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Category:Coke Studio recreated songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:19, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting coke studio recreated songs


 * Nominator's rationale: Songs performed on a TV show are not defining for those songs. Effectively a re-creation of a recently deleted category, Coke Studio Songs Richhoncho (talk) 17:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'd say this qualifies as a G4 recreation and should be speedied. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:41, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy We just did this. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:10, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. I didn't take this to speedy because it is not a 'precise' recreation of a deleted category, but if anybody wants to G4 this, I would not object. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:15, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Too few names after all. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 22:17, 6 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of Australian comedy-sitcom television series episodes

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 10:20, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of Australian comedy-sitcom television series episodes to Category:Lists of Australian comedy television series episodes
 * Nominator's rationale: Confusing name. Not all pages included in this category are sitcoms, some are simply comedy series, so it doesn't make sense to group both in the same category.  snap snap  (talk) 17:09, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Academics of the University of Malaya

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 * The result of the discussion was: Reverse merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:23, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Academics of the University of Malaya to Category:University of Malaya faculty
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories. University of Foo faculty seems to be the most frequent format for other categories in (4 to 1), and generally the most common format for similar Wikipedia categories. Place Clichy (talk) 15:55, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support, obvious duplicates. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is another example of the North Americanisation of English Wikipedia. In much of the world, particularly Commonwealth countries such as Malaysia, the term "faculty" actually refers to a division within a university. Only in North America does it refer to academic personnel. Over the years American and Americanised editors have manipulated Wikipedia categories so that overwhelming majority of categories for academic personnel outside of North America use "faculty" rather than "academics" even though WP:COMMONNAME requires that they use "academics".--Obi2canibe (talk) 14:39, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You are right, I had forgotten about this. So it should be a reverse merge instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:11, 6 June 2020 (UTC)


 * REverse merge -- This use of faculty is an Americanism inappropriate to Commonwealth countries. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:32, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge. Use of "faculty" in this way is an Americanism and inappropriate for most Commonwealth countries. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:53, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Climate change deniers

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete and salt Timrollpickering (talk) 10:23, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting climate change deniers


 * Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to this discussion. Now that was deleted, keeping this redirect (pointing to ) only creates confusion. It would be logical to also delete it. Note that if Climate change deniers had been pointed to Climate change denialists as could be reasonably expected, it would have been eligible to speedy deletion per WP:G8 as dependent of a now-deleted page. Place Clichy (talk) 15:36, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 15:39, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per previous discussion. In addition it may make sense to salt both in order to prevent recreation. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:06, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete and Salt per previous discussions. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:11, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose (and populate) climate change is a fact supported by a majority of scientist. To claim climate change is fake to be a denier, straight and simple, same as claiming the Holocaust never happened is to be a Holocaust denier. I know this is probably a lost cause, but the previous two CFDs were faulty in my opinion, and 3 wrongs do not make a right. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 22:19, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * What will we do when Category:Climate change denial is filled up with biographical articles? Rathfelder (talk) 09:15, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I have added a hatnote to the category page in order to discourage that. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:32, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * A discussion about the hatnote has started at Category_talk:Climate_change_denial. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 8 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Though not sure if salting is necessary for now. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 22:04, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This belongs at RfD, not CfD. Anyway, from my experience with Category:Holocaust deniers I can tell you that a key difference between climate change denial and Holocaust denial is that the former is much broader and fuzzier than the latter, so it is inappropriate to lump all views counter to scientific consensus under one label. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 23:55, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:The Sandlot film series
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 11%23Category:The Sandlot film series

Category:Disambiguation page with short description

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus to delete; rename to Category:Disambiguation pages with short descriptions Timrollpickering (talk) 15:38, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Disambiguation page with short description to Category:Disambiguation pages with short description
 * Nominator's rationale: Should be plural. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:22, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, And We should consider maybe renaming it to Category:Disambiguation pages with short descriptions as It pluralizes the two nouns. And it rolls off the tongue so much easier. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 13:38, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Alt Rename to Category:Disambiguation pages with short descriptions as proposed by ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05. (If that doesn't have consensus, then rename as originally proposed.) RevelationDirect (talk) 02:13, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete unless anyone can identify a useful purpose the category serves. DexDor(talk) 21:28, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per DexDor. I was under the impression that the disambiguation template provides a short description, so this category would be populated with every dab page? What's the point? &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 19:40, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. And I note the template does not provide a short description, just a definition of disambiguation, nothing useful about the page, and so is unneeded anyway per WP:SHORTDESC. -- JHunterJ (talk) 20:24, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Jerry Kilgore (singer) songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:24, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jerry kilgore (singer) songs


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one entry which is a redirect. No assistance to editing Richhoncho (talk) 09:18, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support, no assistance to navigation (is probably what nom meant too). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Mass media theorists

