Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 May 24



Open-source video games by genre

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  22:05, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging to parent categories open-source educational video games
 * open-source strategy video games
 * open-source shooter video games
 * open-source role-playing video games
 * open-source roguelikes
 * open-source racing video games
 * open-source puzzle video games
 * open-source platform games
 * Nominator's rationale: These categories are non-defining intersections of their various genres and Category:Open-source video games. Each should be upmerged as appropriate. Izno (talk) 21:52, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose for now. @Izno, please revise the nomination to set out exactly what merges are proposed for each of the  nominated categories.  The nomination as it stands is too vague to be considered. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:40, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I would have thought "merge to their respective genre parents" would be sufficient. I have little interest in enumerating each genre category, and naturally each article should end up in Category:open-source video games as well. Is that what you wanted clarified? --Izno (talk) 11:25, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I guess there are some articles like 0 A.D. (video game) which are in another child category of Category:Strategy video games that I don't think anyone would like to see in that category as that would be an unnecessary parent. I'm not sure if there's anything practical to be done about that.... From what I recall seeing, I am somewhat doubtful all of the articles in this batch are like that. --Izno (talk) 14:03, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * (Which I suppose is another reason to eliminate this set of categories. --Izno (talk) 14:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC))
 * Oppose for open-source roguelikes. Open source is a defining characteristic for this class of games and open source is how the genre got started. Open source status yields two completely different modding communities for closed and open source. Open source status was central to the development and evolution of many of theses game; witness the Moria/Angband family of games. I guess you are not a modder? -- 18:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * We don't judge the utility of a category by whether a certain non-mainstream community treats the topic but by how reliable sources do. (Whether I am a modder is irrelevant, to boot.) Even in the case that open-source is important to that genre, we still end up in a WP:SMALLCAT situation and the "odd-man out" kind of category, which will just lead us to having this set of parallel categories again. These games will retain their categories as "open-source" and as "roguelikes" at the end of the day if these are merged, so it is a trivial intersection using one or another of the tools for such (WP:Petscan, Special:Search) to identify. For some context about your claim, List of roguelikes does not include open/closed status. --Izno (talk) 02:35, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the modder comment--I think expertise is invaluable in judging categories, but should not have singled you out. Nonetheless, (1) the "royal we", (2) disparaging a gaming community, (3) claiming reliable sources without naming them, (4) no this is not a small cat situation as having few subcats under a cat is just fine, (5) "odd-man out"??, (6) worrying about a maintenance hassle, (7) substituting search engines for a gap in our categories, and (8) claiming an incomplete list as some kind of evidence--all of these are weak, non-policy based arguments for deletion that do not add up to a strong argument for deletion. I will retain my oppose for this category of games. -- 05:04, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The list of roguelike table can be fixed to include that status, but again, the main roguelike page had plenty of details of why open-source was key to the genre and why there are so many variants. --M asem (t) 00:14, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - as Izno states, the cross section itself is not a defining trait in each scenario. Sergecross73   msg me  02:44, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support all per nom. Superfluous cross-section that could be well handled with two separate categories. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 05:16, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support All, per nom. Not a defining trait. -- ferret (talk) 13:36, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support expect for Category:Open-source roguelikes which should be kept, as I do have to agree with Mark Viking - this is actually a well-defined cross-categorized given the history of roguelikes. None of the other listed cats have any similar type of vector. Another way to put this, if we are tracking the history of video games, roguelikes and their origins from open-source projects are key, where as taking a cat like "Open-source shooter games", there's no historical factor there, simply that as shooter games gained popularity, that people made open-source variants. That's where there's weak cross-categorization. --M asem (t) 00:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support all per nom. Even Category:Open-source roguelikes, which doesn't have that many games to really qualify (as of today anyway). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Open-source 3D video games

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  22:05, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Open-source 3D video games to Category:Open-source video games
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is a trivial intersection of Category:Open-source video games and long-time deleted Category:3D video games. Upmerge to the parent and delete. Izno (talk) 21:38, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Sergecross73   msg me  02:42, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. -- ferret (talk) 13:35, 27 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Macedonian Front

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Macedonian Front to Category:Macedonian front
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D: Consistency with main article's name (Macedonian front) M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  21:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per nom, this could have been listed at WP:CFDS instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy Per WP:C2A and WP:C2D. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:38, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Sequel films by decade

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 09:29, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting sequel films by decade


