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Category:Macedonian politicians by party

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Macedonian politicians by party to Category:North Macedonian politicians by party
 * Nominator's rationale: new official name of the country per the Prespa agreement. HapHaxion (talk / contribs) 19:58, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose on its own. 2019_February_16#North_Macedonia_category_list replaced instances of 'Republic of Macedonia' with North Macedonia but did not address 'Macedonian', so we still have, where a rename should start. In any case might be preferable. Oculi (talk) 22:52, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * In this case, it is referring to the nationality, rather than the ethnicity, which to my understanding is to be left as simply Macedonian. HapHaxion (talk / contribs) 00:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, unfortunately we have to decide on a case-by-case basis whether categories are ethnic or national. This one is clearly national. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No - we have Category:Ethnic Macedonian people for the ethnicity. is for the nationality; part of . Oculi (talk) 12:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * should eventually disappear, as it should be dispersed between ethnicity and North Macedonian nationality. But we need to check the contents of every subcategory carefully on whether it is really about North Macedonian nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. These are politicians of the political unit now termed "North Macedonia"; it's not for those in the Greek administered areas; it's not for Alexander the Great and his contemporaries (give or take a few centuries). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:16, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Would also support an alt that removes the tyranny of demonyms such as Category:Politicians of North Macedonia by party. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support but purge if necessary any from (the Greek province of) South Macedonia. I suspect that there will in fact be no one to purge, as Greece does not accept (in practice) Macedonian as a distinct ethnicity within its borders.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Macedonian politicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Macedonian politicians to Category:North Macedonian politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: new official name of the country per the Prespa agreement. HapHaxion (talk / contribs) 19:57, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose - see above. Oculi (talk) 22:53, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per above. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:16, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per above and alt. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:40, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * To be closed to match item above. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)


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Settlements in Sri Lanka by DS Division

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge/Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 21:44, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Cities in Sri Lanka by DS Division
 * Propose deleting Category:Towns in Sri Lanka by DS Division
 * Propose deleting Category:Villages in Sri Lanka by DS Division
 * Propose merging Category:Cities in Anuradhapura DS Division to Category:Cities in Anuradhapura District
 * Propose merging Category:Cities in Dambulla DS Division to Category:Cities in Matale District
 * Propose merging Category:Cities in Galle DS Division to Category:Cities in Galle District
 * Propose merging Category:Cities in Jaffna DS Division to Category:Cities in Jaffna District


 * Propose merging Category:Cities in Kalmunai Tamil DS Division to Category:Cities in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Cities in Kalmunai Muslim DS Division to Category:Cities in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Cities in Kandy DS Division to Category:Cities in Kandy District
 * Propose merging Category:Cities in Manmunai North DS Division to Category:Cities in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Cities in Nallur DS Division to Category:Cities in Jaffna District
 * Propose merging Category:Cities in Negombo DS Division to Category:Cities in Gampaha District
 * Propose merging Category:Cities in Ratnapura DS Division to Category:Cities in Ratnapura District
 * Propose merging Category:Cities in Sainthamaruthu DS Division to Category:Cities in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Cities in Trincomalee Town and Gravets DS Division to Category:Cities in Trincomalee District
 * Propose merging Category:Cities in Vavuniya DS Division to Category:Cities in Vavuniya District


 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Addalaichenai DS Division to Category:Towns in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Akkaraipattu DS Division to Category:Towns in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Ambalangoda DS Division to Category:Towns in Galle District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Ampara DS Division to Category:Towns in Ampara District


