient content for this to be valid and useful. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:50, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

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 * Dual upmerge to Category:Marvel Comics locations and Category:Fictional planets per and . --Doug Mehus  T · C  02:52, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom143.179.9.127 (talk) 21:32, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - - There are a lot of Planets in the Marvel Universe. Instead, Category:Fictional planets by work should be upmerged to Category:Fictional planets. The other "objects by work" categories appear to be devices. - jc37 20:44, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Films based on 2000 AD (comics)

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:31, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting films based on 2000 ad (comics)


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article, which isn't really even about the 2000 AD franchise, and one subcategory, which is already in CFM discussion. Way too little to deserve a separate category. Delete. J I P  &#124; Talk 10:43, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

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 * Support in principle but I guess the category should be upmerged to the parent categories, right? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:44, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - I am seeing a conflicting argument here. You say that there is Only one article [...] and one subcategory, but you CfD the category to be merged into Category:Judge Dredd, which isn't a film-based category. That means that both Dredd and Judge Dredd (film) would have to be re-categorized as Category:Films based on 2000 AD (comics). That gives us 3 for this category, making it a helpful category to find films based on specific comic book works. --Gonnym (talk) 11:12, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem here. All articles this category contains are Dredd and Judge Dredd (film), which are related to Judge Dredd and can thus be included in Category:Judge Dredd, and Hardware (film), which isn't actually even based on 2000 AD at all, so it can be safely removed from this category. It's true that Category:Judge Dredd is not film-based, but it's Judge Dredd -based, and thus can logically include the first two articles. J I P  &#124; Talk 11:39, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure you understand how categories work or just not understanding the issue here. I didn't say the article has to choose between being in Category:Judge Dredd or Category:Films based on 2000 AD (comics), it should be in both. A film like Dredd is both something related to Category:Judge Dredd and is also Category:Films based on 2000 AD (comics). Regarding Hardware (film), seeing as how there is a reference at Hardware (film) for the statement that Fleetway Comics brought a successful lawsuit that the film plagiarized the comic strip and so a notice was added to later releases, giving credits to the strip's publisher, Fleetway Publications and creators, Steve MacManus and Kevin O'Neill, your argument that it isn't based on 2000 AD contradicts the article sources and is (incorrectly) WP:OR. --Gonnym (talk) 12:02, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * A category with three articles is still a very small category. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:52, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

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 * Keep - Now at three articles, which is small but enough for a category. There is also a real prospect of expansion, with a Rogue Trooper film having a script and director, and Rebellion (owners of 2000 AD) setting up a studio . the wub "?!"  00:09, 2 March 2020 (UTC)


