Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 May 1



Category:Afrikaans-language websites

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 * The result of the discussion was: remove DMOZ and then merge, but I will exclude Category:Albanian-language websites as more content has since been added there and it usefully diffuses these from the "mass media" parent. These merges are WP:SOFTDELETEs, i.e. any of them may be re-created if enough content is found to make them useful for navigation. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:38, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Afrikaans-language websites to Category:Afrikaans-language mass media
 * Nominator's rationale: This is to merge 26 language website categories with only one or two members into mass media categories in line with WP:SMALLCAT. In most cases the members are the multilingual website DMOZ and a local wikipedia. Also to merge 3 encyclopedia categories containing only a local wikipedia into mass media categories, similarly in line with WP:SMALLCAT. TSventon (talk) 22:28, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Albanian-language websites to Category:Albanian-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Aragonese-language websites to Category:Aragonese-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Assamese-language websites to Category:Assamese-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Bosnian-language websites to Category:Bosnian-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Breton-language websites to Category:Breton-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Estonian-language websites to Category:Estonian-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Indonesian-language websites to Category:Indonesian-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Kannada-language websites to Category:Kannada-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Kazakh-language websites to Category:Kazakh-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Latin-language websites to Category:Latin-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Macedonian-language websites to Category:Macedonian-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Marathi-language websites to Category:Marathi-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Occitan-language websites to Category:Occitan-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Ossetian-language websites to Category:Ossetian-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Punjabi-language websites to Category:Punjabi-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Romansh-language websites to Category:Romansh-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Serbian-language websites to Category:Serbian-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Sindhi-language websites to Category:Sindhi-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Slovene-language websites to Category:Slovene-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Tatar-language websites to Category:Tatar-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Thai-language websites to Category:Thai-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Uyghur-language websites to Category:Uyghur-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Uzbek-language websites to Category:Uzbek-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Volapük websites to Category:Volapük mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Welsh-language websites to Category:Welsh-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Breton-language encyclopedias to Category:Breton-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Odia encyclopaedias to Category:Odia-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Volapük encyclopedias to Category:Volapük mass media