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 * Nominator's rationale: Similar to this related discussion for video game sequel by year categories, prequel/sequel films by year is an odd and unnecessary cross-categorization with a limited scope makes for a tree of mostly WP:SMALLCAT failures. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 21:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 07:24, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose The categories are not small, and the category tree does not violate any policy. Dimadick (talk) 10:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Kbdank71 18:51, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. Non-defining cross-categorization, populated almost entirely by a single editor without discussion and refusal to discussion. -- ferret (talk) 13:37, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The year categories are recent but not sure what you mean by "refusal to discussion"; there is no mention of "sequel" on their talk page. The decade categories were created a few years ago by other editors. Peter James (talk) 13:52, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete all as per above. TheDeviantPro (talk) 13:45, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now; needs more discussion. The decade categories have existed for a few years; the year categories were created recently. They are sometimes more defining than the nationality of the companies that made the films. If there are too few articles for each category (there are smaller categories for companies by year, location or industry, and articles related to cities - is there a WikiProject guideline somewhere?), could the year categories be merged to the decade categories? Also instead of deletion would they be better merged so all articles are in Category:Sequel films? If 1500 articles is too many and articles are moved to subcategories, it should also be by year. Peter James (talk) 13:52, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Video game franchises by year of disestablishment

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:31, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting video game franchises by year of disestablishment


 * Nominator's rationale: Serves zero purpose. Limited scope and not something I see being useful for finding anything. Namcokid  47  (Contribs) 20:28, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:37, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. A video game franchise (or any media franchise for that matter) is not disestablished, discontinued or cancelled or whatever just because there haven't been any recent new releases. It's WP:OR / WP:SYNTH and reverse WP:CRYSTAL. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:37, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nom and argument brought up by Soetermans. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 20:46, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete The number of video game series that are known to be dead and never to have another game ever can be probably counted on one hand, if that many. This is rarely actually established; a series may go into an indefinite hiatus, but never disestablished. --M asem (t) 20:55, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom and Soetermans. -- ferret (talk) 21:15, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete there's no such thing. Axem Titanium (talk) 23:47, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Soetermans. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete As per above. TheDeviantPro (talk) 13:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Soetermans. OceanHok (talk) 16:27, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Cathedrals in West Bengal

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 09:29, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cathedrals in west bengal


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only two articles in this category. There is no need to merge to the parent categories, because the articles are already in a denominational subcategory of Category:Cathedrals in India and they are also in Category:Churches in Kolkata. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:38, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Chosun Broadcasting Company television programmes

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:29, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Chosun Broadcasting Company television programmes to Category:TV Chosun television programmes
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D, the article on the network is TV Chosun. St3095   (?)  15:20, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Category:Chosun Broadcasting Company television programmes to Category:TV Chosun television programmes
 * Category:Chosun Broadcasting Company television dramas to Category:TV Chosun television dramas


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Sequel video games by decade
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete all Timrollpickering (talk) 09:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting sequel video games by decade


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 * Nominator's rationale: Per this discussion at WT:VG.An unnecessary and non-defining cross-categoriation with a limited scope. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 14:53, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Even if the categories were originally populated without regard to WP:SUBCAT, other editors may apply WP:SUBCAT and remove the pages from e.g. "2000 video games". -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all - There is no special recognition of sequels by years in the reliable sources; this is unnecessary cross-categorization. --M asem (t) 15:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all Per nom and Masem. This is not a defining characteristic. Note also that a similar category set was also created for films... -- ferret (talk) 15:22, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all - Honestly, what purpose are these categories supposed to have? Sources certainly don't acknowledge anything like this, and I don't ever see this being of use to anybody. Namcokid  47  (Contribs) 16:05, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all, not a defining characteristic. Axem Titanium (talk) 16:46, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all per above. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 18:20, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Why not merge?, from the discussion I do not understand why e.g. Category:2000 sequel video games should not be merged to Category:2000 video games. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * What use would merging it do if the category shouldn't be used in the first place? ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 19:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * But why shouldn't the articles be moved to, in the example, Category:2000 sequel video games? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * All of these articles are already in their normal category, i.e. "2000 video games". The new categories were added by a single user without removing any parent categories (if 2000 video games was even set as a parent). -- ferret (talk) 13:34, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @ferret, the action should still be to merge. The bot will handle the merger to avoid any duplicate category entries.
 * Oppose deletion, but support merge to the relevant year category, per my reply above to ferret. Merge ensures that all the article will end up in the relevant year category. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs)
 * I still don't see the use of merging if the category should not be used at all in the first place. All of the articles are already in their correct categories, thus no further work is required. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 22:40, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all - As per above. TheDeviantPro (talk) 13:33, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fairly useless categories. OceanHok (talk) 16:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fontaines D.C. songs
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 09:32, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fontaines d.c. songs


