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Category:Construction grammar

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:04, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting construction grammar


 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only two pages: the head article Construction grammar, and concision. Both are already well-categorised, so no need to merge.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:15, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Steve Dahl songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:04, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting steve dahl songs


 * Nominator's rationale: Two redirects only, no help or assistance to readers. Richhoncho (talk) 21:54, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:49, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Balasagan
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Category:Mazun
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Category:Conservation Security Program

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:04, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting conservation security program


 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the head article Conservation Security Program and Carson Desert.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:11, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT, meanwhile one more article has been added but on the other hand Carson Desert belongs in a list rather than in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:54, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Mathematicians by ethnicity

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete Also upmerging Category:Sri Lankan Tamil mathematicians.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:47, 16 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting:
 * Category:Mathematicians by ethnicity
 * and all but one of its subcategories
 * Category:Arab mathematicians‎
 * Category:Basque mathematicians‎
 * Category:Ethnic Armenian mathematicians‎
 * Category:Kurdish mathematicians‎
 * Category:Sinhalese mathematicians‎
 * Category:Tamil mathematicians‎
 * Category:Sri Lankan Tamil mathematicians
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:OCEGRS, WP:NONDEFINING, and WP:SMALLCAT. The one remaining subcategory of the top-level category, Category:African-American mathematicians‎, is omitted from this proposal for two reasons: first, and more importantly, it is already under discussion, but second, I believe that it is qualitatively different, as an ethnic group of mathematicians that is notable as an intersection: there are multiple books about it, and a major national organization for it. In these other cases, that is not true. The subcategories of Arab mathematicians are nationalities (or in the case of "Medieval Arab mathematicians‎", a cultural milieu and one that is central to the history of mathematics) rather than ethnicities, so they can stay as national categories; I have not listed them. The ethnic sub-subcategories of Medieval Arab mathematicians‎ can be considered separately; they're too different from the modern ethnic categories to be considered in the same CfD. Possibly Category:Sri Lankan Tamil mathematicians should be upmerged to Category:Sri Lankan mathematicians rather than simply deleted. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:21, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Neutral, so long as no harm is done to Category:Medieval Arab mathematicians, which as @David Eppstein notes is central to the history of mathematics; see Mathematics in medieval Islam. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete (or merge Category:Sri Lankan Tamil mathematicians), seemingly straightforward case of WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all per WP:OCEGRS. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:39, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Indian legal films

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  00:53, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Indian legal films to Category:Indian legal drama films
 * Nominator's rationale: To match the article legal drama. Kailash29792 (talk)  15:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Note that not all legal films are dramas, so I would oppose any proposal to rename the full set. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose unless sibling categories are nominated as well. It is not helpful to have the Indian category named differerently than in other countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Marcocapelle. The current title is consistent with all the other subcats of Category:Legal films by country, and the nominator @Kailash29792 offers no reason to treat India differently.
 * Oppose as a one-off, but would definitely recommend renaming the entire tree - unless someone points out what illegal films we have articles for on Wikipedia. Grutness... wha?   04:49, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Troublesome Night
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Category:Railway stations located underground in Boston

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:49, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Railway stations located underground in Boston to Category:Railway stations located underground in Massachusetts
 * Nominator's rationale: All the contents of the parent category is in the immediate area of Boston, making categorization for Boston less relevant. The category still may have been necessary if oversized categories were an issue; however, upmerging this category would keep the parent at 31 pages. 147.161.12.52 (talk) 08:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Oppose. A quock look at Category:Railway stations located underground in Massachusetts shows that Alewife station is not in Boston. So the two categories don't have identical scope. There is no benefit in losing the specificity of the Boston category. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 08:38, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Alt rename to Category:Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority stations located underground or Category:MBTA stations located underground. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mdaniels5757 (talk) 15:15, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Dashboard.wikiedu.org courses, New College of Floirda

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Because this is generated by wikiedu, it does not really seem to be in CFD's purview., did you ever get to figure out what was up with this page?  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dashboard.wikiedu.org courses, new college of floirda