 * Purge DMOZ from all of them, and optionally merge what's left if relevant. DMOZ is already categorised under Category:Multilingual websites. In no way can all of these individual languages be considered defining characteristics for a single directory. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Purge per Paul_012, then merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:54, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Many of these categories seem to be underpopulated. Many website articles are currently only categorised by country and not by language. But do we want to do both, as they will be largely redundant? --Paul_012 (talk) 22:40, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: my thinking on that question was that the categories I nominated are not useful with their current contents so in my view should be merged. I am not sure how to resolve the duplication issue: websites raise further questions as not all articles specify the language of the website and I am not sure whether websites in a small number of languages as multilingual or (for example) Turkmen, Russian and English. Out of interest I checked Category:Danish-language newspapers, which contained 39 articles (plus a subcategory for Danish-language newspapers published in the United States‎) with Category:Newspapers published in Denmark, which contained the same 39 articles. In contrast Category:Icelandic-language newspapers is incomplete compared to Category:Newspapers published in Iceland. TSventon (talk) 03:35, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think Category:Newspapers published in Denmark should become a subcategory of Category:Danish-language newspapers even while not every newspaper is necessarily in Danish language. By doing that, an article only needs to be in a country category and a language category if it is written in a minority language of that country. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hold nomination: U|Marcocapelle (and U|Paul 012) that would make sense, presumably it would need a CfD proposal (and quite a lot of work)? It would apply to other subcategories of Category:Mass media by language too. While Belgium has Category:French-language newspapers published in Belgium, Category:French-language newspapers published in Europe seems to exclude most French-language newspapers published in France.
 * Also, presumably Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina websites should become a subcategory of Category:Bosnian-language websites, which would mean reconsidering some of the mergers. TSventon (talk) 13:03, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no need to hold this nomination at all. The proposed mergers are keeping the content in a language category anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Marcocapelle, My thinking is that if I added Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina websites to Category:Bosnian-language websites, then I would withdraw the merger of Category:Bosnian-language websites to Category:Bosnian-language mass media and I would also check the other nominations as many countries have a websites category containing some websites in the national language. TSventon (talk) 20:49, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * update: Marcocapelle, Paul_012, I have struck 11 nominations where I have found additional content. TSventon (talk) 08:53, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No, the only thing that would be left in Category:Bosnian-language websites in that new structure is a country subcategory and (highly unlikely) Bosnian-language websites in other countries than Bosnia and Herzegovina. So WP:SMALLCAT still applies. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:57, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Marcocapelle Category:Websites by language contains a lot of small categories (and subcategories). I was nominating the smallest ones and am unsure where to draw the line. Category:Danish-language newspapers currently contains 39 articles, would it be a WP:SMALLCAT if it only contained Category:Newspapers published in Denmark and Category:Danish-language newspapers published in the United States‎? Or if it only contained Category:Newspapers published in Denmark?
 * Place Clichy thank you for removing non-defining language categories from DMOZ. TSventon (talk) 09:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * In case the regional spread of a language almost coincides with a country, we will hardly need a language tree for media at all, probably except at the very highest level. Denmark is a good examples of that. Which reminds me of something completely different (almost off-topic): Bosnian is just a variant (dialect) of the Serbo-Croatian language, right? Marcocapelle (talk) 09:55, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I agree that "we will hardly need a language tree for media at all" in cases like Danish, but wouldn't that need its own discussion? The general rule is that A language is a dialect with an army and navy. Obviously the situation in Bosnia is more complicated than that.
 * I have now purged Inform Napalm of 28 non defining language categories. TSventon (talk) 10:22, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm really not sure about this. Going by the newspaper analogy and Thailand, for example, there are several English-language newspapers published in Thailand, but no notable Thai-language newspapers that are published elsewhere. But it's of course pretty much the opposite for international languages that don't correspond 1:1 to a country. The only truly logical way to deal with this would be to categorise both by language and country, separately. This is what is done with film articles. But we seem not to want to go this path, given the redundancy it will necessarily generate. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Marcocapelle, Paul_012, I have restored the original version. TSventon (talk) 13:59, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Quite a few of these categories have been emptied out of process. Liz Read! Talk! 20:23, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Liz that was the removal of 88 language website categories from DMOZ on 9 May, thus leaving some of them empty. TSventon (talk) 20:53, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Roman gladiators

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  01:53, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman gladiators to Category:Gladiators
 * Nominator's rationale: This would normally fall under WP:C2D, but since Category:Gladiators is currently a disambiguation category, I'm putting it here. Other meanings are in my opinion secondary and the primary topic is evident. Brandmeistertalk  18:42, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose per the existance of Category:Gladiators (franchise). For categories the distinction between primary and secondary topic is less relevant, what matters that it is too risky that articles are going to be miscategorized. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That category is already parenthetically disambiguated which supports the notion that Gladiator is the primary topic. One of the several similar instances is Category:Warriors, with secondary Category:Warriors (video game series) and Category:Warriors (novel series). I don't think the Gladiators franchise is equally or more popular justifying a disambig, but if it is, then, well, a social trend along the lines of Fahrenheit 451. Brandmeistertalk  19:53, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I also don't think the Gladiators franchise is equally or more popular, but as said that is not the point at stake. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per Marcocapelle. There was quite a long time, perhaps now past, when in the UK the primary meaning of Gladiators (plural) was a TV show. Oculi (talk) 20:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. While Roman gladiators may be the primary ones for article purposes, there are a lot of other uses of the word, and as a category title, I think this is just fine—speaking as a classicist, I naturally prefer the meaning in a historical context, but I don't think this category title is problematic. A lot of existing Roman categories are titled this way.  P Aculeius (talk) 13:52, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose Target is a dab-cat because it needs to be, to prevent it picking up articles about other uses of the word. This is necessary with categories, classically not Category:Birmingham, but West Midlands or Alabama.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:28, 3 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional character redirects to lists

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 17:48, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional character redirects to lists to Category:Fictional character redirects
 * Propose renaming Category:Redirects from fictional characters to Category:All fictional character redirects
 * Nominator's rationale: While this category is named "Fictional character redirects to lists" the actual template is named R from fictional character since 2014 after this and this discussions, and the template text itself mentions that it can be for non-list entries as well. This means that not all redirects tagged with this template are "to lists".


