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Category:Villages in Belthangady taluka
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Category:Grimdark
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Category:Magic: The Gathering players
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Category:Festival of Lights

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Light festivals.  bibliomaniac  1  5  23:58, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting festival of lights


 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SHAREDNAME. This is an assortment of festivals in various countries, for various purposes, whose common attribute is a shared name.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Not sure. Perhaps we can rename this to Category:Light art festivals per parent Category:Light art. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:36, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep perhaps rename. The current contents, apart from the disam Festival of Lights are rightly all secular festivals/shows etc featuring lights. This seems a decent grouping - the common attribute is lots of fancy lights, whether rising to light art or not. A note declaring the scope is probably enough, also making it plain the various religious connotations are not covered.   Category:Light art festivals  would not really fit many.  The religious Nationwide Festival of Light does not fit and should be removed.  Johnbod (talk) 16:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * If "art" isn't always appropriate then a rename to Category:Light festivals will suffice instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment. As currently structured, this is a category by shared name, since it uses the capitalised form of proper name. If kept it should be renamed to a descriptive title along the lines of the suggestions above, and purged. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:31, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Category:Light festivals would be fine. Johnbod (talk) 01:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Babylon 5 wars
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Category:Dumb and Dumber

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 09:57, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Dumb and Dumber to Category:Dumb and Dumber (franchise)
 * Nominator's rationale: Main article is Dumb and Dumber (franchise), not Dumb and Dumber the film. ★Trekker (talk) 19:41, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per actual category content. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:42, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Sagarmatha Zone geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:02, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting sagarmatha zone geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Zones have been superseded by Provinces; articles have been re-sorted accordingly. Also nominate Sagarmatha-geo-stub for deletion. Her Pegship (I'm listening) 19:35, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The parent Category:Sagarmatha Zone should be nominated for merge, for the same reason. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:46, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Janakpur Zone geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:03, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting janakpur zone geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Zones have been superseded by Provinces. All articles have been re-tagged accordingly. Also delete Janakpur-geo-stub. Her Pegship (I'm listening) 19:31, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The parent Category:Janakpur Zone should be nominated for merge, for the same reason. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:47, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Species films

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 09:58, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Species films to Category:Species (film series)
 * Nominator's rationale: Standard as the main article is Species (film series). ★Trekker (talk) 19:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:31, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Camp Blood

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 09:58, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Camp Blood to Category:Camp Blood (film series)
 * Nominator's rationale: Standard as main article is Camp Blood (film series). ★Trekker (talk) 19:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:The Brotherhood series

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 09:58, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:The Brotherhood series to Category:The Brotherhood (film series)
 * Nominator's rationale: Standard. ★Trekker (talk) 18:24, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom, perhaps even speedy per WP:C2B. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Ligne

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 09:59, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ligne to Category:House of Ligne
 * Nominator's rationale: per head article House of Ligne. This is possibly a WP:C2D speedy, but also arguably not ... because the category text currently says wrongly that the head article is ligne ... which it clearly isn't.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:06, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename in the spirit of WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:TikTok-related lists

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:04, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tiktok-related lists


 * Propose deleting twitch-related lists


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. One list in each of these categories, and each of those lists are in Category:Lists of Internet-related superlatives. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete another "related" category without specified relationship requirements. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:32, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Songs by genre and artist nationality

