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Category:Seven Sister States

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting seven sister states


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT of . The only content is the eponymous articles and categories of these seven states. Seven Sisters is an alternate expression sometimes used to refer to Northeast India, as explained e.g. in . There is therefore very little potential content that would not fit in Northeast India categories. Place Clichy (talk) 22:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:27, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree but leave cat-redirect. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:08, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree Seven sister state is just an informal term used to refer to northeast states excluding Sikkim. There is no need for this category as it is never been approved by the 7 governments of respective state neither by government of India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taal Saptak (talk • contribs) 05:15, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish American basketball people

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:16, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jewish american basketball people


 * Nominator's rationale: Recent category (25 April 2020) which largely overlaps existing categories such as, or , most of which are already American (or Israeli). Also, the scope is less clear, mentioning basketball "people" while parent categories use "basketball players". Place Clichy (talk) 22:13, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:26, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 16:13, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete unnecessary and non-notable intersection between religion or ethnicity, nationality, and career. Do Jewish American basketball people do things differently than their Gentile counterparts? if so, prove it. WP:OCEGRS. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:17, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Redirects from CAS Numbers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Redirects from CAS Registry Numbers. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:11, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Redirects from CAS Numbers to Category:Redirects from CAS numbers
 * Nominator's rationale: Correct the capitalisation of this and R from CAS Number. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Alt. Rename to Category:Redirects from CAS Registry Numbers as the main article is CAS Registry Number. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:09, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! It seems I have only used the search box without opening anything; and as it does, it only showed me the one with the lower case letter. Apparently, there is no problem in the current capitalisation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 14:11, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


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American television stations by former network affiliation

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 23:30, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting former abc network affiliates


 * Propose deleting former cbs network affiliates


 * Propose deleting former cw affiliates


 * Propose deleting former dumont television network affiliates


 * Propose deleting former fox network affiliates


 * Propose deleting former mynetworktv affiliates


 * Propose deleting former nbc network affiliates


 * Propose deleting former pbs member stations


 * Propose deleting former telemundo network affiliates


 * Propose deleting former univision network affiliates


 * Propose deleting former upn affiliates


 * Propose deleting former wb affiliates


 * Nominator's rationale: Categories grouping television stations on a former characteristic that isn't a useful or defining grouping. Affiliate stations can drop a network affiliation and reaffiliate with another network almost literally at will, and even owned and operated stations can very easily be sold to different owners, so it's not useful to categorize television stations by former network affiliations that they don't carry anymore -- that can lead to extreme category bloat, because stations have sometimes been affiliated with numerous different networks over the course of their histories. Even after having randomly spotchecked just four articles, I've already found one station (KELO-TV) which is catted in four of these at the same time, and one (KULR-TV) which is catted in five of them — and at least in theory, it would be within the realm of possibility for a station to have to be catted in all 12 of them. So for the same reasons that we don't categorize radio or television stations by past owners or radio stations by dropped formats, we categorize television stations only for their current (or last, in the case of a defunct station) network affiliation, and don't pile on extra categories for past ones. No objection to listifying if desired, but this isn't the category system's job. Bearcat (talk) 20:41, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment I was prepared to defend the DuMont one until I started clicking through the category: KENS and many others have "secondary affiliations" where they carried a few programs for a network and which means they are categorized under each which is definitely non-defining. Interested in other editor's viewpoints on primary affiliations. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:16, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support in order to prevent excessive category clutter in the articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Former CBC Television stations

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 23:30, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting former cbc television stations