 * This naming would match the one used for fictional location redirects: Category:Fictional location redirects and Category:All fictional location redirects which was recently renamed. If this passes, then followup speedy nominations can be done for the sub-categories. Gonnym (talk) 10:45, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * This would mean all the redirects that actually go to lists (a lot) should be tagged with the rcat for redirects to lists after renaming. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 11:42, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * They already should as the R from fictional character template is not a catch-all redirect template, it's meant only for character redirects. As an aside, the only R to lists redirect template is R to list entry which is not a general "to lists" redirect category either and is different form R to anchor and R to section. --Gonnym (talk) 11:54, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I remember myself untagging R to list entry due to “overcategorisation”. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:39, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Support but I'd like to point out that Category:All fictional location redirects is currently a subcategory of Category:Fictional location redirects, and I believe the categories in this CfD will have the opposite relationship when they are renamed. I don't know if "All" should be the parent or subcategory, but the relationship should be made consistent for both locations and characters. Thanks!— TAnthonyTalk 16:28, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  17:47, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Former coal gas-fired power stations in the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: double upmerge & delete Timrollpickering (talk) 17:47, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting former coal gas-fired power stations in the united states


 * Nominator's rationale: not enough entries Chidgk1 (talk) 11:30, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Parent Category Tagged: Category:Coal gas-fired power stations by country is also tagged as part of this nomination. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:24, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Alternative Proposal:
 * Delete Category:Coal gas-fired power stations by country (Contains only the US subcat below)
 * Double Upmerge Category:Coal gas-fired power stations in the United States to Category:Coal gas-fired power stations and Category:Coal-fired power stations in the United States
 * Double Upmerge Category:Former coal gas-fired power stations in the United States to Category:Former coal gas-fired power stations and Category:Former coal-fired power stations in the United States
 * Completely agree with the nom's WP:SMALLCAT rationale but lets move thee handful of articles up to more populated parent categories. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:24, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Would like to see a little more discussion regarding the alternative proposal, considering how different it is from the nom proposal.
 * Double upmerge both per . Beagel (talk) 14:46, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  17:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Double upmerge both per . Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Upcoming video games not yet scheduled

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Upcoming video games.  bibliomaniac  1  5  17:48, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Upcoming video games not yet scheduled to Category:Upcoming video games
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category, we already using the Upcoming video games category for the same purpose. TheDeviantPro (talk) 16:40, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep (creator) This is a sibling category to (currently) Category:Upcoming video games scheduled for 2020 and Category:Upcoming video games scheduled for 2021, except that, of course, these games do not have release dates attached.  Proper populating will allow Category:Upcoming video games to be a diffused category. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:47, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This category has no different purpose to Category:Upcoming video games, which also includes games with no scheduled release dates. Category:Upcoming video games not yet scheduled is not a subcategory of Category:Upcoming video games, it's the same category with different wording with no difference in purpose; making this a unnecessary diffusing. The fact it's using the same tag from Upcoming video games category and had no improvements since creation with a handful of articles attached, makes this feel like a miscellaneous category. TheDeviantPro (talk) 04:28, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, this is a case of WP:OCMISC. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:36, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Question: Are you using this administrative category to know which articles still need to be updated with the year? (If so, with WikiProject buy in, this should be a renamed category for talk pages under Category:WikiProject Video games articles.) RevelationDirect (talk) 07:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's the purpose; I've opened a discussion at WT:WikiProject Video games. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:35, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It is not helpful to start a parallel discussion elsewhere. Please ask involved editors to comment here at CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Request to closer please hold of on closing this discussion until the aforementioned Project talkpage discussion concludes. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:04, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 18:51, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support merging. OceanHok (talk) 10:02, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * MERGE ALL Why sort them by year they are suppose to come out? What happens when they don't get released on that year, but are delayed, as often happens? Category:Upcoming video games is the only one we need.   D r e a m Focus  15:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Ethnic mass media