 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Badulla DS Division to Category:Towns in Badulla District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Bandarawela DS Division to Category:Towns in Badulla District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Eravur Town DS Division to Category:Towns in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Eravurpattu DS Division to Category:Towns in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Gampaha DS Division to Category:Towns in Gampaha District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Hambantota DS Division to Category:Towns in Hambantota District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Horana DS Division to Category:Towns in Kalutara District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Ja-Ela DS Division to Category:Towns in Gampaha District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Kalutara DS Division to Category:Towns in Kalutara District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Kandavalai DS Division to Category:Towns in Kilinochchi District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Kantalai DS Division to Category:Towns in Trincomalee District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Karachchi DS Division to Category:Towns in Kilinochchi District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Kattankudy DS Division to Category:Towns in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Kegalle DS Division to Category:Towns in Kegalle District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Kinniya DS Division to Category:Towns in Trincomalee District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Koralaipattu Central DS Division to Category:Towns in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Koralaipattu DS Division to Category:Towns in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Koralaipattu North DS Division to Category:Towns in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Koralaipattu South DS Division to Category:Towns in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Koralaipattu West DS Division to Category:Towns in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Kuchchaveli DS Division to Category:Towns in Trincomalee District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Kurunegala DS Division to Category:Towns in Kurunegala District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Lahugala DS Division to Category:Towns in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Madhu DS Division to Category:Towns in Mannar District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Manmunai South and Eruvilpattu DS Division to Category:Towns in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Manmunai West DS Division to Category:Towns in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Mannar DS Division to Category:Towns in Mannar District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Manthai West DS Division to Category:Towns in Mannar District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Maritimepattu DS Division to Category:Towns in Mullaitivu District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Matale DS Division to Category:Towns in Matale District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Matara DS Division to Category:Towns in Matara District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Monaragala DS Division to Category:Towns in Monaragala District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Muttur DS Division to Category:Towns in Trincomalee District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Nanaddan DS Division to Category:Towns in Mannar District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Navithanveli DS Division to Category:Towns in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Nuwara Eliya DS Division to Category:Towns in Nuwara Eliya District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Oddusuddan DS Division to Category:Towns in Mullaitivu District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Pachchilaipalli DS Division to Category:Towns in Kilinochchi District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Panadura DS Division to Category:Towns in Kalutara District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Poonakary DS Division to Category:Towns in Kilinochchi District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Porativupattu DS Division to Category:Towns in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Pottuvil DS Division to Category:Towns in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Puthukkudiyiruppu DS Division to Category:Towns in Mullaitivu District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Sainthamaruthu DS Division to Category:Towns in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Sammanthurai DS Division to Category:Towns in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Tangalle DS Division to Category:Towns in Hambantota District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Thamankaduwa DS Division to Category:Towns in Polonnaruwa District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Thampalakamam DS Division to Category:Towns in Trincomalee District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Thirukkovil DS Division to Category:Towns in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Thunukkai DS Division to Category:Towns in Mullaitivu District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Vavuniya DS Division to Category:Towns in Vavuniya District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Vavuniya North DS Division to Category:Towns in Vavuniya District
 * Propose merging Category:Towns in Venkalacheddikulam DS Division to Category:Towns in Vavuniya District


 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Irakkamam DS Division to Category:Villages in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Islands North DS Division to Category:Villages in Jaffna District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Islands South DS Division to Category:Villages in Jaffna District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Kandavalai DS Division to Category:Villages in Kilinochchi District


 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Karachchi DS Division to Category:Villages in Kilinochchi District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Karaitivu DS Division to Category:Villages in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Koralaipattu West DS Division to Category:Villages in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Kuchchaveli DS Division to Category:Villages in Trincomalee District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Lahugala DS Division to Category:Villages in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Manmunai North DS Division to Category:Villages in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Manmunai South and Eruvilpattu DS Division to Category:Villages in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Manmunai South West DS Division to Category:Villages in Batticaloa District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Mannar DS Division to Category:Villages in Mannar District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Manthai East DS Division to Category:Villages in Mullaitivu District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Manthai West DS Division to Category:Villages in Mannar District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Maritimepattu DS Division to Category:Villages in Mullaitivu District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Nanaddan DS Division to Category:Villages in Mannar District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Nallur DS Division to Category:Villages in Jaffna District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Oddusuddan DS Division to Category:Villages in Mullaitivu District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Pachchilaipalli DS Division to Category:Villages in Kilinochchi District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Padiyathalawa DS Division to Category:Villages in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Puthukkudiyiruppu DS Division to Category:Villages in Mullaitivu District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Thirukkovil DS Division to Category:Villages in Ampara District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Trincomalee Town and Gravets DS Division to Category:Villages in Trincomalee District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Vadamarachchi North DS Division to Category:Villages in Jaffna District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Vadamarachchi South West DS Division to Category:Villages in Jaffna District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Valikamam East DS Division to Category:Villages in Jaffna District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Valikamam North DS Division to Category:Villages in Jaffna District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Valikamam South DS Division to Category:Villages in Jaffna District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Valikamam South West DS Division to Category:Villages in Jaffna District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Valikamam West DS Division to Category:Villages in Jaffna District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Verugal and Eachchalampattu DS Division to Category:Villages in Trincomalee District


 * Nominator's rationale: merge from 3rd level country subdivisions to 2nd level country subdivisions, per WP:SMALLCAT, most categories contain only one or two populated places. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:51, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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Category:Suburbs in Jaffna DS Division

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 21:46, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting suburbs in jaffna ds division