 * Nominator's rationale: Category grouping television stations (and some "lists of transmitters" that are really just redirects to television stations) on a former characteristic that isn't a useful or defining grouping. Affiliate stations can drop a network affiliation and reaffiliate with another network almost literally at will, and even owned and operated stations can very easily be sold to different owners, so it's not useful to categorize television stations by former network affiliations that they don't carry anymore -- that can lead to extreme category bloat, because stations have sometimes been affiliated with numerous different networks over the course of their histories. So for the same reasons that we don't categorize radio or television stations by past owners or radio stations by dropped formats, we categorize television stations only for their current (or last, in the case of a defunct station) network affiliation, and don't pile on extra categories for past ones. And for an even more concrete example of why this is not a good idea, there are stations in here (CHCH-DT, frex) that literally haven't been CBC-affilated since the 1960s, and thus aren't permanently defined by that association. The argument that this should be kept because we do this in the United States, which is likely to be attempted by the creator of this, also does not wash: the similar categories that exist for the United States were virtually all created within the past few months by the same person who created this one, and consensus was always against this in the past for precisely the reasons I outlined above. So it's not that this needs to be kept because similar categories also exist for the American networks -- it's that the American categories also need to be deleted for the same reasons, although I'll be batching them in a separate discussion. Bearcat (talk) 20:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Defer To the outcome of the US former networks above, whether I agree with the outcome or not. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Nizams Dominion
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Category:Nizams Special Soldiers
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Category:(Nizams) Asaf Jahi Dynasty

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  bibliomaniac  1  5  18:34, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:(Nizams) Asaf Jahi Dynasty to Category:Asaf Jahi dynasty
 * Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination; opposed speedy. The category contains the 7 Nizams of the Asaf Jahi dynasty. The renaming was opposed by on the Speedy page without stating a rationale. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:18, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename - WP:C2D per Asaf Jahi dynasty. Place Clichy (talk) 22:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per WP:C2D unless User:Gonnym comes up with a fact that I have overseen. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy Rename Per WP:C2D. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:16, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Redirects from nicknames
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Category:Political figures of Richmond, California

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  18:34, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Political figures of Richmond, California to Category:Politicians from Richmond, California
 * Propose merging Category:Politicians of Richmond, California to Category:Politicians from Richmond, California
 * Nominator's rationale: Standard is Politicians from X. Nominated to match the rest of the tree. User:Namiba 18:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy Per WP:C2C, consistency with established category tree names. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom Dupilicate categories with identical scopes. Dimadick (talk) 15:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, while it is well-intended to separate politicians active as a politician somewhere from politicians born and raised somewhere, we do not make this distinction anywhere else. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support -- obvious duplicates, Peterkingiron (talk) 19:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Redirect category templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Redirect templates Timrollpickering (talk) 23:32, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Redirect category templates to Category:
 * Nominator's rationale: The name does not really resemble the use of the category. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Unless user:Paine Ellsworth can tell us why anyone still needs this, it should probably be merged to Category:Redirect templates. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:47, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Redirect templates, pending clarification from creator. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * In 2015 and '16 a lot of time, mine and other editors, was spent on testing rcat templates to make sure they worked as they should both within and outside the shell template (presently named "Redirect category shell"). Haven't used this category for a long time, so merging it into the "Redirect templates" category is fine with me. I would only say "keep" if other editors were to chime in and say they are still using it for testing purposes.  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 12:10, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Three Rivers Community College (Missouri)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 23:32, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Three Rivers Community College (Missouri) to Category:Three Rivers College (Missouri)
 * Nominator's rationale: School was renamed; C2D. SportsGuy789 (talk) 17:13, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Adams State College alumni

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 23:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Adams State College alumni to Category:Adams State University alumni
 * Nominator's rationale: Adams State College was renamed to Adams State University in 2015. The precedent is to use schools' modern names for all historical alumni. 71.56.244.35 (talk) 14:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Meadowbrook Polo Club

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 13:23, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Meadowbrook Polo Club to Category:Polo clubs in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Eponymous single-page category. Wire723 (talk) 12:34, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy per WP:C2F, one eponymous article. RevelationDirect (talk) 17:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:07, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Death of George Floyd

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 13:22, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Death of George Floyd to Category:Killing of George Floyd
 * Nominator's rationale: While I could imagine putting this in Speedy renaming after the article was moved from Death of George Floyd to Killing of George Floyd, I expect some editors will want to debate it. That said, if an admin decides it should be renamed in two days per C2D, that is certainly fine with me.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 12:17, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nominator, It definitely seems justified to rename the category after the article was moved so this nomination is viable ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 12:44, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - category should follow the article.  starship .paint  (talk) 12:52, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think a rename would be better as there are a few articles all linked.Slatersteven (talk) 12:16, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support-- SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 13:29, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - The main cat should align with the main article. This should be uncontroversial. - MrX 🖋 21:18, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Per WP:C2D. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:26, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per above. Makes sense. Soulbust (talk) 01:31, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per above. See Killing of George Floyd and List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, May 2020. Tvc 15 (talk) 20:32, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * So much about "editors will want to debate it". It's snowing. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, the move was so contentious, I just assumed this might be too. Nice to see.--Mike Selinker (talk) 23:27, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support It's a no-brainer. The rationale for renaming this section is the same as the article, so if the article has been renamed, this should too. GoodCrossing (talk) 23:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support As stated above, and considering that many reliable sources agree that George Floyd was killed, this category should be moved. KevTYD (wake up) 14:31, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Italian drama road moves