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  17:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ethnic mass media to Category:Ethnic media
 * Nominator's rationale: This was renamed per a CfD; however, the main article is titled Ethnic media 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 11:33, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - per Mass media, . One cannot necessarily have all article and category names in complete harmony. Oculi (talk) 12:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - per . TSventon (talk) 13:13, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Officials associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 16:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting officials associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic


 * Nominator's rationale: Currently, all national leaders and almost all officials of national medical institutions such as the Ministry of Health, are related to the coronavirus pandemic. See Categories for discussion/Log/2020 March 20. Kanghuitari (talk) 11:33, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - Yes, I read the deletion logs for "People". That is why the old category "People" was changed to "Officials": because I agree that "People" was too broad. "Officials" nicely circumscribes the list. Magnovvig (talk) 15:42, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "Officials" is broad too. Almost medical "officials" are associated with the pandemic now. All national leaders are one of the types of "officials", and they are also coronavirus related figures. -- Kanghuitari (talk) 16:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. All officials are not newsworthy, and most officials fail to pass the WP:BLP test. Magnovvig (talk) 10:17, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-defining e.g. for Li Keqiang and because "associated with" categories are bad categorization (e.g. inherently subjective) - people should be categorized as a virologist, epidemiologist or whatever. DexDor(talk) 17:34, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Might you change your vote to Keep if we started a new category of Category:Scientists associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic? Scientists groups virologist and epidemiologist. Magnovvig (talk) 10:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That wouldn't be quite as bad, but it's still "associated with" and over time would probably drift into containing scientists killed by the virus, pschologists investigating mental health during lockdown, physicists making comments etc. If a person has done significant research into Covid-19 then that should be mentioned in the text of the relevant articles; categories are a bit different. DexDor(talk) 19:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Why don't we let Officials and Scientists co-exist for one month, then revisit this issue. If it transpires as you say, I'll be the first to support you. Magnovvig (talk) 13:36, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete The category definition is misleading, as is the name. For example, Neil Fergusson is not an official, he's a scientist. Perhaps two categories are needed - one for officials and the other for scientists. Arcturus (talk) 17:36, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I had questions as well as you surrounding Ferguson's inclusion on this list. Might you change your vote to Keep if we started a new category of Category:Scientists associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic? Magnovvig (talk) 10:22, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Almost of the reasoning from Categories for discussion/Log/2020 March 20 (presumably the parent category) applies here. It is simply too vague when you consider what "associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic" might mean. Almost every official is going to be a candidate to be included. Presumably a football referee who tests positive would be eligible for inclusion as well. When you also consider the ambiguity around "Official" (is Neil Ferguson an official?), the category is shown to be too ill-defined to be useful. --RexxS (talk) 19:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Nonsense re football referee. In what way would s/he be WP:BLP noteworthy? Besides, oddballs like that would be trimmed by the occasional wiki administrator.
 * I had questions as well as you surrounding Ferguson's inclusion on this list. Might you change your vote to Keep if we started a new category of Category:Scientists associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic? Magnovvig (talk) 10:26, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Observe MOS:INDENTMIX please. The only nonsense is your mistaken suggestion that we don't have notable match officials. Take a look at Category:Association football referees and drill down for hundreds of notable football referees. Because "Official" is such an ill-defined concept, editors will feel quite entitled to add any of those who happen to have a passing connection with COVID-19, and it's not the job of 'occasional admins' to go around trimming them. The onus falls on the category creator to define categories unambiguously.
 * As [:Category:Scientists associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic] would seem to include anyone with a science degree who died from COVID-19, I seriously doubt that it would fare any better than this one. --RexxS (talk) 12:16, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * --> Because "Official" is such an ill-defined concept, editors will feel quite entitled to add any of those who happen to have a passing connection with COVID-19 <--
 * I suppose I have more faith than you in the collective of wiki editors. WP:BLP plus 'notability for being an official who had an impact on the coronavirus pandemic' rather than just 'was a victim', would seem to be the operative screen for match officials who happen to have contracted COVID-19. Maybe we can put the screen in the "Category:Officials associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic" notice so that instead of reading "Governmental officials and non-governmental officials and academics associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic."


