Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 4



Category:Kings of Dale

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:11, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting kings of dale


 * Nominator's rationale: This is a small category with no potential for growth. Also, Bard is already in the parent category. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 21:13, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Hog Farm (talk) 01:07, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Calling this category "smal" is misleading. This category has one entry.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:38, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Kings of Arnor
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Category:Hybrid elm

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:14, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hybrid elm to Category:Ulmus hybrids
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistency (e.g. with Category:Nepenthes hybrids). DexDor(talk) 21:07, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Support, the names of subcategories of Category:Hybrid plants aren't particularly consistent, but "Foo hybrids" is more frequent than "Hybrid foo(s)". And parent is Category:Ulmus not "Elm".


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Category:Disc golf courses in Canada by province
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Category:Shotgun architecture in Tennessee
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Category:Poisonous fish
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Category:Valve Corporation

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 09:17, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Valve Corporation to Category:Valve
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:COMMONNAME. This would also apply to all subcats. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 09:56, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment, this requires an RM of the main article to begin with. The category name can be speedied thereafter. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:56, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I would expect an RM to be a waste of time as we have the obvious primary meaning Valve; and Valve (disambiguation) has various other competitors for runners-up. Oculi (talk) 12:50, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Unlikely primary topic for "Valve" and would introduce ambiguity as a category title. czar  18:24, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Dota 2 competitions

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:14, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Dota 2 competitions to Category:Dota competitions
 * Nominator's rationale: Omitting the 2 allows for the category to represent the entire franchise (Dota) instead of a single game. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 09:56, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Makes sense to abstract to series rather than specific game. (But what competitions would be added here that don't currently qualify for the category?) czar  18:31, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Portal (video game series)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:15, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Portal (video game series) to Category:Portal (series)
 * Nominator's rationale: To follow the main article's format, Portal (series). ~ Dissident93 (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 09:56, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:58, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename. This was moved here in 2018 ("WP:INCDAB per existence of Portal (TV series)") but I don't think ambiguity with the TV series is an issue. czar  18:30, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Danish philosophy
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. <b style="color:#4169E1;">Ə</b> XPLICIT  11:18, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting danish philosophy


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only contains the main article and a subcategory. The main article can be referred to in the header of the subcategory page. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:18, 27 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. Possibly populate? Given the size of the category on Kierkegaard, I suspect that other subcategories (such as ) might be worthwhile subcats. Grutness... wha?   00:04, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * We do not have any category with Books by philosophers of a certain nationality. Besides I presume that Danish philosophy refers to a certain school rather than to a certain nationality (although the article is not that clear about it). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:38, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. If there is a Danish school, the main article hides it well. Johnbod (talk) 00:20, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep and populate. I've found one article, and I'd be surprised if there weren't a few others lurking about. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:51, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That article is already in the Kierkegaard subcategory. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:02, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep for the subcategory and the two pages the category already holds and because Denmark of course has a philosophical tradition and history, even if Wikipedia so far failed to further elaborate it. Eissink (talk) 01:19, 1 January 2020 (UTC).
 * It would be great if you could expand the main article regarding this tradition. How is Danish philosophy different from English or German philosophy? Currently the article does not address that question at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:18, 1 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep per Eissink. The category and corresponding article can be populated and expanded with this source. Krakkos (talk) 22:26, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That source isn't very promising: "it has always been part of mainstream European philosophy". So is Danish philosophy even a notable topic in its own right? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 03:04, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. The Danish version of Danish philosophy is da:Dansk filosofi, which is more Philosophy in Denmark than the description of a Danish school. I don't know if we need such an article, but since the concept itself is in question, I see no further use for the category as category:Danish philosophers should be sufficient in this regard. czar  18:19, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete -- The main article (little more than a stub) can become the main article of the one subcat, provided we can avoid orphaning that. I agree Philosophy in Denmark is the proper title for the main article: philosophy is a universal subject, at least across the occidental world.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:24, 10 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Kurdish terrorism
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The NPOV concerns have not been sufficiently addressed by those wanting to keep the category. MER-C 09:10, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting kurdish terrorism


