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Category:Detective writers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Detective fiction writers etc.  bibliomaniac  1  5  21:52, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Detective writers to Category:Mystery writers
 * Propose merging Category:Detective writers by nationality to Category:Mystery writers by nationality
 * Propose merging Category:American detective writers to Category:American mystery writers
 * Propose merging Category:British detective writers to Category:British mystery writers
 * Propose merging Category:French detective writers to Category:French mystery writers
 * Propose merging Category:Japanese detective writers to Category:Japanese mystery writers
 * Propose renaming Category:Bengali detective writers to Category:Bengali mystery writers
 * Propose renaming Category:German detective writers to Category:German mystery writers
 * Nominator's rationale: Since mystery literature virtually always features detectives of either the amateur or professional varieties, and detective literature virtually always involves the protagonist attempting to solve a mystery, I'm struggling to wrap my head around where the meaningful or categorizable distinction would land between a "detective writer" and a "mystery writer". I'm just not seeing a reason why we need two separate trees here. Bearcat (talk) 22:57, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Procedural oppose. If this needs to be discussed, Category:Detective fiction should be the primary subject of the discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:09, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * oppose Per main article mystery fiction: "Mystery fiction can be contrasted with hardboiled detective stories, which focus on action and gritty realism." Not the same genre. Dimadick (talk) 09:20, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I would have put Category:Detective writers as a subcat of Category:Mystery writers. I expect we could find a mystery devoid of detectives. Oculi (talk) 11:15, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - A mystery is not the same thing as a work of detective literature. The claim that "mystery literature virtually always features detectives" is completely false. The ones that feature detectives are detective literature. Mysteries can involve people who are not detectives as well, and simply being involved in a mystery does not make someone a detective. --Nicholas0 (talk) 15:05, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per opposers - "mystery" is not really a term used for fiction in the UK; we have detective novels etc. Seems American English, and I suspect rather dated AE at that. I think few British English readers would suspect that mystery fiction meant detective stories. There is, rightly, a separate Detective fiction main article, not to mention sub-genres like Police procedural. The mystery fiction article title and scope should probably be looked at - it may be ok for magazine stories from 70+ years ago, which it mostly covers, but I suspect is not the right term for the last 40 years, even in American.  Or perhaps the article is ok, but the "mystery" category tree casts its net far wider, & should be massively redistributed - certainly not added to.  Johnbod (talk) 20:27, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to etc as the main article is Detective fiction. Armbrust The Homunculus 17:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to per Armbrust....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 18:28, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to etc., per Armbrust. My earlier procedural oppose does not apply to this alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Girls x Heroine! television series

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 10:37, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Girls x Heroine! television series to Category:Girls × Heroine! television series
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2A (all of the series use the "×" symbol) Nicholas0 (talk) 21:39, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:19, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Mirzapur (TV series)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:46, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mirzapur (tv series)


 * Nominator's rationale: Unclear why we need a category for single article, given its also unlikely that it will ever expand. Ab207 (talk) 16:47, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete per WP:C2F, could have been listed at WP:CFDS. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:37, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Components of a chemical plant

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:46, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Components of a chemical plant
 * Nominator's rationale: This category functions as a grouping container for its 'contents' rather than a classification mechanism --Hooperbloob (talk) 15:11, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Hardys
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 17%23Category:Hardys

Category:Songs from Frozen II

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  21:54, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Songs from Frozen II to Category:Songs from Frozen (franchise)‎
 * Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT. Only four articles, no need for this. ★Trekker (talk) 07:37, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Every article is already in the target category too, so there is nothing to upmerge. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Makes sense. Shuipzv3 (talk) 06:42, 30 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Ocean's Eleven

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:55, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ocean's Eleven to Category:Ocean's (film series)
 * Nominator's rationale: Film series article makes more sense as main article. ★Trekker (talk) 07:06, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Support The main article of the category is Ocean's (film series), and remove Ocean's 11 (as that’s not part of the series). Armbrust The Homunculus 07:17, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support but the nom has Oceans's, not Ocean's. Oculi (talk) 12:38, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support and remove the Rat Pack film per Armbrust (though it's a shame there's not some way to include it). Grutness... wha?   15:28, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


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Black Lunch Table

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename/merge. MER-C 10:39, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Black Lunch Table to Category:Wikipedia Black Lunch Table
 * Propose renaming Category:Black Lunch Table 2020 to Category:Wikipedia Black Lunch Table 2020
 * Propose merging Category:BLT Bingo to Category:Wikipedia Black Lunch Table
 * Propose renaming Category: Plants And People to Category:Wikipedia Plants And People
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename for consistency with other sub-categories of Category:Wikipedia meetups. The BLT Bingo sub-cat contains only one page, although 3 more could be added; it should be merged, or renamed to Category:Wikipedia Black Lunch Table Bingo. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:02, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2C or WP:C2B. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:48, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


