Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 28



Category:Apple Inc. mobile phones
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Category:20th-century Gambian educators

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: dual upmerge to Category:Gambian educators and Category:20th-century educators. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 05:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:20th-century Gambian educators to Category:Gambian educators
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1. Rathfelder (talk) 20:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Support it makes sense to merge such a small category.Catfurball (talk) 21:08, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to  Category:Gambian educators and Category:20th-century educators. Surprising that Rathfelder created this tiny category. Oculi (talk) 21:53, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Gambian educators and Category:20th-century educators; too small.  J 947 &thinsp;(c) , at  01:07, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Upmerge as above and speedy (nom by only editor). Grutness... wha?   02:19, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Dual upmerge per Oculi. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:48, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I created it because it was a wanted red category, and at that point it wasnt clear how many articles there might be. Rathfelder (talk) 20:54, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters involved in incest

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. There might be more support for a split to victims and perpetrators, although that may not catch all cases (are Turin and Niniel both victims?). Note: Category:Fictional victims of child abuse already exists, and I have added a link to that one. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:54, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional characters involved in incest


 * Nominator's rationale: I don't see how this is a defining trait or possible to apply consistently. This category has contained everything from in-law sex, characters who married second cousins, child molestation by relative and rape. Who defines what is incest is here? ★Trekker (talk) 18:55, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: Who defines what is incest is here? I'm sure I'm missing the actual question, but Incest has a known definition. Also, if sources use the term to describe these characters, like Cersei Lannister, that also works. No comment on the category. --Gonnym (talk) 19:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Problem is that "what is incest" varies a lot by culture. For example, is cousin marriage (first cousisn, second cousins, first cousisn once removed) incest? In some cultures it is considered to be, in others not. Sex with your sister-in-law is seen as incest in some cultures as well and used to be in places like England too. With step or adopted relatives? With former step or adopted relatives? I also have a major problem with the "involved with" label, to me being molested by an uncle or raped by your father isn't much of involved with. It's like categorizing sexual assault victims with "characters involved with rape". It's totally inappropriate and misinformative.★Trekker (talk) 19:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I was unaware of the category's existence, but I am not convinced by Treker's arguments. What counts as incest should be defined by sourced text in the article, not by seeking some kind of universal cultural standard. Dimadick (talk) 22:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Problem is that even sources can disagree on stuff like this. You get one source which claims almost anything, that doesn't mean it's the widely accepted opinion among readers/viewers. I know you like to keep almost every category you see Dimadick but the problem with this one is that it's fundamentally POV even from sources.★Trekker (talk) 09:12, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Question, "involved in" sounds rather vague, is it possible to make this more specific? If that is not the case, it may be an additional (weak) reason for deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:53, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Its terrible wording honestly, I don't find it remotly reasonable to include characters like the Lannisters and small children who were molested in the same category as is the things are comparable. Not sure what would be better name.★Trekker (talk) 09:12, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree. If kept, it should at least be split between victims and offenders. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:15, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep but perhaps purge of cousin-relationships -- The closeness of the relationship for it to be incest does indeed vary between cultures. However, it should be possible to have a valid category limited to sexual relations between ancestors and descendants but including their siblings, so that uncle/niece and brother/sister would be included.  This needs to be set out in a headnote.  This a category relating to fiction, so that we know completely, based on what the author wrote.  This differs from the real world, where we need to depend on convictions.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:49, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:NONDEF, meanwhile I checked a number of articles and this hardly ever appears as a defining trait in the lead of the articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Check the main text instead. Several of the leads in fiction-related articles are substandard, mentioning little more than the title. Dimadick (talk) 17:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Abby Wambach

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 05:46, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting abby wambach


 * Nominator's rationale: Not enough articles to warrant an eponymous category. WP:OCEPON. 212.135.65.247 (talk) 15:25, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete as per nom. Only really two articles directly related to Wambach including the head article.  J 947 &thinsp;(c) , at  01:13, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Question neither WP:OCEPON or WP:EPCATPERS indicates a specific number of articles to indicate "enough". What # are you going by IPv4 user? Hmlarson (talk) 23:51, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:07, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support I 100% agree with above.Catfurball (talk) 19:15, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Computer game user templates
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Category:Crocodile Dundee films

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Crocodile Dundee As that category was not included in the nomination a reverse merge cannot be processed now but a further renaming could be considered. Timrollpickering (Talk) 20:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting crocodile dundee films


 * Nominator's rationale: Cat is too small. All content could be better in the main category. ★Trekker (talk) 21:35, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