 * it might read
 * "Governmental officials and non-governmental officials and academics associated with, but who were not simply victims of, the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic."


 * What do you think about that? My this discussion forum and cquote do not interact very well at all. Magnovvig (talk) 16:12, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for trying hard to accommodate INDENTMIX - sadly cquote doesn't play nicely in threaded discussion. I hope you don't mind that I've amended it to use quote which does behave.
 * I admit to having a jaundiced view of the foibles of wiki-editors. My considerable experience is that if there a way to screw something up, an editor will find it. A lot of keen category editors use HotCat and when I add a new category and type "officials", HotCat immediately offers me Category:Officials associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Categories are not like list articles where the inclusion criteria are visible at the top of the article when someone tries to add a member, and if the intended membership is not crystal clear in the title of the category, editors will add members to the category that they think are appropriate. No amount of precision on the unseen category page will discourage that, sorry. --RexxS (talk) 20:21, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your care of my commentary. Still, I disagree with you. If the topic has a Category:Organizations associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic, I don't see why it should have no "People", sorry Officials.
 * When you look at the numbers (39 pages of Officials listed in one week) one might think that the category fails to exhibit the exponential growth feared by some, and strikes the right balance. Magnovvig (talk) 13:23, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:OSE. DexDor(talk) 18:06, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete So basically any official active in 2020. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. All officials are not newsworthy, and most officials fail to pass the WP:BLP test. Magnovvig (talk) 10:28, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete -- It is a pandemic, so that almost every one in high office is working on it. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:30, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. All officials are not newsworthy, and most officials fail to pass the WP:BLP test. Magnovvig (talk) 10:30, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete categorization based on some undefined "association" is speculative and doesn't help navigate among articles. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:01, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, is that how you use the Category tool? I use it as an aide-memoire. Like as in: 'Hmm. Who was that bloke who is responsible for Swedish policy on covid?'. Given that we use the Category tool differently, would you reconsider your recommendation? Magnovvig (talk) 13:29, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * To find (in wp) the answer to a question like that you should be looking in article text (where it can be explained and referenced) - not in a category which at best will give you the name mixed with dozens/hundreds of other names and at worst won't include the current person in that role (e.g. if we don't have an article about them). DexDor(talk) 18:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Will ultimately be redundant with the list of world leaders in 2020. Place Clichy (talk) 12:50, 8 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Asturian-language websites

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. The Faroese category now has one member Kvinna, but that is appropriate for upmerging anyway. The others are empty. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Asturian-language websites to Category:Asturian-language mass media
 * Nominator's rationale: The former website DMOZ served 91 different languages and is therefore classified into 88 language website categories, which I believe is overcategorisation. This is to merge 20 language website categories, where DMOZ is the only member, into mass media categories. Next steps: Bangala, Faroese, Kashubian, North Frisian, Saterland Frisian, Turkmen, West Frisian mass media should also be upmerged to their language categories. I could then remove the 88 language website categories from DMOZ, leaving Category:Multilingual websites. Around 20 language website categories which only contain DMOZ and a local wikipedia can also be nominated for upmerger. TSventon (talk) 09:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Bangala-language websites to Category:Bangala-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Bashkir-language websites to Category:Bashkir-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Faroese-language websites to Category:Faroese-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Friulian-language websites to Category:Friulian-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Galician-language websites to Category:Galician-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Gujarati-language websites to Category:Gujarati-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Icelandic-language websites to Category:Icelandic-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Interlingua-language websites to Category:Interlingua-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Kashubian-language websites to Category:Kashubian-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Kyrgyz-language websites to Category:Kyrgyz-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Luxembourgish-language websites to Category:Luxembourgish-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:North Frisian-language websites to Category:North Frisian-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Sardinian-language websites to Category:Sardinian-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Saterland Frisian-language websites to Category:Saterland Frisian-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Scottish Gaelic websites to Category:Scottish Gaelic mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Sicilian-language websites to Category:Sicilian-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Sinhala-language websites to Category:Sinhala-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:Turkmen-language websites to Category:Turkmen-language mass media
 * Propose merging Category:West Frisian-language websites to Category:West Frisian-language mass media


