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Category:Social casual gaming
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Category:Online gaming services
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Category:Multiplayer gaming services
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Category:Magnavox gaming consoles

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Magnavox consoles. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 06:25, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Magnavox gaming consoles to Category:Magnavox video game consoles
 * Nominator's rationale: Per consensus discussion at WTVG, "gaming" is discouraged and replaced with "games" or "video games" where possible. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:57, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Alt rename to Category:Magnavox consoles, aligning with most sibling categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Works for me. Axem Titanium (talk) 22:53, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Move to Magnavox consoles per Marcocapelle. --M asem (t) 20:47, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Move to Category:Magnavox consoles; seems a straightforward case of consistency.--Martin IIIa (talk) 14:24, 9 February 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Competitive video gaming techniques

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 03:20, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Competitive video gaming techniques to Category:Competitive video game techniques
 * Nominator's rationale: Per consensus discussion at WTVG, "gaming" is discouraged and replaced with "games" or "video games" where possible. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:55, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --M asem (t) 20:48, 8 February 2020 (UTC)


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Category:American animated television programs featuring anthropomorphic characters

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. No consensus for deleting or merging at this time. (non-admin closure) buidhe 19:00, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american animated television programs featuring anthropomorphic characters


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. "Cartoons with furry things in it" is borderline, but "American cartoons with furry things in it" isn't defining. The furry things look the same no matter the country of origin. Also WP:NARROWCAT, pretty much a random intersection of characteristics. Finally, WP:OCLOCATION: "In general, avoid subcategorizing subjects by geographical boundary if that boundary does not have any relevant bearing on the subjects' other characteristics."  Sandstein   20:17, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose, to begin with, if change is needed the category should be merged rather than deleted. But I fail to see why a well-populated category like this one should be merged in the first place. It would only make sense if the entire tree of Category:Animated television programs featuring anthropomorphic characters would be nominated for deletion because featuring anthropomorphic characters is perhaps not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:34, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose The argument is not convincing, since this is supposed to be a subcategory of Category:American animated television series. Dimadick (talk) 17:45, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:One-shot (comics)

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) buidhe</b> 18:59, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:One-shot (comics) to Category:One-shot comics and manga
 * Nominator's rationale: Incorrect scope for the contents, and the original name was malformed anyway (should have been "Category:One-shot comics", since it is a category of comics not a category of "one-shot", which is not a mass noun). As it now also includes a manga subcat, it needs to encompass that, too.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:25, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Oposse Manga are comics. Moving it a plural would good, but adding "manga" is unneeded.★Trekker (talk) 15:32, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - this is a topic category for One-shot (comics) and is correctly singular. It has subcats for individual comics and also for series (which are not 'one-shots', but related to One-shot (comics)). Oculi (talk) 15:44, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - As Trekker said, "comics and manga" is redundant.--Martin IIIa (talk) 14:29, 9 February 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Seats of local government
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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_February_28. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:03, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Seats of local government to Category:City and town halls
 * Nominator's rationale: Seats of local government, the main article for this, redirects to town hall. All subcategories of Category:Seats of local government by country are named 'City and town halls in Fooland', see the rename proposal for that category below this one. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:44, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - Category:City and town halls was renamed to Category:Seats of local government via this cfd in 2010. So there is an alternative case for renaming all the subcats. (Sheffield City Hall is a 'City Hall' but not a seat of government, for instance. I expect there are seats of local government which are not town or city halls.) Oculi (talk) 15:14, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge somehow -- This category should, like Category:Seats of local government by country, be a container, with individual articles distributed to the appropriate country article. It may be appropriate to reverse merge and to rename the national categories to the form of the present article.  However, this may need to be done selectively according to local usage.  In England the Town Hall or City Hall is often a venue for musical and other performances, with local government being conducted from the Council House.  Birmingham Town Hall is a venue, where the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra performed until Symphony Hall, Birmingham was built.  The main council offices are in Birmingham Council House, in part of a building that also houses Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:23, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * how exactly do you propose to merge? That question applies also to the nomination below. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