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 * The result of the discussion was: has been speedily renamed (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Italian drama road moves to Category:Italian drama road movies
 * Nominator's rationale: Typo. Errix (talk) 10:07, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Done I just moved it to the correct name.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 11:26, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Scotty Emerick songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 13:24, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting scotty emerick songs


 * Nominator's rationale: Single member of the category is a redirect. Provides no help to readers. Richhoncho (talk) 09:59, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:11, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Shelly Fairchild songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 13:24, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting shelly fairchild songs


 * Nominator's rationale: Single member of category which is also a redirect. No help or assistance to readers. Richhoncho (talk) 09:53, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:12, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Holocaust plays
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 13:25, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Holocaust plays to Category:Plays about The Holocaust
 * Nominator's rationale: The current title is somewhat ambiguous and the 'about X' name is common anyway if you look at the Category:Plays by topic. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:00, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, definitely the same format should apply to this category. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 02:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Clearer scope. Dimadick (talk) 15:44, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, clearer phrasing and a case of WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Sexual orientation and society
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  18:26, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sexual orientation and society to Category:LGBT and society
 * Nominator's rationale: "Sexual orientation" mostly applies to the L, G, and B and is a subset of LGBT. "LGBT and society" makes more sense as a parent category, not a child of this one. But this one contains some LGBT subcategories and articles that go beyond the scope of just sexual orientation. Given that many but not all articles span both, it's probably most natural just to merge up into "LGBT and society". -- Beland (talk) 03:37, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * If kept, reverse the hierarchy (make LGBT the parent category of sexual orientation) and move some content from sexual orientation to LGBT. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I think the current order is correct, sexual orientation can be > than LGBT which is just 4 types of s.o. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:06, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There is nothing about heterosexuality in the category. There is also nothing about transgender in the category (the T of LGBT is unrelated to sexual orientation) so that's why I said it should be a subset of LGBT. But if we cannot reach consensus about the hierarchy, that would be even more reason to merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment In theory, I get the idea that this would also include straight/asexual content. In practice, the nominator is correct that this is LGBTQ content. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:02, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with Marcocapelle that, while we have lots of content on the encyclopedia that is about heterosexuals and heterosexuality, in practice this category is the same as LGBT. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 18:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * With the above two reactions it has become clear there is consensus for merging to LGBT and I am perfectly fine with that too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


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Films by demographic audience
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:22, 11 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Option A
 * Propose renaming Category:Films by audience to Category:Films by demographic
 * Propose renaming Category:Philippine films by audience to Category:Philippine films by demographic


