Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 March 7



Category:Book series based on Dune
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Category:Dune series adaptations

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 18:47, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Dune series adaptations to Category:Dune (franchise) cinematic adaptations
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is specially for film and TV adaptions so the title should say so, however I'm not sure what the proper title should be. Cinematic might be a good option, Category:Dune (franchise) film and television adaptations might be another. If someone has a better one, let me know. Gonnym (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to parent Category:Works based on Dune (franchise); it contains 2 films and 2 TV series, each too small for a medium-specific category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:59, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no issue with this if this is what the consensus is. Still better than the current category. --Gonnym (talk) 22:16, 13 March 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Documents referencing religion

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:28, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting documents referencing religion


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, in case a document is merely referencing religion but it does not concern a religious document, it is unlikely to be a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:31, 7 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete I would question if even "concerns a religious document" is sufficiently defining for a category. The category would bloat to an unimaginable size. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:09, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete -- At present it only contains US Constitution, which mentions the separation of church and state, but if this were properly populated it would be wholly unmanageable. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:05, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge with Category:Book series based on Dune, since apparently religion is referenced in that franchise. Okay, okay...let's just say delete :-)  The rationale makes sense, but Peterkingiron's argument is strongest; there's no real point in a category tree that's going to be unimaginably large because of its vagueness.  The only way a massive tree is appropriate is if it's not just defining but truly fundamental to something, e.g. Category:Living people or Category:History.  Nyttend backup (talk) 12:13, 14 March 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Print media people from Liverpool

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 16:26, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting print media people from liverpool


 * Nominator's rationale: Only content is 2 subcategories, both already adequately categorised. We dont have any other categories of Print media people, and in any case writers & publishers are no longer confined to print media. Rathfelder (talk) 15:42, 7 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:06, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Oculi (talk) 15:41, 15 March 2020 (UTC)


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Category:South African people by first language

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 16:25, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting south african people by first language


 * Propose deleting Category:Afrikaans-speaking South African people
 * Propose deleting Category:Anglophone South African people
 * Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia has thousands of articles about South African people, but just 18 people are in this category tree. Most articles about people don't explictly state what the person's first language was so categories like this are inevitably massively incomplete or based on OR. We don't have a category tree like this for most countries.  Note: Afaics, none of the articles (including the article that's not about a specific person), needs to be upmerged. DexDor(talk) 10:25, 7 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - curious choice of languages as there about 50 languages in South Africa: Category:Languages of South Africa. Oculi (talk) 12:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, we should only categorize people by language if they are have an occupation in which their language is verifiable, such as writers and actors, see the tree of Category:People by occupation and language‎. The tree of Category:People by first language‎ on the other hand should be entirely deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:47, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:58, 10 March 2020 (UTC)


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Category:10th-century French monarchs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 20:25, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:10th-century French monarchs to Category:10th-century kings of France
 * Propose renaming Category:11th-century French monarchs to Category:11th-century kings of France
 * Propose renaming Category:12th-century French monarchs to Category:12th-century kings of France
 * Propose renaming Category:13th-century French monarchs to Category:13th-century kings of France
 * Propose renaming Category:14th-century French monarchs to Category:14th-century kings of France
 * Propose renaming Category:15th-century French monarchs to Category:15th-century kings of France
 * Propose renaming Category:16th-century French monarchs to Category:16th-century kings of France
 * Propose renaming Category:17th-century French monarchs to Category:17th-century kings of France
 * Propose renaming Category:18th-century French monarchs to Category:18th-century kings of France
 * Propose renaming Category:19th-century French monarchs to Category:19th-century monarchs of France
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, more accurate description of the people in these categories, also per Category:Kings of France. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:15, 7 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Query what about the "Navseasoncats" template? Wouldn't the nom effectively destroy it or require two such templates? Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:12, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * For the 19th century I can add something manually if this nomination gets consensus. Or alternatively, if others editors think it is a good idea, we can rename Category:19th-century French monarchs to Category:19th-century kings of France and move the emperors to the heads of state category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:38, 8 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Support -- The final one has to be monarchs because it includes Emperors and Louis Phillipe, whose title was King of the French (not of France). Peterkingiron (talk) 19:08, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and undertakings above. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:50, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


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Category:9th-century French monarchs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 16:25, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 9th-century french monarchs


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, anachronistic category, in the 9th century there were Frankisch monarchs Marcocapelle (talk) 09:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. No such monarchs existed at that time. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:13, 8 March 2020 (UTC)


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Category:American people of Swedo-Finnish descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:25, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:American people of Swedo-Finnish descent to Category:American people of Finnish descent
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, per earlier discussion about sibling categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 7 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Reluctantly support -- I believe that the outcome of the previous discussion was wrong, but that is the precedent. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:11, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete another unnecessary "descent" category; this more unnecessary than most. If "Finnish" refers to the ethnic group (rather than the political entity), presumably as Finns were the earlier arrivals in Finland, and Swedes came later, someone would upmerge to both. If it's purely the political entity, then those whose "descent" pre-dates establishment of the nation of Finland in 1917 should be excluded; as we don't have people of political sub-unit descent (Category:People of Pennsylvanian descent anyone?). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 02:02, 10 March 2020 (UTC)


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