 * support rename Seat of government is archaic terminology rarely used in other category trees in WP. Hmains (talk) 16:33, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose Not all city halls function as seats of local government; Some are museums. "Town hall" is US-centric. "Seats of local government" exactly describes what is is, not what it may have been at one time. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:27, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Seats of local government by country
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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_February_28. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:04, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Seats of local government by country to Category:City and town halls by country
 * Nominator's rationale: All subcategories here are "City and town halls in Fooland". See also related CfD for parent category I will post in a sec. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:43, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Reverse Merge and rename subcats: See comments on Category:Seats of local government.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:25, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * support rename Seat of government is archaic terminology rarely used in other category trees in WP. And higher level categories should be a summary name of the lower categories, which in in this instance there is no reason to change. Hmains (talk) 16:38, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. Who says it's archaic? It may be old but it's not archaic. Pope is old but still in use. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:29, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Musta'li
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:30, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Musta'li to Category:Musta'li Isma'ilism
 * Nominator's rationale: per main article; "Musta'li" is an adjective, it needs a noun. Constantine  ✍  12:33, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:04, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Former Walt Disney Company subsidiaries
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:31, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Former Walt Disney Company subsidiaries to Category:Former subsidiaries of The Walt Disney Company
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D: Consistency with main article's name Mvcg66b3r (talk) 02:57, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom For consistency reasons. Dimadick (talk) 17:46, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Comenius University faculty
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Comenius University faculty to Category:Academics of Comenius University
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is confusing, because Comenius University also has academic faculties (such as Faculty of Arts, Comenius University). <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 02:14, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Support -- This is a Slovak university. Calling the academic staff faculty is an American usage inappropriate to Europe.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:28, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, most European categories similar like this one are named "faculty". Marcocapelle (talk) 18:07, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I think British universities are increasingly calling what used to be called departments faculties, so I think we should consider this more widely. Rathfelder (talk) 20:50, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - it is Category:Academics by university or college in the United Kingdom, and Rathfelder is largely responsible for the changing of 'academics' to 'faculty' in inappropriate countries such as Zimbabwe, which uses UK-Eng. (In the UK and the Commonwealth, there are and have always been both departments and faculties. See eg https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/faculty and https://www.uz.ac.zw/index.php/faculties-units/science; each faculty is divided into departments.) Moreover Category:Academics by university in Europe was chosen by cfd but changed speedily in 2019 by Rathfelder. Oculi (talk) 23:43, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * This said, it would be better to nominate all of Category:Faculty by university or college in Slovakia for the same change (which I would support). Oculi (talk) 11:43, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per both above arguments, and for more categories to move. While there's a mass- and count-noun distinction here, it not all that clear in a category name, and we shouldn't be imposing a primarily American usage on non-US categories. While there are probably US-English-influenced places like Okinawa and the Philippines where "faculty" is used in English, to the extent English is used, "academics" works fine as a MOS:COMMONALITY alternative.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:03, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Can we agree that Academics of ... is the appropriate term at least in Europe? Rathfelder (talk) 18:44, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds very reasonable indeed. Afterwards we may even expand it globally. According to Faculty, Harvard University has a "faculty of arts and sciences" so faculty is apparently ambiguous in American English. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 14 February 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Actors awarded British knighthoods
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. <b style="color:#4169E1;">Ə</b> XPLICIT  11:31, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Actors awarded British knighthoods to Category:Actors awarded knighthoods
 * Nominator's rationale: None of the other related categories specify "British" in title so I am unsure why this one does. Please see Category:Knights by occupation – these are the subcategories:
 * Actors awarded British knighthoods ← ???
 * Businesspeople awarded knighthoods
 * Lawyers awarded knighthoods
 * Musicians awarded knighthoods‎
 * Politicians awarded knighthoods
 * People in sports awarded knighthoods‎

There are no other categories specifying actors receiving any other type of knighthoods and there are no other subcategories specifying British either. <b style="color: #0066cc;">—Мандичка</b><b style="color: #6600cc;">YO</b> 😜 01:55, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep -- The possibility exists of actors having papal or other knighthoods. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:26, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * There are no categories for papal knighthoods by occupation and if there are actors awarded papal knighthoods, they would belong in Category:Actors awarded knighthoods. <b style="color: #0066cc;">—Мандичка</b><b style="color: #6600cc;">YO</b> 😜 01:35, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, essentially it is a case of WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:18, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Do other countries offer Knighthoods? If so then maybe there should be a split for all the categories.★Trekker (talk) 23:11, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * New Zealand is one country which does. Grutness... wha?   00:16, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * New Zealand is part of the British commonwealth and receives knighthoods bestowed by the Queen, so these are also British knighthoods. Please look at the parent category Category:Knights by occupation to understand.


 * There is an equivalent category, Category:Knights by country, which includes Category:New Zealand knights; the only occupation subcategory is Category:New Zealand politicians awarded knighthoods. This is a subcategory of the above, Politicians awarded knighthoods. <b style="color: #0066cc;">—Мандичка</b><b style="color: #6600cc;">YO</b> 😜 01:35, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * New Zealand knighthoods are not British knighthoods. They are bestowed by the Queen in her capacity as Queen of New Zealand, upon the recommendation of the New Zealand Government, but they are a separate system and have been since the mid 1990s. They run in parallel to the British system (which was also formerly used in New Zealand). Knights in New Zealand are awarded the KNZM or GNZM, not the KBE or KCMG. Grutness... wha?   04:22, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The problem is that New Zealand changed its system, but the systems are similar enough that they are grouped together. As such it makes more sense for NZ if it were to have "Cat: New Zealand foopeople awarded knighthoods", and I suspect the same would be true for other countries. Perhaps might make more sense. FWIW, I can't think of a single NZer who has gained a knighthood for acting, though there are several damehoods (Pat Evison, Kate Harcourt). Grutness...  wha?   22:55, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. And I like Grutness's idea, to the extent subcategories will be needed.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:06, 12 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Support New title makes sense for New Zealand knighthoods and others that are categorized together with the british knighthoods. It's also consistent with other categories. Category:Actresses awarded British damehoods should also be moved for the same reasons, but that's for another nomination. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 13:12, 17 February 2020 (UTC)


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