 * Propose deleting category


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, overlaps with Category:Suburbs of Jaffna. It makes more sense to categorize suburbs by a city than by a country subdivision. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:09, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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Sports trophies and awards by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:15, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Turkish sports trophies and awards to Category:Turkish awards (or other national awards)

Also nominating:
 * Category:Brazilian sports trophies and awards
 * Category:Lebanese sports trophies and awards (plus Category:Lebanese awards by subject)
 * Category:Malaysian sports trophies and awards
 * Category:Philippine sports trophies and awards


 * Nominator's rationale: For Turkey 1 article, no categories. In the other cases various really low counts. Proposing upmerge into the relevant parent categories per WP:SMALLCAT and WP:TOOEARLY. Without prejudice against re-creation after sufficient articles are added to WP. gidonb (talk) 16:09, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Procedural relisting: The other categories in this nomination were not tagged until today.
 * Manual triple merge per WP:SMALLCAT. The so-called smallcat exception rule does not count, the large majority of countries are not in this tree altogether, and the countries that are in this tree are usually very poorly populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:24, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

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Speculative fiction awards by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:05, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging israeli speculative fiction awards into Category:Speculative fiction awards

Also propose upmerging:
 * Category:Croatian speculative fiction awards‎ (1 P)
 * Category:French speculative fiction awards‎ (1 C)
 * Category:Persian speculative fiction awards‎ (1 P)
 * Category:Dutch speculative fiction awards‎ (1 P)
 * Category:Polish speculative fiction awards‎ (1 C)


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Could also have been merged into Category:Israeli literary awards weren't that the single item in this category is already there. The double, triple etc upmerge should be checked by country. gidonb (talk) 16:26, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Procedural relisting: The other 5 categories listed here were not tagged until today.
 * Manual triple merge per WP:SMALLCAT. The so-called smallcat exception rule does not count, the large majority of countries are not in this tree altogether, and the countries that are in this tree are usually very poorly populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * merge. Small categories are nuisance. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:05, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Comment. As long as Category:Polish science fiction awards is kept (it has 3 entries), I have no big objections, but I think such categories are helpful for navigation. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:01, 24 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Lancaster Bible College
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lancaster bible college


 * Nominator's rationale: Category for itself; don't see reason for existence Iseult   Δx parlez moi 09:53, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:44, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:49, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:C2F. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:56, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete if nothing else in cat now, delete. (creator of cat) Billcasey905 (talk) 20:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional war heroes
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional war heroes


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, it is too subjective to determine who is a war "hero". Note that the first article is already in Category:Fictional Iraq War veterans. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:39, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator and per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:54, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Unlike Category:Heroes or Category:Fictional revolutionaries, this is not well-defined enough even for a fictional character. Isn't Luke Skywalker, not Obi-Wan, the real war hero? –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 03:25, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Subjective category. Dimadick (talk) 08:29, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete purely subjective; one person's hero is another's scalawag. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:17, 28 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Tommy Robinson (activist)
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:37, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tommy robinson (activist)


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON (the only article in the category that is specifically about TR is the eponymous article). Being associated with TR is a non-defining characteristic of e.g. Quilliam (think tank). DexDor(talk) 08:04, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, not a defining characteristic of the articles in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:53, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Matriarchism among animals
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:37, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting matriarchism among animals


 * Nominator's rationale: We don't currently have any articles specifically about the topic of matriarchism(?) among animals. This category has been filled with articles about types of animals Ant, Baboon etc where this often appears to be a non-defining characteristic and/or is incorrect. This isn't how articles about species etc are normally categorized. See also talk page - "I'm not sure this category makes too much sense  ...". If not deleted this should be renamed to something like "Animals that live in matriarchal groups" (and purged). Note: The category creator is blocked. DexDor(talk) 06:33, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, possibly a basis for an article though. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as clearly not defining.  bibliomaniac 1  5  03:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)