 * Support - DMOZ is perhaps the best example of category clutter ever. (DMOZ should not be in any foo-language category: DMOZ was not an 'Asturian language' website, it was a multilingual website.) Oculi (talk) 09:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per Oculi. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Update I have nominated Bangala, Kashubian, North Frisian, Saterland Frisian, Turkmen, West Frisian (and Volapük) mass media for upmerge to their language categories: see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_8. I have not nominated Faroese mass media for upmerge. TSventon (talk) 08:32, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hold nomination: Pending discussion of whether Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina websites should become a subcategory of Category:Bosnian-language websites at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_1 above. TSventon (talk) 13:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no need to hold this nomination, because with this proposal the content remains part of the trees by language. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:34, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Marcocapelle, Paul_012, I have left the original version after discussion at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_1. TSventon (talk) 17:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Foreign-language mass media in the United States by state
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 16:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in the United States by state to Category:Non-English-language mass media in the United States by state
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Alabama to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Alabama
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Arizona to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Arizona
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Arkansas to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Arkansas
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in California to Category:Non-English-language mass media in California
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Colorado to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Colorado
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Connecticut to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Connecticut
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Delaware to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Delaware
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Florida to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Florida
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Georgia (U.S. state)
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Hawaii to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Hawaii
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Illinois to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Illinois
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Indiana to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Indiana
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Iowa to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Iowa
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Kansas to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Kansas
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Kentucky to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Kentucky
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Louisiana to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Louisiana
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Maine to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Maine
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Maryland to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Maryland
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Massachusetts to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Massachusetts
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Michigan to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Michigan
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Minnesota to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Minnesota
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Mississippi to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Mississippi
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Missouri to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Missouri
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Nebraska to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Nebraska
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Nevada to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Nevada
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in New Jersey to Category:Non-English-language mass media in New Jersey
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in New Mexico to Category:Non-English-language mass media in New Mexico
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in New York (state) to Category:Non-English-language mass media in New York (state)
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in North Carolina to Category:Non-English-language mass media in North Carolina
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in North Dakota to Category:Non-English-language mass media in North Dakota
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Ohio to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Ohio
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Oklahoma to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Oklahoma
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Oregon to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Oregon
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Pennsylvania to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Pennsylvania
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Rhode Island to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Rhode Island
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in South Carolina to Category:Non-English-language mass media in South Carolina
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in South Dakota to Category:Non-English-language mass media in South Dakota
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Tennessee to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Tennessee
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Texas to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Texas
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Utah to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Utah
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Virginia to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Virginia
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Washington (state) to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Washington (state)
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Washington, D.C. to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Washington, D.C.
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language mass media in Wisconsin to Category:Non-English-language mass media in Wisconsin
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Alabama to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Alabama
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Arizona to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Arizona
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Arkansas to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Arkansas
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in California to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in California
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Colorado to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Colorado
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Connecticut to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Connecticut
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Delaware to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Delaware
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Florida to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Florida
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Georgia (U.S. state)
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Hawaii to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Hawaii
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Illinois to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Illinois
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Indiana to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Indiana
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Kansas to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Kansas
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Kentucky to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Kentucky
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Louisiana to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Louisiana
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Maryland to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Maryland
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Massachusetts to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Massachusetts
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Minnesota to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Minnesota
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Mississippi to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Mississippi
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Missouri to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Missouri
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in New Jersey to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in New Jersey
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in New Mexico to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in New Mexico
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in New York (state) to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in New York (state)
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in North Carolina to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in North Carolina
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Ohio to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Ohio
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Oklahoma to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Oklahoma
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Oregon to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Oregon
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Pennsylvania to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Pennsylvania
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Rhode Island to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Rhode Island
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in South Carolina to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in South Carolina
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Tennessee to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Tennessee
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Texas to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Texas
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Utah to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Utah
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Washington (state) to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Washington (state)
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in Wisconsin to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in Wisconsin
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language radio stations in the United States by state to Category:Non-English-language radio stations in the United States by state
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language television stations in California to Category:Non-English-language television stations in California
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language television stations in Florida to Category:Non-English-language television stations in Florida
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign-language television stations in Massachusetts to Category:Non-English-language television stations in Massachusetts