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Although it is a consensus that "by nationality" is not appropriate, it's not clear whether this is because "by country" is more appropriate, or because the idea of a song having a "nationality" is not sound. The trend appears to be moving towards the latter, but that will probably need to be another discussion.  bibliomaniac  1  5  00:12, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Songs by genre and artist nationality to Category:Songs by genre and country
 * Propose renaming Category:Soul songs by nationality to Category:Soul songs by country
 * Propose renaming Category:Rhythm and blues songs by nationality to Category:Rhythm and blues songs by country
 * Propose renaming Category:Pop songs by nationality to Category:Pop songs by country
 * Propose renaming Category:Hip hop songs by nationality to Category:Hip hop songs by country
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk songs by nationality to Category:Folk songs by country
 * Propose renaming Category:Country music songs by nationality to Category:Country music songs by country
 * Nominator's rationale: Unify with supercategory and other members of the tree. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:08, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose for now. @1234qwer1234qwer4: In general, I think that "by country" would be a better way to organise these categories.  But all the subcats are "by nationality": e.g. we have Category:Irish folk songs, not  Category:Folk songs from Ireland.  So long as the subcats are by nationality, the container cats should reflect that.
 * Changing this wouldn't just be a matter of renaming. For any countries "Foo" with a large diaspora, "Fooish music" is produced on a large scale outside of "Foo". For example, there is a lot of Irish music in England. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:35, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Alt rename and  then? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:58, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * @1234qwer1234qwer4 I think that would be better for now. Without prejudice to any restructuring of the subcats. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:01, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that demonstrates the difficulty with the whole concept of "songs by country/nationality". There's Irish folk music; isn't it still Irish folk music when sung by an Australian or an American? One may also quibble whether every song by every folk singer who is/was Irish ought to roll up to Irish folk music - but that's a problem with all the daughter categories. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support By "nationality" just sounds weird. They're not people.★Trekker (talk) 18:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename, by nationality is at least as inaccurate as by country. Perhaps a midway solution could be "by country culture" but we do not have any other container categories by that parameter. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:52, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment nationality is wrong; but are we still ascribing songs by "country" - it should be "artist nationality" as formulated in the first category nominated. Most of the daughter categories contain "Joe Blow songs" where Joe Blow is of the nationality of the daughter category. We've had this discussion before about whether songs have nationalities or countries. I don't remember how it came out but I contend that they do not. If they do; they change nationalities whenever covered by someone "foreign"? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * An attempt to rename the parent Category:Songs by country to "by artist nationality", similar to what was done with the scheme for Category:Albums by artist nationality, was made 10 years ago. While most of the categories are attributed based on the nationality of the singer or band who recorded the songs, there were too many other possibilities as to what would make a song "American" or "Irish" or "Japanese" (e.g. national anthems, traditional folk songs). Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * @Carlossuarez46, that depends on the song. If a Mongolian or a Samoan sings Sean South and/or Follow Me up to Carlow (Youtube), they will remain overtly Irish songs. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 22:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The use of "Irish" in regards to folk music indicates not only origin but stylistic attributes, hence the citations to overtly "Irish" isn't nationality specific; the List of Irish ballads has Irish ballads composed other than in Ireland. Musicologists can probably identify "Irish folk music" regardless of who wrote it, where it was composed, or who sang it. Is that likely true with respect to Irish hip-hop, Canadian soft rock? Nothing indicates that a song has a nationality in the first place - which we have previously debated - does it depend on the composer (what if there's more than one, with different nationalities), where it was composed (a song "from" somewhere akin to how we categorize people), who recorded it (so covers can make a Fooish song into a non-Fooish song?) or where it debuted or something else? A folk song may remain "Irish" as you suppose on covers, but if a Mongolian composer/performer changes the song, does the resultant work cease to be "Irish" or become "Mongolian"? For example: Category:Fleetwood Mac songs are categorized in both American and British categories; songs which have been covered (notably) by other singers roll up to those singers' nationalities; America (My Country, 'Tis of Thee) sung to the tune of God Save the Queen is categorized under American songs even though the tune was composed elsewhere (perhaps the UK, perhaps not God Save the Queen) or Deutschlandlied music written by an Austrian isn't categorized as an Austrian song. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete all except Folk songs which should be renamed as proposed. These are really silly categories, because you are mixing up arrangement (i.e. the way the song is played) and nationality/country. Take the song When Irish Eyes Are Smiling under the proposed schemes you might need Category:Irish folk songs written by American Jewish songwriters (who never visited Ireland). Then if I record and make famous(and somebody probably has!) a Rhythm & Blues version of it, where do we put it then? The underlying problem is songs do not have a nationality, a passport or a place of residence, and the genre of the song can change by artist, by performance and by the ear of the listener. Then to make matters worse you want to conjoin these two. Not necessary, misleading and shows a great disregard for great music. NB Also already covered by artist by nationality. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:28, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Procedural comment: deleting container categories while the subcategories are kept (because they have not been nominated) does not make sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:53, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think one of subcategories should be nominated as a trial balloon; then see what happens... Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:17, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Points taken and . Does anybody else agree with me and wish to formulate a nomination as suggested? --Richhoncho (talk) 08:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Lyndon, Illinois