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Category:German computers
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Computers designed in Germany & Category:Computers designed in the United Kingdom. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:28, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:German computers to Category:German inventions and Category:East German inventions
 * Propose merging Category:British computers to Category:British inventions
 * Nominator's rationale: move content to inventions tree, the current name wrongly suggest that computers have a nationality. We have the inventions tree for categorizing by the country of invention, which is applicable in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * pinging participants to this related discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The Category no more suggests that Computers have nationality than the proposed merge target suggests that Inventions have nationality. The proposal is self inconsistent. --Kitchen Knife (talk) 08:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete still, I believe that computers don't have nationality, and given the global supply chains I don't think that one person with a nationality can be attributed as the 'inventor' of the entire computer. We have also had debates on whether songs have nationality; generally, the people who wrote the songs are identifiable and their nationalities are verifiable but even so, I (and others) contend that they have no nationality. If we cannot agree that songs by Lennon-McCartney are "English songs", how can we figure out whether computers with hardware from heavens-know-where, design by unknown people, and software from some other places written by other nameless folks have any nationality. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This last comment is gibberish. The editor clearly has not looked at the items in the category and has a poor grasp of English and its usage. There use of "invention" is at best idiosyncratic. This is a case where native speakers of the language should be the ones deciding--Kitchen Knife (talk) 11:14, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This is an interesting comment since User:Carlossuarez46 is a native English speaker. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:41, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * If kept, the name of the categories should follow the outcome of this other discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:43, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * The person making the requests for change is not a native English speaker and their understanding of English in this area seems rather clumsy and unnuanced. There also seems to have been no attempt to look at the content of the category. All the machines mentioned date from the 40s, 50 designed as experimental, when the large supply chains did not exist. The user also miss uses invention when design would be more appropriate. The class of machines as a whole was invented each individual machine is a design. While I'm happy to have the category renames to say "British designed computers" or Computers designed in the UK" the subjects of the categories are valid as they capture the series of designs in an era when computer development was a national enterprise.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 11:25, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The British category mainly contains computers from the 1980s, not from the 1940s or 1950s, and the computers were developed by commercial companies, they were not part of a national enterprise. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:50, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The Subcatogry Early British computers, would also break you "nationality" rule.
 * Thanks, you are right, I will nominate that one too. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:40, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


 * (as nom) I am also okay with straight deletion, as proposed by Carlossuarez46, whereas Kitchen Knife confirms that "invention" is not appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:41, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename and Keep. The subject here is the use of language and it covers a far greater area than these topics. The definition of British is given as "belonging to or relating to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland or its people:" these devices being designed in the UK fore fill that criteria.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 14:40, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment an iPhone has industrial design mainly in the US, parts made hither thither an yon, put together in China, and is bundled with computer code from all over as well. An American computer? A Chinese one? or do we realize that trying to ascribe nationality to objects is just misleading. Nearly every project, and you cannot show the categorized items, since about 1900 (and many long beforehand) has some multi-national component to it especially if the result is significant. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:22, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "Nationality is a legal identification of a person in international law, establishing the person as a subject, a national, of a sovereign state." "belonging to or relating to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland or its people:". The word British covers more than Nationality. The problem here is your English.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 00:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I suggest we close this now and in future restrict debates of this nature to native speakers of the language.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 00:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I strongly disagree that this is a matter of language, it is just a matter of disagreement. And even if it were a matter of language, then close the discussion per Carlossuarez46. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:25, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It is a matter of Language your idea of what the word "British" means is incorrect. The entire argument you are making is nonsensical. Taken to it logical conclusion as molecules in the atmosphere are embed in every made or grown thing, then as those molecules can over their millions of years of existence have been all over the planet then the origin of that object can be only be defined as Earth, perhaps not even that as some molecules come from interstellar objects that were captured into the solar system. Close as per Carlossuarez46 makes no sense if it a language problem.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 23:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly so. The only thing that we can establish for e.g. Acorn Archimedes is that it was designed by a company that happened to have their main office located in the United Kingdom, not that Acorn Archimedes was British by itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you mean "exactly so". A computer Designed in the UK by a UK based and founded Company for fills the criteria to be British by that definition. The Wikiepdia Defintion