 * Nominator's rationale: Category was created by an editor who was blocked for vandalism. Also, a bit rich to equate the actions of Kurdish groups with the ethnicity (which is also OR). Moreover, since we don't have Category:Turkish terrorism or Category:Arab terrorism for the actions of Kemalists and Ba'athists, we shouldn't have this category either. Semsurî (talk) 21:35, 27 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. 19 pages are in this category and it is very helpful. 115.124.156.109 (talk) 21:45, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, we already have the tree of Category:Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present) for this type of content. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:53, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, there are no good reasons to delete this category who is used very often. Marcel Schelzer (talk) 01:24, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you think that the reasons that were given are not "good", you should indicate why you think they aren't good. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:41, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep: We need such a category in cases connected to Kurdish terrorism. — Neutrale Person (talk) 03:32, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep: This category should not be deleted because... this category is part of the Category:Nationalist terrorism and Category:Terrorism by perpetrator series. There are also categories for Christian Terrorism, Zionist terrorism, Islamic terrorism, Palestianian terrorism...and Arab Terrorism'''.Shadow4dark (talk) 06:36, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:OSE, probably most of these should go as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, it goes against Wikipedia's rules of original research since 'Kurdish terrorism' is not mentioned in the references of the articles where this category is used. Two of the editors who voted keep, also have troubling edit pasts in Kurdish-related articles and tend to oppose me on everything - perhaps an admin should look into that, since it affects the vote. --Semsurî (talk) 12:09, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I just see one ip blocked usser. But why we should delete whole catagroy you should delte some pages like this one wich is February 2016 Diyarbakır bombing against military personnel and not civilians. But this one is a clear terrorist attack according sources Blue Market massacre Shadow4dark (talk) 22:11, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You are not citing any sources here, but even if you would have done so it would not impress. In a conflict between two parties not many sources are neutral. The best we can do is categorize articles by conflict rather than by anyone's terrorism. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:33, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete. I'm afraid the nominator's point is being missed here: This is a WP:NPOV issue. It's why we have Category:Jewish religious terrorism and why Category:Jewish terrorism redirects. Unless the terrorism is said to be done (by reliable sources) in the name of the ethnicity, then the title is inaccurate and casts aspersions. We already have categories for Category:Kurdistan Workers' Party attacks and Category:Kurdistan Freedom Hawks attacks so which remaining attacks do not fit in those two categories yet are still terrorism with some "defining" connection to a Kurdish cause? We can work backwards from there. (I partly wonder whether this category was created as a parent for those two categories and just collected cruft via creep; in any event, we have the conflict parent category for that purpose, as marco said.) czar  08:23, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Terrorism that is committed with national motive is a real fact. Kurdish organizations, especially in Turkey, resort to terrorism. So, nothing wrong in keeping this category in line with other ethnicities like Category:Palestinian terrorism, Category:Hindu terrorism.--Sakiv (talk) 18:22, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Both of those links are redirects. We don't paint ethnicities with such a broad brush. If the terrorism is described as coming from, as you said, "Kurdish organizations", the category would be something like "Kurdish organization terrorism". But we already have those individual categories. The question is what articles do not fit into those pre-existing categories. czar  19:02, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * (Note that Sakiv's post has been edited.) The two aforementioned categories do not match the titles of their associated articles: Palestinian terrorism → Palestinian political violence; Hindu terrorism → Saffron terror. I would nominate those two categories for renaming as well. czar  23:16, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 03:04, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep many articles are related to this category. It should not be deleted. 1.241.253.149 (talk) 20:41, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. It is indeed an WP:NPOV issue. Designated by whom as terrorist? Oculi (talk) 13:39, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete an unfixable WP:POV issue, per nom. & Oculi. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:39, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete -- There has undoubtedly been terrorism by Kurdish groups in Turkey in the face of oppression by the Turkish state. However, it seems to have become the custom in the Middle East to brand any kind of political opposition as terrorism, which clearly lacks NPOV.  "Terrorism by Kurdish groups" might conceivably be defensible as a container, but I am not sure that is useful, due to POV issues.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:29, 10 January 2020 (UTC)


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