 * Nominator's rationale: 1. Category is misspelled (Floirda instead of Florida)

2. Only one page in this category. Jacona (talk) 13:32, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose deletion per WP:SMALLCAT. This is part of the established series Category:Dashboard.wikiedu.org course pages by institution. No objection in principle to renaming, but in practice that requires some template tweaking.  Maybe the page's creator User:Sarah Hernandez New College can fix the page ... but since this is a maintenance category used by WikiEDU, it's not worth CFD's attention.  Let WikiEDU fix it ... if it matters to them.  --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:21, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * is this related to Education Working Group? Because this group is meanwhile inactive. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:22, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle, I have no idea who creates the pages in these categories. I just know that the pages get created on en.wp by some automated process and are overwritten by the version on on some other server (I forget which), so there is nothing we can do to change the category names. Moving the category page will just leave us with a non-empty redlinked category. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 08:36, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * is any of you aware of the mechanism behind these categories and can you help in this discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 11:51, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what's going on with this cat, but I'll find out. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:38, 24 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Czechoslovak government-in-exile

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  00:54, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting czechoslovak government-in-exile

Theoretically, the category could be populated with members of the Czechoslovak government-in-exile ...but the head article lists only two of them, which wouldn't make a viable category. No objection to re-creating the category if and when it can be populated with at least five actual members of the govt. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:32, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the head article Czechoslovak government-in-exile plus one one biog: Arnošt Frischer, who wasn't a member of the govt.
 * Keep Frischer was a member of the legislative body of the government. We also have articles on their military forces (which I've added to the category) and other notable members of the government (Edvard Benes, for instance) some of whom are listed in the article Cabinet of the Czechoslovak government-in-exile, which I also added to the category. The solution was obviously populating the category, not deleting it. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  11:40, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Members of the Czechoslovak government-in-exile which can easily be populated. The two topic articles can be mentioned in a "see also" note on the category page. The military units do not really belong, as they were RAF units. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:40, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * keep and not rename. It now has its one subcat (not all RAF) and 11 articles Hmains (talk) 22:19, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * All additional articles are biographies so it does suggest creating Category:Members of the Czechoslovak government-in-exile. The military units weren't all RAF but they were not under control of the government in exile either, the subcategory really does not belong here. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:45, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , They were the de jure armed forces of the government in exile, even if de facto under other control. Dewiki has an article de:Tschechoslowakische Exilarmee, which is completely supported by sourcing (for example ). (t &#183; c)  buidhe  05:45, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You are right, the British units of the Czechoslovak army were based on an agreement with the government in exile. Then, instead of renaming, create a subcategory for members of the government in exile. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: The WP:SMALLCAT argument makes no sense, since there is obvious possibility for the creation of more articles within it in the future. Plenty of potential officials, politicians, broadcasters, soldiers etc. who were associated to it. —Brigade Piron (talk) 14:49, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep -- This is now parenting two categories and three articles; and there is no obvious merge target. I think it is unkind to say that Czech forces in British pay during WWII were not forces of the exiled government. Even if they were in practice under British orders, three was probably a mechanism for referring to their own government if put upon.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:38, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Czarniecki

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:11, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose either:
 * deleting Category:Czarniecki
 * renaming Category:Czarniecki to Category:Czarniecki family
 * Nominator's rationale: this is an eponymous category for the Polish Czarniecki family, so if kept it should be renamed to match the head article. The title Czarniecki is about the surname.
 * However, it would be better to delete the category per WP:SMALLCAT, since it contains only three pages: the head article Czarniecki family, plus two biogs. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:20, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:41, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Captain America (1979 film series)

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Captain America films. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 16:22, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Captain America (1979 film series) to Category:Captain America films
 * Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT ★Trekker (talk) 09:46, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom and per WP:SMALLCAT. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:33, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Beverly Hills Cop

