Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 June 10



Category:Black geoscientists

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 17:10, 19 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting black geoscientists


 * Nominator's rationale: Maybe I'm missing something, but this category name doesn't fit our existing pattern of category naming, i.e. Category:African-American scientists, Category:African-American mathematicians, etc. --bender235 (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. You are missing that African-American and Black are not the same. There needs to be a subcategory specifically for Black GEOscientists, which there currently is not. Please do NOT delete this category. Thank you. MethanoJen (talk) 21:41, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'm well aware that Black ≠ African-American. My point was that, at least to my knowledge, we do not have categories of this name pattern, i.e. Category:Black mathematicians, Category:Black physicists, Category:Black engineers. --bender235 (talk) 22:31, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is uncategorised.  There is no parent category for geoscientists.  Rathfelder (talk) 21:56, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. African-American is a subset of black; not all black people are from America. If Category:African-American geoscientists were to be made it would be subcat of this. This category now has a parent. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ 22:10, 10 June 2020 (UTC) — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Vanderdecken (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion.
 * do we have any other subcategories by race/ethnicity that you are aware of? I don't see Category:Black actors, Category:Black politicians, Category:Black football players. Maybe we should have all these categories, and more, and for other races, too. But I don't think such a large-scale change in our category structure should be done on a whim. --bender235 (talk) 22:53, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment. Please see two up from Vanderdecken. Vanderdecken made a parent category (thank you Vanderdecken). Words and labels change. Wikipedia is big enough to handle it. Like Vanderdecken said, you can file African-American [scientist-type] under Black [scientist-type] parent categories. Please remove the threat of deleting and there won't be more comments to bother you here.MethanoJen (talk) 22:45, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect. Create a new category Category:Black earth scientists to redirect this one to so it can be a sub category of Category:Earth scientists. Poclam (talk) 22:54, 10 June 2020 (UTC) — Poclam (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Redirect. Thank you Poclam, I am fine with a new category and the redirect to Category:Black Earth scientists. Thank you.MethanoJen (talk) 23:02, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - such categories have never been kept at cfd. Eg CFD in 2006. WP:ETHNICRACECAT: "Ethnic groups are commonly used when categorizing people; however, race is not." Oculi (talk) 23:05, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Link adjusted to fit small screens better. DexDor(talk) 20:47, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NONDEF, skin color is not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:29, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment for the closer: Note that MethanoJen, the category creator, canvassed  users here to vote keep via Twitter.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:37, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I support the idea of this, but I find WP:ETHNICRACECAT convincing here. SportingFlyer  T · C  05:46, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per the 2006 discussion. That this category was created without any parent categories probably indicates that its creator has a poor understanding of wp categorization. DexDor(talk) 06:17, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Classifying people into "Black", "White", "Asian" (Yellow).. etc, is an American fetish we should not adopt in a worldwide encyclopedia. There racial terms are not universally accepted among in the mainstream outside USA. Lappspira (talk) 13:34, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I am prepared to accept that in some situations ethnicity may be defining - though I dont see it for scientists. I dont see skin colour as defining and I dont think we should use it as a shorthand for ethnicity. Rathfelder (talk) 15:50, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. (1) I deleted the tweet. I didn't realize I couldn't "canvass" on Twitter. I apologize. HOWEVER. (2) I think y'all in the Wiki editorial community (btw, I'm willing to bet everyone commenting above is white) needs to do a LOT of reading and thinking, particularly at this critical moment in history, before writing off "Black" as an important category on this vital resource of global knowledge. Please consider carefully before you're so quick to sweep this issue aside. Thank you. MethanoJen (talk) 19:24, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * with all due respect, but I suggest that you dial down the WP:ADVOCACY just a bit; WP:CFD is probably not the most crucial battleground for social justice at the moment. But regardless, as multiple people have pointed out now, we do not have any categories that divide people by skin color at this point, not just not for geoscientists. If you are truly convinced these types of categories are necessary, an RfC to overturn WP:ETHNICRACECAT is in order. --bender235 (talk) 21:11, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete This is an attempt to categorize people by race, and race divisions are at best arbitrary and inconsistent. 19:37, 12 June 2020 (UTC)Dimadick (talk)
 * Delete a ghettoization category impermissible under WP:OCEGRS; no indication that Black geoscientists do geoscience differently than others; if so, prove it! Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:24, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This is an encyclopedia, not another platform for virtue signalling. There are plenty of platforms available for that kind of thing; this is not one of them. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: blatant violation of WP:ETHNICRACECAT. Note that a number of recent creations of "Black" categories may also be deleted. Place Clichy (talk) 02:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:RATP