 * my best guess is that you intend to propose this and all below categories to be merged to some or all of their parent categories. Could you please check all your nominations and indicate the appropriate merge target(s)? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:43, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge and delete has the same result in these cases so I don't really see how it matters.★Trekker (talk) 21:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That is incorrect. Plain deletion, without merging, will e.g. remove these articles from the tree of Category:Crocodile Dundee so you have to specify the latter as a merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Is there some easy way to change my nomination to "merge" instead?★Trekker (talk) 19:08, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid not. The solution is to take more time for every nomination to sort out what it is the most appropriate action. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:13, 26 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Procedural oppose, if not kept, this category and all film categories below should be merged somewhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:22, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I dunno. I'm looking at Category:Film franchises, which was also created in July of 2019, and thinking that this whole structure probably should be deleted. - jc37 02:53, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not in favour of any large scale deleting here, I think "Character films" is useful for many well known characters with many films under their belts, just not this major overuse of them.★Trekker (talk) 19:17, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - Category:Films by character was created in July of 2019. It, and all the single character subcats - including this one - should be deleted as overcategorisation. - jc37 02:49, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * But don't you agree that the articles in this category should not be removed from the tree of, e.g. Category:Crocodile Dundee? Because that is exactly what is going to happen with a plain delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I'm fully willing to add the correct categories to these pages. It's not that much of a hasle for me, if we just don't use a bot right away it won't be very hard. I understand if you still think it's the wrong choice tho.★Trekker (talk) 19:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Films by character should be further expanded in order to include more character categories. Dimadick (talk) 08:58, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Dimadick we can't have categories for every single character who has had a film, it's the "Children by Monarch" thing all over again, if someone only has one of a certain thing, that thing should not be categorized with its own category.★Trekker (talk) 19:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge -- I see not reason for having both this and Category:Crocodile Dundee: possibly reverse merge. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:51, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge from Category:Crocodile Dundee looks better to me. Perhaps this nomination should be withdrawn to make way for a fresh discussion. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:49, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That would be a better alternative indeed. Move Crocodile Dundee (film series) to here and delete Category:Crocodile Dundee per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 1 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge up to Category:Crocodile Dundee. BD2412  T 19:07, 5 March 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Films featuring Broly

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:32, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting films featuring broly


 * Nominator's rationale: Category is too small and "Featuring X" is not how categories are used. ★Trekker (talk) 21:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Procedural oppose, if not kept, this category and all film categories below should be merged somewhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:02, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Category:Films by character was created in July of 2019. It, and all the single character subcats - including this one - should be deleted as overcategorisation. - jc37 02:49, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Films by character should be further expanded in order to include more character categories. Dimadick (talk) 08:56, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * They really shouldn't. It's not helpful when there are simply too few films. It just becomes overcategorization.★Trekker (talk) 18:59, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - all films in this category already belong to Category:Dragon Ball animated films. Broly belongs exclusively to the Dragon Ball franchise, and this category is most likely never going to expand. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  23:15, 17 March 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Black Panther films

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge Timrollpickering (Talk) 20:00, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting black panther films


 * Nominator's rationale: Category is too small. ★Trekker (talk) 21:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Procedural oppose, if not kept, this category and all film categories below should be merged somewhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:02, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Category:Films by character was created in July of 2019. It, and all the single character subcats - including this one - should be deleted as overcategorisation. - jc37 02:49, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Films by character should be further expanded in order to include more character categories. Dimadick (talk) 08:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * How is that helpful when the category is far too small?★Trekker (talk) 18:58, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * merge to Category:Black Panther (film series). I see no merit in having both.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:54, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to parents Category:Films based on Marvel Comics, Category:Black Panther in other media, Category:Films based on works by Stan Lee and Category:Films based on works by Jack Kirby. (I doubt that the Lego film belongs in Category:Black Panther (film series), hence this variation on Peterkingiron's suggestion.) – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:11, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Support this merge, as Fayenatic london is very experienced I trust that it needs no merge to other parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 3 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge up to Category:Films based on Marvel Comics by character. BD2412  T 19:06, 5 March 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Kourosh Yaghmaei

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. I have added links between the categories. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:28, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting kourosh yaghmaei


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent category for two (or however many) albums and just the covers for those albums. WP:OCEPON. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge This tree contains three articles on albums; the same three produced by the subject; files for their covers; and a bio article. That is nearly enough for one category, but not four.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:48, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


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