 * Option B
 * Propose renaming Category:Films by demographic to Category:Films by audience
 * Propose renaming Category:Animated films by demographic to Category:Animated films by audience
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories for the same purpose, i.e. films for children/teens/adults. In case option B is preferred, other categories may be renamed as well:, , , , , . Place Clichy (talk) 08:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Comment/question, "adult movies" is meant as a genre for sure. Can we perhaps merge all of them to "by genre" categories? Marcocapelle (talk) 15:49, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Good point. Until recently, was a soft redirect to Films about sexuality. However in this acception adult is a mere euphemism for erotic or pornographic films, which are otherwise correctly categorized by genre as such. There are other art forms such as animation or comics where the word adult is clearly used to describe works that are not oriented towards a young audience but that cover a wide variety of topics and genres that are not sexual in nature, I would therefore not rule out the room for a demographic/audience category scheme (that's a lot of negatives). The main concern behind this nomination is the duplicate. Place Clichy (talk) 17:10, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * So currently, adult animation is the only content that certainly does not belong in a "by genre" category. That sounds like merging (while purging adult animation) is also an option to consider. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comics are also a form of art where the adult target would be defining regardless of genre, at least for Franco-Belgian comics which I know better. Category:Adult comics is currently poorly parented imho, but Category:Anime and manga by demographic is definitely one such category by readership and not by genre. I guess that in cinema or television, non-sexual adult films are probably the mainstream type of films, so this characteristic would not be defining. Place Clichy (talk) 18:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I find Category:Novels by age-group, which is similar (but excludes say men's/women's interest groups). I have a feeling there was a 4th way of describing this method of subcatting in some other tree. It should be . Category:Magazines by interest is another (wider). Oculi (talk) 18:34, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * that's a very good catch, many thanks! While the focus of these variously named categories seems to be on age rather than gender or other demographic (e.g. education, wealth or ethnicity), I guess that the structure seen in Category:Mass media by interest is the closest thing to a well-organized category by demographic target audience. I also think I like by age-group better than by demographic or by audience. AS the term mass media may not be applicable for all, I suggest creating a new Category:Entertainment by age-group or Category:Entertainment by interest and moving there the various categories discusssed above, renamed such as: Category:Films by age-group, Category:Animation by age-group, Category:Television series by age-group, Category:Anime and manga by age-group etc. I wonder if the hyphen is appropriate though. However, this structure should only host material for which this age-group target is defining, and certainly not to place every film or series or novel in an age or gender category. Place Clichy (talk) 18:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment by age group is really a ratings (in countries where there are such) categories, do we want to do that as different content triggers different ratings (violence doesn't trigger much ratings fuss in the US but nudity does; in Scandinavia it seems the other way around). I don't think that certain ratings (other than adult, where age restrictions preclude minors from attending) denote the demographic of the audience and many films work on several levels (Shrek comes to mind). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

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Category:Oxudercinae
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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus Timrollpickering (talk) 09:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Oxudercinae to Category:Mudskippers
 * Nominator's rationale: Categories both contain Mudskippers. Lymantria (talk) 12:16, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose Mudskipper and Oxudercinae are not synonymous, all of the mudskippers are members of the subfamily but not all of the members of the subfamily are called mudskippers, some are called gobies and many don't have common names.Quetzal1964 (talk) 19:24, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Oppose possibly reverse merge. "Mudskippers" is ambiguous - is it a taxon, fish with a particular name or fish with a particular characteristic? See Plovers CFD below. DexDor(talk) 20:54, 12 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Transformers: Chojin Masterforce character redirects to lists
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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus to rescope; rename to match main article Timrollpickering (talk) 09:29, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Transformers: Chojin Masterforce character redirects to lists to Category:Transformers: Super-God Masterforce character redirects to lists
 * Nominator's rationale: Transformers: Chojin Masterforce redirects to Transformers: Super-God Masterforce, so the category should be renamed accordingly. Morriswa (Charlotte Allison) (talk) 05:29, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Suggest changing this and anything related Category:Transformers (anime series) - or just delete. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Support rename. The English name appears to be Super-God Masterforce so the category should follow. --Gonnym (talk) 10:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Plovers
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting plovers