"   People or things associated with:        Great Britain, an island        United Kingdom, a sovereign state        Kingdom of Great Britain (1707–1800)        United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (1801–1922)" It is associated with the above places. Collins "British means belonging or relating to the United Kingdom, or to its people or culture." It is British as the Company is British, the location is British it is a product of a British Company, in Britain, it is associated with Britain by that origin. Its place of origin as an identifiable entity is Cambridge in England, in the UK, that means it is associated with it.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 10:48, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly, this is mere association, and we do not categorize by association, per WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You clearly do not understand what that means, it is not relevant here.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 11:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per Carlossuarez46. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:42, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. For your consideration, I closed the discussion about European Computers as a rename to Category:Computers designed in Europe.  bibliomaniac 1  5  18:56, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If the conclusion to this debate is delete, the rational the Designed in Europe will have to go as well.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 20:06, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems better to me to either upmerge to Category:Computers designed in Europe or rename to standardize with that tree. Of those two options, I think the latter is preferable.  bibliomaniac 1  5  03:14, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. "Computers designed in German" && "Computers designed in the United Kingdom".--Kitchen Knife (talk) 00:17, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Peesh ili luzhesh
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:08, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Peesh ili luzhesh to Category:European versions of I Can See Your Voice
 * Propose merging Category:Falsez pentru tine to Category:European versions of I Can See Your Voice (added 10:41, 24 July 2020 (UTC))
 * Propose merging Category:I Can See Your Voice (German game show)‎ to Category:European versions of I Can See Your Voice (added 10:41, 24 July 2020 (UTC))
 * Nominator's rationale: only content is the eponymous Peesh ili luzhesh. The show ran only for one season, so it will always be a WP:SMALLCAT.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:05, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I, the contributor on I Can See Your Voice, and i oppose merging that category, because each ICSYV franchise have its own separated category, which includes a main and seasonal page (e.g. I Can See Your Voice (South Korean game show) category has a main page and seven season pages). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makoy Canlas (talk • contribs) 13:17, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * @Makoy Canlas: I have already tagged the other two subcats for speedy merger per WP:C2F, because they also fail WP:SMALLCAT. See Category:I Can See Your Voice (Dutch game show) and Category:I Can See Your Voice (German game show). -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:31, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:02, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I oppose merging categories Falsez pentru tine, I Can See Your Voice (Dutch game show), I Can See Your Voice (German game show), and I Can See Your Voice (American game show) too. Because there were upcoming ICSYV franchises as soon as it premieres, i've gonna stay them as a separated categories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makoy Canlas (talk • contribs) 22:22, 1 July 2020‎ (UTC)
 * @Makoy Canlas, you have already said that you oppose, so no need to repeat yourself. The issue here is that per WP:SMALLCAT, the categories should not exist unless and until there are a decent number of articles to populate them.  Peesh ili luzhesh aired for one season in 2016, so it's unlikely that more articles about will be created. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:44, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Added 2: Category:Falsez pentru tine and Category:I Can See Your Voice (German game show)‎, which have been re-created by Makoy Canlas, after being speedy deleted only a few weeks ago. The re-created categories each have only two pages. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:41, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge all three categories per WP:SMALLCAT. This overrules my earlier merge vote for the first category only. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:45, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge all three categories to Category:I Can See Your Voice. Category:European versions of I Can See Your Voice is also WP:SMALLCAT. Kanghuitari (talk) 13:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

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Category:Universities producing US presidents
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Although the CFD was not tagged until several days ago, this is a clear WP:SNOW close.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

It has been proposed that I change the category to "Colleges and universities with US president alumni." Can someone please help me do this.

Tissueboy (talk) 03:15, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per NONDEF. Note: The category has been created without any pa r ent categories - showing that its creator has a poor understanding of wp categorization. DexDor(talk) 07:56, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as not defining....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NONDEF. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:52, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Logical equivalent to the third subsection of WP:PERFCAT. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 03:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This category wasn't CFD tagged until 29th July. DexDor(talk) 19:45, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Somali-language newspapers published in Somaliland
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 09:40, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Somali-language newspapers published in Somaliland to Category:Somaliland newspapers Category:Newspapers published in Somaliland
 * Nominator's rationale: Reduntant (language and place). Fuddle (talk) 00:09, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

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 * Merge per nom. From what I see in Category:Newspapers by language we only categorize newspapers by minority languages. Marcocapelle (talk) 00:57, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - there appear to be 3 official languages in Somaliland - Somali, Arabic, English (+ several others). Category:Urdu-language newspapers has a variety of subcats. (I have no idea whether Somali-language newspapers are published anywhere else but a guess would be Somalia.) Oculi (talk) 10:34, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * But the two entries in Category:Somali-language newspapers are both duplicated in the subcat and their articles say they are both published in Somaliland. Until we have some articles that need to be distinguished in this way, the category serves no purpose.  I suspect it was only created to try and add some legitimacy to the unrecognised state of Somaliland. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 11:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, but this does not mean that other such newspapers cannot be found, possibly quite easily (I haven't looked). Somali is spoken in a wider area than Somaliland. Just because an inexperienced editor has created categories without parents etc does not imply that the categories are not viable. Oculi (talk) 11:56, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It does not matter how easily, or otherwise, other newspapers can be found. Until Wikipedia has articles for them, they don't need a category. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 09:40, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Merge per nom. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 09:40, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


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