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American television series by network
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 17:17, 1 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Category:YES Network shows → Category:YES Network original programming
 * Category:WGN America shows → Category:WGN America original programming
 * Category:The Weather Channel shows → Category:The Weather Channel original programming
 * Category:The WB shows → Category:The WB original programming
 * Category:VH1 television series → Category:VH1 original programming
 * Category:USA Network shows → Category:USA Network original programming
 * Category:UPN network shows → Category:UPN original programming
 * Category:Univision network shows → Category:Univision original programming
 * Category:UniMás network shows → Category:UniMás original programming
 * Category:TV One (American TV channel) shows → Category:TV One (American TV channel) original programming
 * Category:TV Land network shows → Category:TV Land original programming
 * Category:Turner Classic Movies shows → Category:Turner Classic Movies original programming
 * Category:TruTV shows → Category:TruTV original programming
 * Category:Trinity Broadcasting Network shows → Category:Trinity Broadcasting Network original programming
 * Category:Travel Channel shows → Category:Travel Channel original programming
 * Category:TNT (American TV network) programs → Category:TNT (American TV network) original programming
 * Category:TLC (TV network) programs → Category:TLC (TV network) original programming
 * Category:Telemundo network shows → Category:Telemundo original programming
 * Category:TBS (U.S. TV channel) programs → Category:TBS (American TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Syfy original programs → Category:Syfy original programming
 * Category:Sundance Channel shows → Category:Sundance TV original programming
 * Category:Style Network shows → Category:Style Network original programming
 * Category:Starz network shows → Category:Starz original programming
 * Category:Spike (TV network) shows → Category:Spike (TV network) original programming
 * Category:Speed (TV channel) shows → Category:Speed (TV network) original programming
 * Category:Spectrum Originals shows → Category:Spectrum Originals original programming
 * Category:SOAPnet network shows → Category:Soapnet original programming
 * Category:SNY shows → Category:SportsNet New York original programming
 * Category:Showtime (TV network) original programs → Category:Showtime (TV network) original programming
 * Category:Science Channel shows → Category:Science Channel original programming
 * Category:RFD-TV shows → Category:RFD-TV original programming
 * Category:Reelz television series → Category:Reelz original programming
 * Category:Playboy TV shows → Category:Playboy TV original programming
 * Category:PBS network shows → Category:PBS original programming
 * Category:Paramount Network shows → Category:Paramount Network original programming
 * Category:Oxygen network shows → Category:Oxygen (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:OWN: Oprah Winfrey Network original programs → Category:Oprah Winfrey Network original programming
 * Category:Outdoor Channel shows → Category:Outdoor Channel original programming
 * Category:Noggin shows → Category:Noggin (brand) original programming
 * Category:Nicktoons (TV channel) original series → Category:Nicktoons original programming
 * Category:Nick Jr. shows → Category:Nick Jr. original programming
 * Category:Nick at Nite original programs → Category:Nick at Nite original programming
 * Category:NFL Network shows → Category:NFL Network original programming
 * Category:New England Sports Network shows → Category:New England Sports Network original programming
 * Category:NBC network shows → Category:NBC original programming
 * Category:NBA TV shows → Category:NBA TV original programming
 * Category:National Geographic Channel programs → Category:National Geographic Channel original programming
 * Category:The Nashville Network shows → Category:The Nashville Network original programming
 * Category:The N channel shows → Category:The N original programming
 * Category:MyNetworkTV shows → Category:MyNetworkTV original programming
 * Category:MundoMax network shows → Category:MundoMax original programming
 * Category:MTV2 television series → Category:MTV2 original programming
 * Category:MTV television series → Category:MTV original programming
 * Category:MTV (Canada) television series → Category:MTV (Canadian TV channel) original programming
 * Category:MSNBC programs → Category:MSNBC original programming
 * Category:MSG Network shows → Category:MSG Network original programming
 * Category:MLB Network shows → Category:MLB Network original programming
 * Category:Logo original programs → Category:Logo TV original programming
 * Category:Lifetime (TV network) shows → Category:Lifetime (TV network) original programming
 * Category:Ion Television network shows → Category:Ion Television original programming
 * Category:Investigation Discovery shows → Category:Investigation Discovery original programming
 * Category:IFC (U.S. TV channel) shows → Category:IFC (American TV channel) original programming
 * Category:History (American TV channel) original programs → Category:History (American TV channel) original programming