 * Nominator's rationale: Per 2015's CfD. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:26, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

agree with this change I appear to be the creator of many of these categories back in 2013 prior to the CfD of 2015. Hmains (talk) 14:13, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - moreover, these are all subcats of Category:Non-English-language mass media in the United States. Oculi (talk) 10:36, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy Support: This would be inline with this CfD which closed on April 27. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #FF7518;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 08:26 on May 2, 2020 (UTC) •  #StayAtHome
 * *in line How would it? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:03, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, maybe not all (though I think you could), but the Category:Foreign-language mass media in <STATE> to Category:Non-English-language mass media in <STATE> would be covered as that was essentially what the entire CfD was about. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #FF7518;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 11:14 on May 2, 2020 (UTC) •  #StayAtHome
 * However, that CfD was about the categories that had “media” instead of “mass media”. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 14:54, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Like I said, that CfD will cover the changes. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #FF7518;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 15:05 on May 2, 2020 (UTC) •  #StayAtHome
 * Comment/Question what is to be covered; non-English media available in each state or media organizations based/headquartered in each state? It seems to be both and that makes these a mess. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:03, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Volapük mass media
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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn.  You can add the category to your nomination now. (non-admin closure) 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:28, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Volapük mass media to Category:Volapük-language mass media
 * Nominator's rationale: Per other subcategories of . 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:22, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't object to renaming the category, but as the only article it contains is Volapük Wikipedia I think it is a candidate for upmerging to Category:Volapük. TSventon (talk) 10:09, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support upmerge and the two subcategories should be nominated for upmerge as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I have nominated upmerge of the two subcategories in the Category:Afrikaans-language websites section above. are you happy to support an upmerge rather than renaming? TSventon (talk) 23:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Pravasi Bharatiya Community Service Award
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 16:13, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Pravasi Bharatiya Community Service Award
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:V and WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
 * The main article, Pravasi Bharatiya Community Service Award, was deleted here in AFD back in 2013 because of lack of sourcing and concern that it was a fraudulent award designed to sound similar to the Pravasi Bharatiya Samman award. This is one of the exceptions to WP:OCAWARD, where listification is not warranted. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:05, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * *RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:17, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of Pravasi Bharatiya Samman from Bahrain
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 16:13, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Upmerging Category:Recipients of Pravasi Bharatiya Samman from Bahrain to Category:Recipients of Pravasi Bharatiya Samman
 * Propose Upmerging Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations from UAE to Category:Recipients of Pravasi Bharatiya Samman
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCLOCATION)
 * The Pravasi Bharatiya Samman award is given by the Indian government for prominent expats living in other countries around the world. Both of these categories are by the same author and aim to break up the Indian expats by what country they moved to. We certainly could do that but we already have the Category:Indian diaspora by country tree serving that function. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:05, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Support, per nom, and also because with only about 50 articles across the globe this recipients category is simply too small to diffuse by country. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


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