 * Nominator's rationale: This category puts a bird that is usually not found near bodies of water under Category:Shorebirds. The articles are all in more appropriate categories (e.g. Category:Charadriinae). DexDor(talk) 12:44, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Charadriinae, but leave a redirect, as this is a plausible search term. (alternatively reverse merge, as the taxonomic family name is obscure to non-specialists).  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:59, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The 4 articles are already in scientifically-named categories so no merge is necessary. Categories using scientific names are generally better than those using common names as they are more clearly defined and form a complete non-overlapping set. A non-specialist can go to the Plover article and from there go to the (scientifically-named) category (or just use normal hyperlinks to other articles). DexDor(talk) 19:33, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * PS re reverse merge - it should be noted that the interwiki links are generally on the scientifically-named categories (e.g. Category:Plovers has 1, Category:Charadrius has over 20). DexDor(talk) 05:32, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete. Are dotterels and kildeer plovers or not (every other species in the genus with these two has plover in the name)? A shared name element is not a defining characteristic. Plantdrew (talk) 01:10, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete as an inaccurate classification. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:37, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Houses in Lynnfield, Massachusetts
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:27, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Houses in Lynnfield, Massachusetts to Category:Buildings and structures in Lynnfield, Massachusetts
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to category:Houses in Essex County, Massachusetts. Small category (2 articles) for a small town. User:Namiba 14:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Also nominating:
 * Category:Houses in Groveland, Massachusetts to Category:Groveland, Massachusetts
 * Category:Houses in Nahant, Massachusetts to Category:Nahant, Massachusetts
 * Category:Restaurants in Saugus, Massachusetts to Category:Buildings and structures in Saugus, Massachusetts
 * Category:Houses in Saugus, Massachusetts to Category:Buildings and structures in Saugus, Massachusetts
 * Category:Houses in Swampscott, Massachusetts to Category:Buildings and structures in Swampscott, Massachusetts
 * Category:Houses in Lynn, Massachusetts to Category:Buildings and structures in Lynn, Massachusetts
 * Dual merge per nom. please use the standard nomination format "Propose merging X to Y and Z" to make the merge targets crystal clear to everyone. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:52, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Houses Dual Upmerge As Nominated/Alt Dual Upmerge for Restaurants The restaurant cat should also go up to Category:Restaurants in Massachusetts. Support rest as nominated. -RevelationDirect (talk) 22:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose.  has given no indication of the size of the other categories, and has not listed a second merge target with any of them. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The format is certainly poor as Marcocapelle pointed out; the rationale says they are all to be merged with Category:Houses in Essex County, Massachusetts. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


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Language of countries
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 * The result of the discussion was: Status quo there was a rough consensus against merging/renaming/deleting these categories. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mass media by language of India to Category:Mass media in India by language, duplicate scope
 * Propose merging Category:Mass media by language of Pakistan to Category:Mass media in Pakistan by language, duplicate scope
 * Propose renaming Category:Mass media by language of Malawi to Category:Mass media in Malawi by language, aligning with India and Pakistan and WP:C2C per Category:Mass media in Malawi by city
 * Propose renaming Category:Mass media by language of Nigeria to Category:Mass media in Nigeria by language, aligning with India and Pakistan and WP:C2C per Category:Mass media in Nigeria by city
 * Propose renaming Category:Mass media by language of Russia to Category:Mass media in Russia by language, aligning with India and Pakistan and WP:C2C per Category:Mass media in Russia by city
 * Propose merging Category:Newspapers by language of India to Category:Newspapers published in India by language, duplicate scope
 * Propose renaming Category:Cinema by language of India to Category:Indian cinema by language, WP:C2C per Category:Indian cinema by decade
 * Propose renaming Category:Cinema by language of Pakistan to Category:Pakistani cinema by language, WP:C2C per Category:Pakistani cinema by decade
 * Propose renaming Category:Magazines by language of India to Category:Indian magazines by language Category:Magazines published in India by language, WP:C2C per Category:Indian magazines by interest Category:Magazines published in India by interest
 * Propose renaming Category:Magazines by language of Pakistan to Category:Pakistani magazines by language Category:Magazines published in Pakistan by language, WP:C2C per Category:Pakistani magazines by interest Category:Magazines published in Pakistan by interest
 * Propose renaming Category:Television by language of India to Category:Indian television by language Category:Television in India by language, WP:C2C per Category:Indian television by decade Category:Television in India by decade
 * Propose renaming Category:Television by language of Pakistan to Category:Pakistani television by language Category:Television in Pakistan by language, WP:C2C per Category:Pakistani television by decade Category:Television in Pakistan by decade
 * Propose deleting Category:Categories by language of India
 * Propose deleting Category:Categories by language of Malawi
 * Propose deleting Category:Categories by language of Nigeria
 * Propose deleting Category:Categories by language of Pakistan
 * Propose deleting Category:Categories by language of Russia
 * Nominator's rationale: merge/rename/delete, the categories initially stroke me as oddly-named because the "of country" format almost suggests that languages are owned by countries. In fact for all of them more natural merge or rename targets are possible, as indicated. These container categories may have been created in order to make it more explicit that expatriate content is also allowed, but the articles are in a language subfolder which allows expatriate content anyway. So if that was behind it, it was a nice thought but not effective. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 *  Keep - it is a nice idea. As the nom says, the subcats have expatriate contents so the parent categories cannot be 'in India' etc. These are 'Mass media' subcatted by 'language of India' as opposed to 'Mass media in India' subcatted by 'language'. Different. If the nom thinks "of country" is not suitable for languages, then Category:Languages of Malawi etc would be the place to start.  Oculi (talk) 07:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Category:Pakistani mass media by language should have been renamed to Category:Mass media in Pakistan by language. None of its contents belong to the latter so it should just be deleted. Oculi (talk) 09:19, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * please clarify, do you ultimately suggest renaming or deleting? And does "it" refer back to Category:Pakistani mass media by language or to Category:Mass media in Pakistan by language? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Oculi's explanation of how the scope of these categories is different. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:10, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * don't you agree that e.g. Category:Mass media by language of India and Category:Mass media in India by language should contain the same language subcategories? Marcocapelle (talk) 10:40, 14 May 2020 (UTC) Let's first sort out Pakistan above and India will probably follow accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * For the record, the scope is not duplicated. The first category states, This category is part of Category:Categories by language of India which covers worldwide articles on media and other subjects by the major languages originating in India, including broadcasting and publications outside India.
 * If merged, the primary target for the first one should not be as nominated, but matching the current name without the country, I.e. Category:Mass media by language of India to Category:Mass media by language – as it is currently a diffusing sub-cat of the latter. Manual merging and further work would also be needed re other parents.
 * As for the nominated target Category:Mass media in India by language, it is currently used for "mass media in India by medium and language". If we want a category for "mass media in India by language and medium", whether merged into the former or kept separate, some of the language categories would require splitting into India-specific sub-cats, N.B. Tamil (also covers Sri Lanka, Malaysia and sundry others) and Urdu (Pakistan as well as India). This has been partly done e.g. for newspapers – see the sub-cats of the newspaper category nominated above. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:43, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not 'by language and medium' - Category:Mass media in India by language will necessarily contain the subcat Category:Newspapers published in India by language. Oculi (talk)