 * Nominator's rationale: Contains 5 redirects and no articles No help for readers. Richhoncho (talk) 14:02, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:56, 25 May 2020 (UTC)


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TV networks
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename all Timrollpickering (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Albanian television networks to Category:Television networks in Albania and all such 'Fooian' TV network categories.
 * Nominator's rationale: Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_6 renamed Category:Austrian newspapers to Category:Newspapers published in Austria (see its exemplary rationale). Moreover these are all subcats of eg Category:Mass media in Austria, which was likewise renamed to use 'in' via Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_February_10. A similar rename for magazines was endorsed via Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_15.  Further, Fooian television was renamed to 'Television in foo' in 2008: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_December_10. Oculi (talk) 11:06, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Category:Albanian television networks to Category:Television networks in Albania per Category:Television in Albania
 * Category:American cable network groups to Category:Cable network groups in the United States
 * Category:American shopping networks to Category:Shopping networks in the United States
 * Category:American television networks to Category:Television networks in the United States per Category:Television in the United States
 * Category:Argentine television networks to Category:Television networks in Argentina per Category:Television in Argentina
 * Category:Armenian television networks to Category:Television networks in Armenia per Category:Television in Armenia
 * Category:Australian television networks to Category:Television networks in Australia per Category:Television in Australia
 * Category:Azerbaijani television networks to Category:Television networks in Azerbaijan per Category:Television in Azerbaijan
 * Category:Belgian television networks to Category:Television networks in Belgium per Category:Television in Belgium
 * Category:Brazilian television networks to Category:Television networks in Brazil per Category:Television in Brazil
 * Category:British television networks to Category:Television networks in the United Kingdom per Category:Television in the United Kingdom
 * Category:Brunei television networks to Category:Television networks in Brunei per Category:Television in Brunei
 * Category:Bulgarian television networks to Category:Television networks in Bulgaria per Category:Television in Bulgaria
 * Category:Canadian analog cable television networks to Category:Analog cable television networks in Canada
 * Category:Canadian broadcast television networks to Category:Broadcast television networks in Canada
 * Category:Canadian digital cable television networks to Category:Digital cable television networks in Canada
 * Category:Canadian television networks to Category:Television networks in Canada per Category:Television in Canada
 * Category:Chilean television networks to Category:Television networks in Chile per Category:Television in Chile
 * Category:Chinese television networks to Category:Television networks in China per Category:Television in China
 * Category:Colombian television networks to Category:Television networks in Colombia per Category:Television in Colombia
 * Category:Croatian television networks to Category:Television networks in Croatia per Category:Television in Croatia
 * Category:Defunct Albanian television networks to Category:Defunct television networks in Albania
 * Category:Defunct American television networks to Category:Defunct television networks in the United States
 * Category:Defunct Philippine television networks to Category:Defunct television networks in Defunct Philippine
 * Category:Defunct Venezuelan television channels and networks to Category:Defunct television channels and networks in Venezuela
 * Category:French television networks to Category:Television networks in France per Category:Television in France
 * Category:German television networks to Category:Television networks in Germany per Category:Television in Germany
 * Category:Greek television networks to Category:Television networks in Greece per Category:Television in Greece
 * Category:Hungarian television networks to Category:Television networks in Hungary per Category:Television in Hungary
 * Category:Indian television networks to Category:Television networks in India per Category:Television in India
 * Category:Iraqi television networks to Category:Television networks in Iraq per Category:Television in Iraq
 * Category:Irish television networks to Category:Television networks in Ireland per Category:Television in Ireland
 * Category:Italian television networks to Category:Television networks in Italy per Category:Television in Italy
 * Category:Japanese television networks to Category:Television networks in Japan per Category:Television in Japan
 * Category:Lebanese television networks to Category:Television networks in Lebanon per Category:Television in Lebanon
 * Category:Libyan television networks to Category:Television networks in Libya per Category:Television in Libya
 * Category:Luxembourg television networks to Category:Television networks in Luxembourg per Category:Television in Luxembourg
 * Category:Mexican television networks to Category:Television networks in Mexico per Category:Television in Mexico
 * Category:Moldovan broadcast television networks to Category:Broadcast television networks in Moldova
 * Category:Moldovan television networks to Category:Television networks in Moldova per Category:Television in Moldova
 * Category:Nauruan television networks to Category:Television networks in Nauru per Category:Television in Nauru
 * Category:New Zealand television networks to Category:Television networks in New Zealand per Category:Television in New Zealand
 * Category:Norwegian television networks to Category:Television networks in Norway per Category:Television in Norway
 * Category:Pakistani television networks to Category:Television networks in Pakistan per Category:Television in Pakistan
 * Category:Peruvian television networks to Category:Television networks in Peru per Category:Television in Peru
 * Category:Philippine television networks to Category:Television networks in the Philippines per Category:Television in the Philippines
 * Category:Polish television networks to Category:Television networks in Poland per Category:Television in Poland
 * Category:Portuguese television networks to Category:Television networks in Portugal per Category:Television in Portugal
 * Category:Qatari television networks to Category:Television networks in Qatar per Category:Television in Qatar
 * Category:Quebec television networks to Category:Television networks in Quebec
 * Category:Romanian television networks to Category:Television networks in Romania per Category:Television in Romania
 * Category:Russian television networks to Category:Television networks in Russia per Category:Television in Russia
 * Category:South Korean television networks to Category:Television networks in South Korea per Category:Television in South Korea
 * Category:Spanish television networks to Category:Television networks in Spain per Category:Television in Spain
 * Category:Swedish television networks to Category:Television networks in Sweden per Category:Television in Sweden
 * Category:Swiss television networks to Category:Television networks in Switzerland per Category:Television in Switzerland
 * Category:Taiwanese television networks to Category:Television networks in Taiwan per Category:Television in Taiwan
 * Category:Turkish television networks to Category:Television networks in Turkey per Category:Television in Turkey
 * Category:Ukrainian television networks to Category:Television networks in Ukraine per Category:Television in Ukraine
 * Category:Uruguayan television networks to Category:Television networks in Uruguay per Category:Television in Uruguay
 * Category:Venezuelan television networks to Category:Television networks in Venezuela per Category:Television in Venezuela
 * Category:Vietnamese television networks to Category:Television networks in Vietnam per Category:Television in Vietnam
 * Category:Canadian television networks by genre to Category:Television networks in Canada by genre
 * Category:Moldovan television networks by genre to Category:Television networks in Moldova by genre