 * Category:HGTV original programs → Category:HGTV original programming
 * Category:HDNet shows → Category:HDNet original programming
 * Category:HBO network shows → Category:HBO original programming
 * Category:Hallmark Channel shows → Category:Hallmark Channel original programming
 * Category:Golf Channel television shows → Category:Golf Channel original programming
 * Category:Game Show Network original programs → Category:Game Show Network original programming
 * Category:G4 television series → Category:G4 (American TV channel) original programming
 * Category:FYI (U.S. TV channel) shows → Category:FYI (American TV channel) original programming
 * Category:FXX original programs → Category:FXX original programming
 * Category:FX network shows → Category:FX Networks original programming
 * Category:Fusion shows → Category:Fusion TV original programming
 * Category:Fuse TV network shows → Category:Fuse (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Freeform shows → Category:Freeform (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Fox Sports programs → Category:Fox Sports original programming
 * Category:Fox Sports Net shows → CategoryFox Sports Networks original programming
 * Category:Fox Soccer Channel shows → Category:Fox Soccer original programming
 * Category:Fox News shows → Category:Fox News original programming
 * Category:Fox network shows → Category:Fox Broadcasting Company original programming
 * Category:Fox Family shows → Category:Fox Family original programming
 * Category:Food Network series → Category:Food Network original programming
 * Category:Fine Living Network shows → Category:Fine Living Network original programming
 * Category:The Family Channel shows → Category:The Family Channel original programming
 * Category:ESPNU network shows → Category:ESPNU original programming
 * Category:ESPN2 network shows → Category:ESPN2 original programming
 * Category:ESPN network shows → Category:ESPN original programming
 * Category:ESPN Classic network shows → Category:ESPN Classic original programming
 * Category:Epix network shows → Category:Epix original programming
 * Category:E! network shows → Category:E! original programming
 * Category:DuMont Television Network shows → Category:DuMont Television Network original programming
 * Category:Disney XD shows → Category:Disney XD original programming
 * Category:Disney Channel shows → Category:Disney Channel original programming
 * Category:Discovery Kids shows → Category:Discovery Kids original programming
 * Category:Discovery Home shows → Category:Discovery Home original programming
 * Category:Discovery Fit & Health shows → Category:Discovery Fit & Health original programming
 * Category:Discovery Family shows → Category:Discovery Family original programming
 * Category:Discovery Channel shows → Category:Discovery Channel original programming
 * Category:Destination America shows → Category:Destination America original programming
 * Category:Destination America original programs → Category:Destination America original programming
 * Category:The CW shows → Category:The CW original programming
 * Category:Current TV original programs → Category:Current TV original programming
 * Category:Cooking Channel series → Category:Cooking Channel original programming
 * Category:Comedy Central shows → Category:Comedy Central original programming
 * Category:Comcast SportsNet shows → Category:Comcast SportsNet original programming
 * Category:CNN shows → Category:CNN original programming
 * Category:CNBC programs → Category:CNBC original programming
 * Category:CMT (American TV channel) television series → Category:CMT (American TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Cinemax network shows → Category:Cinemax original programming
 * Category:CBS Sports Network shows → Category:CBS Sports Network original programming
 * Category:CBS network shows → Category:CBS original programming
 * Category:Cartoon Network original programs → Category:Cartoon Network original programming
 * Category:C-SPAN shows → Category:C-SPAN original programming
 * Category:BYU TV shows → Category:BYU TV original programming
 * Category:Bravo (U.S.) television series → Category:Bravo (American TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Bounce TV shows → Category:Bounce TV original programming
 * Category:Boomerang (TV network) original programs → Category:Boomerang (TV network) original programming
 * Category:Black Entertainment Television shows → Category:Black Entertainment Television original programming
 * Category:BBC America series → Category:BBC America original programming
 * Category:AZN Television shows → Category:AZN Television original programming
 * Category:Audience (TV network) series → Category:Audience (TV network) original programming
 * Category:Animal Planet shows → Category:Animal Planet original programming
 * Category:American Broadcasting Company network shows → Category:American Broadcasting Company original programming
 * Category:AMC (TV channel) network shows → Category:AMC (TV channel) original programming
 * Category:Al Jazeera America shows → Category:Al Jazeera America original programming
 * Category:Adult Swim original programs → Category:Adult Swim original programming
 * Category:ABC Family shows → Category:ABC Family original programming
 * Category:A&E (TV channel) shows → Category:A&E (TV channel) original programming