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 * I am surprised that this has been relisted, with 3 opposes. The proposal is just wrong. Hausa is spoken in several countries, not just Nigeria. Ditto most languages in Africa. The Chewa are found in Zimbabwe and Zambia as well as Malawi. www.gujarat.co.uk/ is Gujarati, clearly not in India. Category:Punjabi-language mass media is in both India and Pakistan categories, mannjittweeklyonline.com is Punjabi-language in the UK. The Sikh Times is published in Birmingham. Oculi (talk) 10:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Canada's Sports Hall of Fame inductees
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:18, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Canada's Sports Hall of Fame inductees
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
 * The Canada's Sports Hall of Fame recognizes Canadian athletes for their performance much earlier in their lives. This category groups athletes from different sports and different eras in one large category while the articles are already well grouped under their respective sports which better aid navigation: Gordie Howe is in 16 hockey categories, Barbara Wagner is in 13 skating & Olympic cats, and Ferguson Jenkins is in 29 baseball cats. This award tends to get mentioned in a list with other awards, although there are exceptions where it's in the lede or omitted entirely, so it doesn't seem generally defining. The contents of the category are already listified at List of members of Canada's Sports Hall of Fame. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Background We previously deleted similar national All Sports halls of fame for Germany here, Scotland here, and New Zealand here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 05:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator, per WP:NONDEFINING and per WP:OCAWARD. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * DElete yet more NN OCAWARD categories. Listify if necessary.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Jack Kirby Hall of Fame inductees
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Jack Kirby Hall of Fame inductees
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
 * The Jack Kirby Hall of Fame was an award from 1989 to 2001 named after Jack Kirby that recognized long careers as comic book artists. Like most halls of fame, this award reflects the fame of people that are already prominent in their profession and isn't defining. That's reflected in the articles where this award is generally listed in passing with other hall of fame inductions (Over the course of a weekend, one enthusiastic editor moved that awards paragraph to the intro for about half of these articles though.) The contents of the category are already listified here for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * *RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD


 * Delete per nom, yet another WP:OCAWARD category. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 12:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator, per WP:NONDEFINING and per WP:OCAWARD. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 00:53, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * DElete yet more NN OCAWARD categories. Listify if necessary.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


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