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 18:48, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:RATP to Category:RATP Group
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Both are topic categories relating to RATP Group. 1857a (talk) 20:55, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge, the two categories have the same purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 13 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:English Jews of the Tudor period

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:39, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:English Jews of the Tudor period to Category:16th-century English Jews
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, aligning with Category:16th-century Italian Jews. English Jews did not have a specific connection with the Tudor dynasty, so that a more general century category fits better. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:02, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom rational. --bender235 (talk) 01:59, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * For reference, see precedent discussion at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_2. The current name was chosen to align with Category:People of the Tudor period, which is currently a parent. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:55, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep To match the parent category Category:People of the Tudor period. And the period actually lasted from 1485 to 1603. 19:40, 12 June 2020 (UTC)Dimadick (talk)
 * With the rename, the parent can be changed to Category:16th-century English people as well, so that is not a good reason to oppose. Also, for the few articles in this category the period 1501-1600 is just as valid as the period 1485-1603. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:55, 12 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support to conventional "by century" which is the standard. "By dynasty" is usually a bad idea. Support changing the parent to Category:16th-century English people as well. Also, some of the people in the lands conquered by the Tudor monarchs (e.g. Ireland) would not have self-identified as "Tudor people" - they were Irish people. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Academic journals associated with non-profit organizations

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 18:47, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting academic journals associated with non-profit organizations


 * Propose deleting academic journals associated with non-profit organisations of india


 * Propose deleting academic journals associated with non-profit organizations of the united states


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCASSOC, it is very vague how these journals are related to non-profit organizations. If kept, rename to Category:Academic journals on behalf of non-profit organizations and purge. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:33, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and this is not defining, because most academic journals are published by universities which are (usually) non-profit organizations. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:28, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The journals which need to be here are already in Category:Academic journals published by non-profit organizations. This superior category is not helpful. Rathfelder (talk) 10:32, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Too common to be defining. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:12, 13 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish German teachers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; sole article re-categorized as discussed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:28, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jewish german teachers


 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 article. Name is unsatisfactorily ambiguous.  Erich Klibansky seems to have been more a teacher of English than of German, but he was a German schoolteacher - where he is already categorised.  There dont seem to be any other Jewish teacher categories. Rathfelder (talk) 15:47, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete unnecessary intersection of ethnicity or religion, nationality, and career per WP:OCEGRS. The nom also points out that ambiguity of whether this is meant to categorize Jewish people who teach German (apparently not) or Jewish people who are/were German, who teach (anything). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:26, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There are 23 subcategories of American Jews by occupation, unsurprisingly a lot more than any other country. I suppose the question of whether the intersection is significant varies from country to country, but many of them dont seem significant to me. Rathfelder (talk) 17:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support in principle, but merge to Category:German Jews. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:36, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The article might be better in Category:Jews executed by Nazi Germany - if we think that is a viable category, though there only 3 articles in it at present? And maybe we need to think about Who is a Jew? in this context. Perhaps if a person is executed by the Nazis under their definition that is the one that counts. Rathfelder (talk) 15:17, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That is also a proper merge target, so dual merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete or upmerge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 21:16, 19 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Demographics of the European Union
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Category:Roman amphitheatres in Germany

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 18:46, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Roman amphitheatres in Germany to Category:Roman amphitheatres, Category:Amphitheaters in Germany and Category:Ancient Roman buildings and structures in Germany
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge to parent categories per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article in the category and it is not part of a large sub-categorization scheme. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:04, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support It's unlikely that new amphitheatres will be dug up in Germany. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:20, 14 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:People declared dead in absentia