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Post-traumatic stress disorder categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename. WP:INVOLVED does not matter in unopposed speedy cases. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:38, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Posttraumatic stress disorder in fiction to Category:Post-traumatic stress disorder in fiction
 * Propose renaming Category:Novels about posttraumatic stress disorder to Category:Novels about post-traumatic stress disorder
 * Propose renaming Category:Television episodes about posttraumatic stress disorder to Category:Television episodes about post-traumatic stress disorder
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional characters with posttraumatic stress disorder to Category:Fictional characters with post-traumatic stress disorder
 * Propose renaming Category:Films about posttraumatic stress disorder to Category:Films about post-traumatic stress disorder
 * Propose renaming Category:People with posttraumatic stress disorder to Category:People with post-traumatic stress disorder
 * Nominator's rationale: The page Post-traumatic stress disorder was just hyphenated as per the page consensus. Since these categories all refer to post-traumatic stress disorder (and that page is ultimately the one behind their name), we should rename these categories to stay consistent. It is sloppy to a page named Post-traumatic stress disorder, while the categories directly referring to it use a different spelling (even though a clear consensus said to hyphenate the article). Pinging everyone from the PTSD article renaming discussion (as this is a clear extension of that discussion).              I-82-I  &#124;  TALK  06:57, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This should be fun. You've pinged all these people for this!! -Roxy the elfin dog . wooF 07:45, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Who else was I supposed to notify? You are the most logical people to ping, having participated in a very similar discussion. I didn't want to only ping some and get accused of meatpuppetry (rightfully so). This is fairly obscure, and would have sat here empty had I not done this.  I-82-I &#124;  TALK  10:33, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename WP:C2D following the RM at Talk:Post-traumatic_stress_disorder. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:56, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I had attempted to do this earlier, but it was objected to by Armbrust.  I-82-I &#124;  TALK  10:31, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It was purely procedural, the speedy renaming needs that the categories are tagged (similarly how you tagged the categories for this discussion). Armbrust The Homunculus 10:49, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, you meant it in that sense. This was a misunderstanding by me then. When you opposed the rename, I thought it was because I incorrectly used the C2D tag incorrectly, not that I had merely not put tags on the categories. Anyway, I guess these categories will just get renamed soon when it gets closed due to the unanimous consensus.  I-82-I &#124;  TALK  19:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, following the page move. Oculi (talk) 13:52, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, of course. GPinkerton (talk) 14:46, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support To match the main article. 15:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC)Dimadick (talk)
 * Support.  - Mark D Worthen PsyD   (talk)   (I'm a man—traditional male pronouns are fine.)  00:11, 24 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Otus

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to option A.  bibliomaniac  1  5  02:31, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:
 * Option A
 * Category:Otus to Category:Otus (bird)
 * Option B
 * Category:Otus to Category:Scops owl
 * Nominator's rationale: The bare title Otus is a disambiguation page, so some renaming is needed. The head article is Scops owl, and the scientific name Otus (bird) redirects there. I am not sure which to use. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 05:46, 24 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Just Otus please, none of the other entries in the disambig would make sense as categories. Otus (owl) if you must (all members of Otus are owls), the scientific name is key is taxonomic classification and Wikipedia's categories following taxonomic Class/Order/Family/Genus and are organized the same way as the scientific names.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 11:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * plenty of the other topics listed at Otus would make viable categories if there is enough coverage of them. The long-standing principle of category names is that they should be no more ambiguous than the equivalent article, so the bare title Otus isn't acceptable.  The question is how to disambiguate, and the general principle of WP:PRECISION is to disambiguate only as far as needed.  Otus (bird) can apply only to the owl, so we don't need greater precision. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to avoid ambiguity. I do not have a preference between the "(bird)" or "(owl)" disambiguator. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename by option B per leading article and name of all included items. gidonb (talk) 00:15, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Eostrix is right that Wikipedia's species categories are organized by scientific name, rather than by the title of the main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It doesn't make WP more readable or less cluttered. The leading article convention is a good convention, also for categories of species. gidonb (talk) 08:29, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  06:06, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per option A. The problem with Category:Otus is that any of the other things listed at Otus could be added by editors who edit quickly and without circumspection. Oculi (talk) 12:44, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


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