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lyndon, illinois


 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the head article Lyndon, Illinois and Lyndon Bridge.  Both articles already are adequately-categorised, so merge needed.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:19, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. The only other page I could find to put in there was Lyndon High School (Illinois), which is currently a redirect.  This town is under 700 people and dropping.  It's not going to get any more pages. --Closeapple (talk) 16:15, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Lue, New South Wales

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:07, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Lue, New South Wales to Category:Mid-Western Regional Council
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the head article Lue, New South Wales and Lue railway station.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:57, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Television channels based in Mathura

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Television stations in Uttar Pradesh and Category:Mathura.  bibliomaniac  1  5  00:00, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting television channels based in mathura


 * Nominator's rationale: The small category with no potential for expansion. Shyamsunder (talk) 13:50, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment. I created this because it was listed at Special:WantedCategories, and seemed to be part of a series under Category:Television stations in India by city.  I haven't researched its chances of expansion. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Television stations in Uttar Pradesh and Category:Mathura per WP:SMALLCAT, there aren't any other channels in Category:Mathura. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:59, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Malis

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 10:00, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Malis to Category:Malis (region)
 * Nominator's rationale: Dismabiguation. The article Malis is a dab page, which inks to Malis (region). That title is a redirect to Malians (Greek tribe), but this category is about geography not people, so "Malis (region)" seems  a better fit.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:16, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename to avoid ambiguity. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:04, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Mahogany Creek, Western Australia

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:04, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mahogany creek, western australia


 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the head article Mahogany Creek, Western Australia and Mahogany Inn.  Both articles already are adequately-categorised, so merge needed.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:06, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Makubetsu, Hokkaido
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. With the category more fully populated, WP:SMALLCAT does not seem to apply anymore.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:35, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting makubetsu, hokkaido


 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only 2 pages: the eponymous Makubetsu, Hokkaido and Chūrui Naumann Elephant Museum.  Both articles are already adequately categorised.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 12:58, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per 6 articles in cat. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 21:30, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. 6 articles is an improvement, but might still be excessive for such a small phenomenon. I don't oppose re-creating this category to re-organize if more articles come up. Feel free to correct me if anyone feels like 6 is a good number. Shooterwalker (talk) 20:47, 28 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Matsumae, Hokkaido
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. With the category more fully populated, WP:SMALLCAT does not apply anymore.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:36, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting matsumae, hokkaido