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:55, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Beverly Hills Cop to Category:Beverly Hills Cop (franchise)
 * Nominator's rationale: Franchise article should be main article. ★Trekker (talk) 09:44, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nominator. The article currently at Beverly Hills Cop should also be renamed, to Beverly Hills Cop (1984 film). --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:24, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:19, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Bloodsport films

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:55, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Bloodsport films to Category:Bloodsport (film series)
 * Nominator's rationale: "Bloodsport" as a general term can refer to several sports, while this category is only for a specific film series. ★Trekker (talk) 09:40, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nominator, to disambiguate it from, which redirects to Blood sport. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Angel films
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:56, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Angel films to Category:Angel (film series)
 * Nominator's rationale: "Angel films" is very ambigious, could easily be confused with films about mythological angels. ★Trekker (talk) 09:23, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nominator, to clarify its scope. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:28, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Pokhara geography stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete category and stub. General agreement that Kaski-geo-stub is the better option.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:56, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Pokhara geography stubs to Category:Gandaki Pradesh geography stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: What would be its parent category, Category:Kaski district geography stubs is currently upmerged to Category:Gandaki Pradesh geography stubs through because it doesn't have enough articles to merit existence. So, this category is (probably) about a 100 years too early. Propose merging it to the existing (grand-)parent and deleting it. I have chosen "Merge" in Twinkle; what I mean is moving articles to the target and deleting it. Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:49, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge, not enough articles in this stub category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:43, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose correct me if I'm wrong, but from my vantage point 11 entries is does not qualify as WP:SMALLCAT or "not enough articles" as the above !voter states, unless there is a greater expectation for stub categories. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 21:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Maintenance categories have different requirements to other categories. Anything under 60 articles is regarded as too small for stubbing purposes. See here. Grutness... wha?   04:53, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Create and upmerge there. Both category and template (which itself is hardly needed yet) have been created without discussion, but together with Kaski-geo-stub there would be about 70 articles. Grutness...  wha?   04:53, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * If this number is correct then this is by far the best solution. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:22, 15 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Re-tag articles as Kaski-geo-stub and delete Pokhara-geo-stub and . There was a wide-ranging proposal about region/district/province stub cats recently at WikiProject Stub sorting and district-level stubs were the smallest administrative division agreed upon. Her Pegship (I'm listening) 00:23, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That is also a good solution. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 17 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Iron Eagle
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:56, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Iron Eagle to Category:Iron Eagle (film series)
 * Nominator's rationale: Not only about the first film, so disambig should be used. ★Trekker (talk) 08:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nominator, to clarify its scope. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:29, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:29, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Natural monuments of Slovenia
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:12, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting natural monuments of slovenia


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining - none of the articles in the category that I've looked at (e.g. Bled Castle, Krn, Triglav) even mention this characteristic and Natural monuments of Slovenia/Natural monument of Slovenia are redlinks. All the articles I checked are categorized more apprpriately (e.g. as a mountain). DexDor(talk) 05:05, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The whole Category:Natural monuments by country should be nominated. The main article is Natural monument. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree that much of the tree should probably be CFDed, but a big CFD risks having complications (e.g. people oppose saying its a "trainwreck" rather than for substantive reasons) whilst some editors could still say that they'd prefer an even bigger CFD (e.g. including Category:Cultural monuments of Slovenia etc). The Natural monument article doesn't say much and doesn't say anything about Slovenia. DexDor(talk) 13:23, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It looks like the Natural monument and IUCN protected area categories articles are outdated. Natural monuments were, according to these articles, a classification used by the International Union for Conservation of Nature. However, on the website of that organization I can now only a find a much shorter list of Green List areas. In any case I support deletion, it is a sort of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:07, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It appears we have both been at this topic before, see this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Stick to Your Guns albums
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:56, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Stick to Your Guns albums to Category:Stick to Your Guns (band) albums
 * Nominator's rationale: The article is named Stick to Your Guns (band). Jax 0677 (talk) 04:55, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per WP:C2D. @Jax 0677: no need for a discussion. This should have been listed at WP:CFDS. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 *  Reply - I am open to a speedy retitle. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


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