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:02, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Mass media theorists to Category:Media theorists
 * Propose renaming Category:Mass media scholars to Category:Media scholars
 * Nominator's rationale: Categories caught in up, speedily, in the not-entirely-thought-out universal find/replace of "media" with "mass media." Their subcats use "media", not "mass media", and I would challenge anyone to find any reliable source that describes a scholar here as a "mass media theorist" rather than a "media theorist."  We should follow reliable sources in categorizing articles. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment, it would not surprise me if the same problem occurs with more "media + occupation" categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * A complete list is Category:American mass media scholars, Category:Australian mass media scholars, Category:British mass media scholars, Category:Danish mass media scholars,  Category:Dutch mass media scholars,  Category:French mass media scholars, Category:German mass media scholars,  Category:Japanese mass media scholars,  Category:Mass media scholars, Category:Norwegian mass media scholars,  Category:Russian mass media scholars,  Category:Swiss mass media scholars, Category:Mass media scholars by nationality, Category:Mass media theorists, Category:Mass media theories. As I proposed the speedies I would be happy to authorise speedy reverts of all these. Oculi (talk) 10:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename – both the categories and subcategories. In today's world, what media isn't mass media? Senator2029  <u style="color:#003FFF;">“Talk”   12:16, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * the subcats cannot be renamed by this discussion unless they are tagged and listed here. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 12:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "What media isn't mass media? As an artist I'd have to say oils, acrylics, graphite, charcoal, collage, photography... Grutness... wha?   03:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Leaning to oppose. @UnitedStatesian, I accepted your challenge:
 * Google Scholar gives 35 hits for "mass media theorist"
 * Not any of the people we have articles on. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:25, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * JSTOR gives gives 1 hit for "mass media theorist"
 * Not a person with a Wikipedia article. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:25, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Google Books gives 91 hits for "mass media theorist"
 * Not any of the authors we have articles on. Contrast that with the 568 GBooks hits for "media theorist" (presumably 477 if you subtract the 91 that are presumably mass media theorist). UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:25, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that while the COMMONNAME is "media theorists", the use of "mass media theorists" adds a terse but helpful disambiguator from theorists of e.g. storage media. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 12:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Is there such a theorist? And is there such a reader who requires such help? And by your logic don't we need even further "helpful" disambiguation to clarify that these are not theorists of media that discusses the mass of objects? UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:27, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree that such distinction is not necessary. The category is for "theorists about media" because "media" is inclusive of all "mass" forms (television, radio, newspaper, magazine, etc.) <span style="font-family:Futura,serif;"><u style="color:#003FFF;">Senator2029 <u style="color:#003FFF;">“Talk”   18:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Support based on the GBooks frequency distribution. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - the rationale for speedy is that the head category is (a long-standing name), and the people subcat is  (which was omitted from Marcocapelle's bulk nom listed at Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_April_18, which did list most of ). It has always been argued at cfd that predictability and consistency in category names is desirable. Oculi (talk) 21:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  03:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose, based on the fact that media can also refer to materials used in art, and that there are quite a few people who have expressed theories about their use. Josef Albers, for example, is a media theorist, though he has little if anything to do with mass media. Note that Media is a quite comprehensive disambiguation page. Grutness... wha?   03:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


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Eponymous Japanese voice actor management company categories
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete all Timrollpickering (talk) 10:26, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 81 produce


 * Propose deleting across entertainment‎


 * Propose deleting aoni production‎


 * Propose deleting arts vision


 * Propose deleting i'm enterprise‎


 * Propose deleting ken production‎


 * Propose deleting mausu promotion‎


 * Propose deleting production baobab‎


 * Propose deleting sigma seven‎


 * Propose deleting tokyo actor's consumer's cooperative society‎


 * Nominator's rationale: Seems an unnecessary level of categorization for one subcategory each of voice actors. All the subcats all share the parent Category:Japanese voice actors by agency, while articles on the companies are sufficiently categorized in Category:Japanese voice actor management companies, without a need for this extra layer of categorization. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  03:09, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support The categories have few names. Better to include the concerning names in broader category. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 22:32, 6 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Football Federation Australia Hall of Fame inductees
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Football Federation Australia Hall of Fame inductees
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
 * The Football Federation Australia Hall of Fame was created in 1999 and recognizes the lifetime achievement of association football/soccer people (as opposed to Australian rules football). Winners are required to be retired so this award is inherently reflecting earlier accomplishments. I went through half the articles and but most of them don't even mention the award in the text, although a healthy minority mention it in passing and a few even in the lede, so it doesn't seem generally defining. (All of them had Template:Football Federation Australia Hall of Fame though.) The articles are under more specific subcategories of the Category:Soccer people in Australia tree that better aid navigation. The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:04, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 13:39, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per OCAWARD. Another NN award category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:32, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian Curling Hall of Fame inductees
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  18:43, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Canadian Curling Hall of Fame inductees
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
 * The Canadian Curling Hall of Fame recognizes the lifetime achievement of athletes. Like most halls of fame, it reflects rather than amplifies their fame so it doesn't seem defining and the articles generally mention it in passing. All of the articles are already in Category:Canadian curling champions, Category:Brier champions, Category:Canadian curling coaches and other more specific Canadian curling categories that better aid navigation. The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Background We recently deleted a American and Scandinavian curling halls of fame categories with similar issues here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:05, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. 90% of curlers in the world are Canadian, thus the Canadian Curling Hall of Fame can be seen as the top curling hall of fame in the world. It's one of the criteria for notability for curlers (WP:CURLING). It's the equivalent of the Hockey Hall of Fame for the NHL (which has its own category for membership). It is not the same as the US or Swedish halls. -- Earl Andrew - talk 12:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:NSPORT frequently uses halls of fame to save time with determining notability for athletes in the article space: "If they are in hall of fame X, they must have done something meaningful in X sport earlier in their lives." The vast majority of HOFs reflect rather than create that fame though so the award is not defining in the category space while the original sources of that fame (Olympics, Brier, etc.) are very defining.RevelationDirect (talk) 15:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Another OCAWARD category. So your telling us we should keep this category because "90% of curlers in the world are Canadian, thus the Canadian Curling Hall of Fame can be seen as the top curling hall of fame in the world." This still doesn't even remotely counteract the OCAWARD policy at all. And your statement a clear example of  WP:ARBITRARYCAT. If were going keep this we might as well make all of the other ones for different lower percentage countries then. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 13:35, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom; presumably, these folks are notable for something notable that earned them admission to the Hall of Fame? Those events are proper categories per WP:OCAWARD. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per OCAWARD. Another NN award category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:32, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Several other categories already exists to deal with the subject. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 23:11, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


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