 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only 2 pages: Matsumae, Hokkaido and a Matsumae Town Historical Museum.  Both articles are already categorised appropriately, so need to merge.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 11:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * per WP:SMALLCAT thins is a ludicrous nomination; if you look on the left hand side of the page there is a Languages section, check the home language - >45 pages at present; also, on the left side under Tools, What links here you can find maybe a dozen or so English pages which currently should be added to the category; also, read WP:SMALLCAT re future potential, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 12:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * @Maculosae tegmine lyncis: if and when those other articles are created, then we can reconsider. But right now, we have a two-article category which serves no purpose. If you believe that the other existing articles can be added to the category, please add them.  I checked Matsumae, Hokkaido and saw no listed sub-topics to add, and no redlinks to indicate future potential. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:01, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The discussion continues at User talk:BrownHairedGirl, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 08:18, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Or, more comprehensive still, to search, type a nonsense string such as askgjas;gj into the Search box in the top right corner of the page, then press enter, then type the municipality name into the Special page>search box that results, then run that search and review for relevant already existing pages, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 08:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Purge, the two inhabited islands are far away from the town. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * May I suggest you address your administrative concerns to the Japanese government - once they are in agreement, perhaps the islands might be recategorized, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 08:01, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The town and the two remote islands are apparently part of the same municipality, but the category is about the town (part of the "Populated places" tree) and the town does not coincide with the municipality. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:58, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "What is a city but the people?" (Shakespeare/Sophocles/Thucydides) Japanese municipalities, whether "city", "town", or "village", are an administrative layer - were one to fall from the moon and land, for instance, in Usa, one would find oneself subject alike to municipal, prefectural, and national government and administration; one passes immediately from one municipality to the next (as the road signs attest), even where the "urban centre", such that it is, is dozens of kilometres away, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * We do not have categories of municipalities, we have categories of populated places. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you recommending additional categories? eg Matsumae (Matsumae) and Matsumae (not Matsumae) or Matsumae (qua town as populated place) Matsumae (qua town as administrative construct) Matsumae (qua lieu imaginaire) Matsumae (qua...) etc? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 20:07, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Not at all, I have no idea what brought you to that thought. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * How would you categorize pages on a large number of notable uninhabited islands in one municipality? Also, Category:Islands of Edinburgh and Liberty Island, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 07:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * They should be in an islands category, not in a town category. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * So, you're proposing a separate category for the two islands that are part of the town? The islands are part of the town, so they belong in the category about the town. All this splitting hairs is getting ridiculous. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 17:13, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You keep confusing "town" (populated place) with "municipality" (administrative subdivision of a country). No, I did not say a separate category for two islands. Having them in a bigger islands group category or an islands category at prefecturate or country level are better possibilities. In this case they are in Category:Islands of the Sea of Japan, Category:Islands of Hokkaido and Category:Uninhabited islands of Japan which is perfectly fine, nothing needs to be added.Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You seem to be thinking that the category can't cover both the populated place and the municipality at the same time. These categories do exactly that. Additionally, there's no reason the islands can't be in all three categories (or two, if they are inhabited). They are part of the town itself, whether they have people living on them or not. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 07:28, 9 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep per 7 articles in the cat. The islands are part of the town itself, which is what the category is for (articles about the town or things in the town). ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 21:35, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as 7 articles is still a fairly WP:SMALLCAT. Not opposed to re-creating this category as more articles are created. It might help to have some sense of a good target number. Shooterwalker (talk) 20:50, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The accepted number of articles to avoid SMALLCAT seems to be 5, based on reading through many, many of these discussions. Additionally, many of these cats are very highly populated on jawiki, which indicates a "realistic potential for growth", one of the SMALLCAT reasons given fornot deleting. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 21:04, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Respectfully paging Marcocapelle as someone who I trust on this, as someone who is experienced at patrolling these category discussions. I'm not sure if he's seen the category growth, and I would like to see if that changes anything for him. (Always remember WP:NOTREQUIRED if these discussions start to feel like they're going in circles.) Shooterwalker (talk) 21:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have never supported deletion of this category anyway. It was further populated before I reacted the first time. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Elections in the Southwestern Tagalog Region
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 10:00, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Elections in the Southwestern Tagalog Region to Category:Elections in Mimaropa
 * Nominator's rationale: Apparently the main article is still at "Mimaropa" so this newly created article has to be changed to reflect that. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2C and WP:C2E. @Howard the Duck, a wee pointer for future reference: since this meets at least one speedy criterion, you could have saved time for everyone by listing at WP:CFDS. No need for a discussion. (This is not a reproach! Just a note for future reference). -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 11:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Matthews family
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Alternatively, just delete it per WP:SMALLCAT, since it contains only three articles. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:10, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Matthews family to Category:Matthews family (American politics)
 * Nominator's rationale: to disambiguate it from the article Matthews family, which is about American footballers.


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. (Or rename if kept.) Marcocapelle (talk) 19:21, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, and suggest that Category:Matthews football family be moved to Category:Matthews family to conform with the head article at Matthews family.  bibliomaniac 1  5  06:28, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete and support Bibliomaniac15's suggestion for re-name and reorganize. This is a WP:SMALLCAT. Shooterwalker (talk) 20:42, 28 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Politics of Mimaropa
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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Politics of Mimaropa to Category:Politics of the Southwestern Tagalog Region
 * Nominator's rationale: New name of the region. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The parent category is Category:Mimaropa, and the head article is Mimaropa. So this category is correctly named.
 * @Howard the Duck, feel free to open a WP:RM discussion to propose renaming the head article. If that is closed as rename, then Category:Mimaropa and all its subcats can be speedily renamed per WP:C2D.  But unless and until the head article is renamed by consensus, the current category titles are correct. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs)
 * Yes, I'd agree on that. You can close this and I'll CSD another article I created named under the "Southwestern Tagalog Region" to "Mimaropa". Howard the Duck (talk) 11:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Manoj Comics
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:08, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Manoj Comics to Category:Indian comics
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, almost suitable for WP:C2F. Contains only the head article Manoj Comics ... plus Crookbond, which redirects to Manoj Comics.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 08:21, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Mapoon, Queensland
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:08, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mapoon, Queensland to Category:Shire of Cook
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only two pages: Mapoon, Queensland and Agnew Airport.  No sign of anything with which to expand the category.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 08:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Merenre Nemtyemsaf I
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:05, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting merenre nemtyemsaf i