American television series by network (discussion)
Renaming 129 subcategories of Category:American television series by network to a common naming scheme, ending with "original programming". All tagged by per request by. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 01:17, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

The current naming of categories in Category:American television series by network (and in other related categories) is very inconsistent, using 13 different styles (that I've noticed; see below). I've chosen to propose the usage be "original programming" for a few reasons:
 * 1) Usage of "original" makes the category clear what type of members it should have as per MOS:TVCATS: TV series should avoid network categories when they were not originally produced for that network, meaning that all members of the categories should be only original programming and not re-runs, syndication, etc.
 * 2) Using "programming" solves the UK/US conflict of "program" vs "programmes" and creates a WP:CONSISTENT style, which makes it easier for both editors and readers to find.
 * 3) This is the style used consistently by Category:Original programming by streaming service subcategories.
 * 4) Using "programming" also solves another issue of clarity as categories that use "series" also have "TV programs" added to them.


 * shows‎ - example: Category:ABC Family shows‎
 * network shows‎ - example: Category:Cinemax network shows‎
 * programs‎ - example: Category:CNBC programs‎
 * programmes‎ - example: Category:Comedy Central (UK and Ireland) programmes‎
 * television programs‎ - example: Category:El Trece television programs‎
 * television programmes‎ - example: Category:Channel 5 (UK) television programmes‎
 * original programs‎ - example: Category:Adult Swim original programs‎
 * original programming - example: Category:Amazon Video original programming‎
 * series - example: Category:BBC America series‎
 * television series - example: Category:CMT (American TV channel) television series‎
 * original series‎ - example: Category:Nicktoons (TV channel) original series‎
 * productions‎ - example: Category:BBC Birmingham productions
 * original productions‎ - example: Category:Here! original productions‎

Thanks for the help DannyS712! --Gonnym (talk) 06:52, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Also Category:Carlton Television, Category:Channel 4 comedy. Fuddle (talk) 00:22, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, some of the American ones weren't tagged as they were sub-categories of other network ones and not in the main category. If this passes I'll take care of the missing ones and the other languages. --Gonnym (talk) 14:59, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:18, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Given the number of categories involved, it would be prudent to get explicit support for this. MER-C 08:18, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree, but giving the inconsistency with the categories that has been there for years, this may just be one of those categories that doesn't interest editors. No point in indefinitely relisting it when WP:SILENCE exists. --Gonnym (talk) 09:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, the rename redefines the scope of these categories in line with WP:DEFINING. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:01, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support: It's a lot of work, but it's only going to get worse. Fuddle (talk) 00:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, the rename redefines the scope of these categories in line with WP:DEFINING. Just N. (talk) 16:01, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * While I do applaud the effort, it should be noted that "programming is not what is in these categories. "Programming" (verb) is what a network executive does when determining what to show and when to show it. They create a "structure" (schedule). "Programming" (noun) is that structure. Not the shows themselves. We shouldn't shoehorn things into using an inappropriate word out of Wikipedia convenience. (Looks at WP:IAR.)  In my past experience with these discussions, "show(s)" was the most neutral identifier, that also avoided the US/UK issues, like how "series" is defined etc. Needless to say, this topic has been discussed and re-discussed for years. That said, I would welcome hearing/discussing other possible options. - jc37 19:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Your description is one possible use of "programming" but isn't the only one as can be seen by these examples, , and . I also disagree that "show" is the most neutral identifier. It's also not a word used in any of the TV-related guidelines (including WP:NCTV), so not used in any TV article or disambiguation. If there was a discussion about this usage, it probably was a very local consensus agreement which basically ignored actual usages in article-space. I'll also add that these categories usually also have original films, either inside the category or as a sub-category. A film is definitely not a "show", while it is part of an "original programming". I'm also not a fan of hinting of abusing WP:IAR when the consensus is not in your favor. While you might not agree with something, that does not make it wrong. However, for the sake of finding a solution, while looking for sources that used "original programming" I noticed that a lot of them used "original content". I'm ok with that. --Gonnym (talk) 21:51, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, so first, all 4 of your examples actually illustrate what I said. Each talk about a network's or channel's or service's programming. Second, I suggest you go back and look up the actual discussions going back years rather than just vague-waving, or suggesting that many WP:CFD discussions over time are merely a "local consensus". (And if that were true, wouldn't that be true of this discussion as well?) Third, a "show" does indeed include a film - show. and while we're referencing words - programming. Wikipedia does not create, we report. Hence my comment about IAR. - Existing policy is made to reflect what we can reference. Not what we might like or what is convenient to us. And of course WP:CCC. So if existing policy needs changing, we can do that. All that aside, this should be civil discourse, so please WP:AGF. If you re-read my comments above, I said "we" on Wikipedia, and was talking about best practices "we" should try to follow. What we do here has little to do with you or I, it is about making Wikipedia better. And with that in mind I of course welcome further discussion. And to address the usage of "content", that would appear to be a bit too broad a term, for similar reasons concerning "product" (or production). - jc37 02:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Completely disagree with your analysis of those links. Streaming services don't have a schedule. Those links were specifically speaking about the actual content - series and films. Here is also 3 Emmy Award names, that again, specicially address the TV series and not any schdule - Outstanding Choreography For Variety Or Reality Programming, Outstanding Costumes For Variety, Nonfiction Or Reality Programming and Outstanding Picture Editing For Variety Programming. Don't see how my comment was uncivil or did not AGF. I can't however AGF on your hinting to closing admin to disregard any consensus and just IAR. That is completely uncalled for. Anyways, life is life and it appears that you and me just won't agree which is fine. I'll stick with my original proposal as I believe it best serves the wiki. --Gonnym (talk) 09:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


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