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:25, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People declared dead in absentia to Category:People presumed dead
 * Nominator's rationale: rename in order to follow the WP:RM renaming of Declared death in absentia to Presumption of death. This category rename was opposed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:22, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Category:People declared dead in absentia to Category:People presumed dead - C2D. Article name changed. See .--Jack Upland (talk) 06:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose speedy The main article is "Presumption of death" and not "presumed dead". Armbrust The Homunculus 20:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


 * pinging contributors of CFDS discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, Armbrust, might have a point there. I don't know what the rules are exactly. The point is that the wording should follow the main article: that is, "People presumed dead" instead of "People declared dead in absentia". We established at the main article that "presumption of death" and "presumed dead" are the standard phrases in English. "Declared dead in absentia" does not appear to be an official term, was not used by any source cited by the main article, is not used in legal dictionaries, and in fact doesn't appear to make sense. Uses of the term on the Internet appears derive from the Wikipedia article. The phrase appears to have derived from a confusion between "presumption of death" and being "sentenced to death in absentia".--Jack Upland (talk) 09:47, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose presumed dead leads to the obvious question: "by whom?" The current formulation doesn't beg that unanswerable. There are lots of people who some people presume to be dead but have never been adjudicated as dead by a court. People missing in action in various wars, possible kidnapping victims, absconders, and people who disappeared sufficiently long ago who would break world records in age were they still alive (even Wikipedia presumes only those born in 1896 onward as alive; therefor Wikipedia presumes those born 1895 and earlier to be dead), what use is it to put all those with Category:Year of death missing into this category since the mere addition of that category presumes that there is a year of death, hence the person is dead (becoming, alas, a member of the proposed target category). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:36, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Carlossuarez. SportingFlyer  T · C  21:45, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose This should include people declared deceased through a legal action, not just vaguely presumed dead. Dimadick (talk) 19:44, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: These oppose comments really miss the point. The point is that "declared dead in absentia" is not a standard legal term. I understand that "presumed dead" could be misinterpreted, so perhaps "legally presumed dead" would be better. But we should not continue to use terminology that is wrong.--Jack Upland (talk) 05:41, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a better rename indeed, less ambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:07, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename to something that makes sense and accurately describes the intended purpose of the category (People officially declared dead without a body being found?) or delete as an unnecessary category that doesn't really group articles about similar topics. People who disappeared can be categorized by the year (or decade) in which they are most likely to have died (example). Note: If this category is intended to include everyone who has an article in wp and whose body was not found (e.g. in wartime, in an aircrash, shipwreck explosion) then the category is almost completely empty. DexDor(talk) 20:41, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per DexDor, probably non-defining. Disappearing is defining but this isn't. Certainly I don't think it's a defining characteristic of Raoul Wallenberg that he was declared dead in absentia. buidhe 08:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Wallenberg was not declared dead in absentia. There's no such thing.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:12, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose. This should only include people who have been legally declared to be dead, not those who are just widely thought to be dead. That's not defining. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:16, 23 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Tell Abu Sabun

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 17:12, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tell abu sabun


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT contains 3 articles which are already interlinked directly. Upon deletion of the category, the main article Necropolis of Emesa should be added to both current parent categories. If the category is kept, a rename to Category:Necropolis of Emesa may be considered, in line with a recent bold rename of the main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete for Now With no objection to recreating if we ever get up to 5 well categorized articles. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:13, 13 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Reggae albums by Puerto Rican artists