 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only two articles (Merenre Nemtyemsaf I and Pyramid of Merenre), and the head article shows little scope for expanding the category. The two articles are already well-categorised, so no need to merge.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:56, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:26, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:MEMU
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:08, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:MEMU to Category:Rail transport navigational boxes of India
 * Nominator's rationale: Misnamed template category with only one page: Template:BF Route (MEMU).  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:51, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:McLean family
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  bibliomaniac  1  5  00:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:McLean family to Category:McLean family (United States)
 * Nominator's rationale: Disambiguation. The article McLean family is about Australian rugby players.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. It needs a definition, but seems notable enough. Dimadick (talk) 07:44, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete (or rename per nom), as this family does not have an article it also does not need a category. Also borderline WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:30, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Related discussion. See centralised discussion on family categories at WT:CATP. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:26, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Morton family
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  bibliomaniac  1  5  00:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Morton family to Category:Morton family (United States)
 * Nominator's rationale: Disambiguation. This category is for the family of United States Vice President Levi P. Morton.  The  head article Morton family is about a fictional English family.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 01:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete (or rename per nom), as this family does not have an article it also does not need a category. Also borderline WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Large enough category with 6 articles. Dimadick (talk) 07:44, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Related discussion. See centralised discussion on family categories at WT:CATP. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:26, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Mortimer family
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Mortimer family (English nobility).  bibliomaniac  1  5  00:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Mortimer family to Category:Mortimer family (aristocracy)
 * Nominator's rationale: disambiguation. The article Mortimer family is about a different family, notable for their involvement in rugby league.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 01:33, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. There is an article Baron Mortimer so the deletion rationale in the nomination above does not apply here, nor does WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. This is a subcategory of "noble families". Dimadick (talk) 07:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Mortimer family (English nobility).  I don't like "aristocracy" used for England - nobility is the correct term, used by historians and the parent Category:Noble families of the United Kingdom.  This is especially the case for the Middle Ages, when nearly all these people lived.  The name is of French origin, & maybe held by some French people, so I think disaming to "English" is desirable.  Johnbod (talk) 17:21, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 'Nobility' instead of 'aristocracy' is definitely an improvement. I am neutral about adding 'English'. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:47, 3 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Support Johnbod: this is a good solution. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:21, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Related discussion. See centralised discussion on family categories at WT:CATP. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:26, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Monadology
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  00:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Monadology
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, and confused terminology. Only two articles in this cat: Monadology is a a philosophical book by Gottfried Leibniz and Monism is a philosophical concepts, but this category parented in Category:Calculus.  So far as I can see, the only link to calculus here is that Leibniz  also did a lot of work on calculus.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 01:21, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - send this back to the universal substance from which it was created. Grutness... wha?   04:43, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, category contains two entirely unrelated articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Monism. This may not be the ideal solution, but it prevents the eponymous article (largely on a book by Leibnitz) being orphaned.  Leibnitz and Newton were independently the devisers of calculus, but that seems quite separate.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Please explain how the article Monadology fits in Category:Monism. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:27, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Immortal (professional wrestling) members
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting immortal (professional wrestling) members


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF, this is a minor professional wrestling stable that existed for less than two years. User:Namiba 00:24, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Pages using infobox pro wrestling championship with won without champion
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 * The result of the discussion was: speedily renamed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:32, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Pages using infobox pro wrestling championship with won without champion to Category:Pages using infobox professional wrestling championship with won without champion
 * Propose renaming Category:Pages using infobox pro wrestling championship with small tags to Category:Pages using infobox professional wrestling championship with small tags
 * Propose renaming Category:Pages using infobox pro wrestling championship with retired and current to Category:Pages using infobox professional wrestling championship with retired and current


 * Nominator's rationale: C2D  JTP (talk • contribs) 00:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Please list speedy nominations at WP:CFDS next time. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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