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep Timrollpickering (talk) 18:44, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Reggae albums by Puerto Rican artists to Category:Reggaeton albums by Puerto Rican artists
 * Nominator's rationale: The article for Reggaeton says that the genre is not to be confused with reggae (thus not the same genre) while artists/albums listed on this category fit the description "reggaeton". -- Lk95 8:53, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Note Currently, there is no categorization scheme for Category:Reggaeton albums by artist nationality as there is for reggae albums. Also, if the genres aren't related, should reggaeton not be categorized as a reggae genre? Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 02:36, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note to admin Suggest relisting as category was never tagged. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 21:02, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  19:03, 1 June 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Oppose Just categorize individual categories and articles under Category:Reggaeton albums. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  02:56, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose due to the lack of an overarching scheme for reggaeton albums. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 18:29, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Afro-Latin American
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Cool. So why bring this up now? Well, Category:Afro-Latin American is currently being used to sort American Afro-Latino (ie. USA) and Afro-Latin Americans. I think it would probably be for the best if we did a soft split for Americans of the USA and everyone else. I bring this up because I noticed Medaria Arradondo is currently categorized as Afro-Mexican when he really should be categorized as Category:Afro-Latin American (United States), Category:American people of Mexican descent, and Category:African-American police officers. He's pretty obviously not a citizen of Mexico. My heart isn't dead set on the name though. If people want it to match the parent article, that's good with me as well. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:28, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus.  bibliomaniac  1  5  20:01, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Afro-Latin American to Category:Afro-Latin American and Category:Afro-Latin American (United States)
 * Nominator's rationale: Now, it's rather obvious that to anyone outside of the USA and maybe Canada that "American" (and especially "Latin American") is a term used to refer to people living in both North and South America. However, here in the States, we're special and also use it for our country's demonym (Americans).


 * Question, is there a distinct Afro-Latin American ethnic community in the United States? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes? Well, yes and no. It's a thing, but it's still in progress. If you search for "afro-latinx" (which is pretty much an US American-exclusive term), you'll see what I mean. It's definitely been a term used by Afro-Dominicans within the United States ( ref ), but it could apply to a lot of other groups (like Afro-Puerto Ricans). &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 06:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It gives me the impression that it is premature. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to be sure, this is meant as keep (do not split). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete this tree is little more than a collection of categories for mostly biography articles sorted and ghettoized by race, ethnicity, and nationality intersections. WP:OCEGRS. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:13, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

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 * (reacting) Deletion is only meaningful if the subcategories are deleted as well. In the current situation it is a valid container category. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 13 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Circular ISO redirects
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Category:World Figure Skating Hall of Fame inductees
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:World Figure Skating Hall of Fame inductees
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT, WP:OCAWARD)
 * The World Figure Skating Hall of Fame isn't officially an Olympic hall of fame but it sure looks like one in practice: 70 of the 93 articles in this category are already somewhere under Category:Olympic figure skaters and another 7 8 have other Olympic connections, mostly coaches: A, B, C, D, E, F, G and H. (The remaining 16 15 articles are already well categorized: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15). Being in the Olympics for figure skating is definitely defining but getting this award later for the same earlier effort is not remotely defining for Robin Cousins, Lyudmila Pakhomova, or Kurt Browning. We already have the winners listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Background We've consistently deleted Halls of Fame that celebrate the earlier success of athlets at the Olympic Games here, here, here, here, here, here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator, per WP:NONDEFINING and per WP:OCAWARD. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 03:04, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 *  Delete per WP:OCAWARD and WP:PERFCAT. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 13:53, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:WCW Hall of Fame
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:WCW Hall of Fame
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD, WP:PERFCAT)
 * The WCW Hall of Fame existed from 1993-1995 to recognize professional wrestlers from World Championship Wrestling and it's predecessors. The award was a televised segment within the annual pay-per-view event, Slamboree. In the articles, this is typically listed among other honors and doesn't seem defining. The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in this former award. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator, per WP:NONDEFINING and per WP:OCAWARD. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 03:04, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 13:48, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Cox Television
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 18:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Cox Television to Category:Cox Communications
 * Nominator's rationale: This used to be the category for the Cox Television station group, now Cox Media Group. Moving out the active TV stations left a series of misfit articles, most of which were related to the cable company Cox Communications, which does not have a category. (Cox Television and Cox Communications were/are separate businesses under the same family.)

I have prodded one article for not meeting the GNG; Miami Valley Channel would be moved out; and Cox Communications, YurView Arizona, YurView Louisiana, and Digital Max—all articles related to Cox Communications—would be moved in. Raymie (t • c) 21:00, 1 June 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  02:44, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename, the four remaining articles are clearly about Cox Communications. That eponymous article should be added to the category as well after renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. SportingFlyer  T · C  01:03, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


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