Discussion for TV networks

 * Support as nom. Oculi (talk) 11:06, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, less ambiguous (e.g. German television networks might wrongly be taken as German-language tv networks). Marcocapelle (talk) 15:28, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Down with the tyranny of demonyms. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support to clarify scope. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose It creates ambiguities for some countries. For example, with the Category:Mexican television networks, only the networks of Mexican origin are included, but with the new name Category:Television networks in Mexico, American networks that are, not only broadcasting within the range of Mexican territories, but also broadcasting from Mexican-licensed stations, will have to be included also. For the American counterpart, both Mexican and Canadian networks will have to be included. Instead of the use of 'in', 'of' should be used.--MexTDT (talk) 22:05, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I am neutral between "in" and "of". Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


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Associations
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 * The result of the discussion was: disperse/merge Timrollpickering (talk) 12:45, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose dispersing Category:Associations:
 * move Category:Professional associations to Category:Non-profit organizations by type
 * move other subcategories to Category:Non-profit organizations by subject
 * disperse the handful of articles between Category:Non-profit organizations and Category:Non-profit organizations by subject
 * Propose merging Category:Associations by continent to Category:Non-profit organizations by continent
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Africa to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Asia to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Europe to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in North America to Category:Non-profit organizations based in North America
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Oceania to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Oceania
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in South America to Category:Non-profit organizations based in South America
 * Propose merging Category:Associations by country to Category:Non-profit organizations by country
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Argentina to Category:Non-profit organisations based in Argentina
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Belgium to Category:Non-profit organisations based in Belgium
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Brazil to Category:Non-profit organisations based in Brazil
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Chile to Category:Non-profit organisations based in Chile
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in China to Category:Non-profit organizations based in China
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Czech Republic to Category:Non-profit organizations based in the Czech Republic
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in France to Category:Non-profit organizations based in France
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Germany to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Germany
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Ghana to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Ghana
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Greece to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Greece
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in India to Category:Non-profit organizations based in India
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Ireland to Category:Non-profit organisations based in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Japan to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Japan
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Malaysia to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Malaysia
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Mexico to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Mexico
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in the Netherlands to Category:Non-profit organisations based in the Netherlands
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Nigeria to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Nigeria
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Peru to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Peru
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Portugal to Category:Non-profit organisations based in Portugal
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Russia to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Russia
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Slovenia to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Slovenia
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Spain to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Spain
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Sri Lanka to Category:Non-profit organisations based in Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Sweden to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Sweden
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Switzerland to Category:Non-profit organisations based in Switzerland
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Taiwan to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Taiwan
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Turkey to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Turkey
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Ukraine to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in United Kingdom to Category:Non-profit organisations based in the United Kingdom‎
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in the United States to Category:Non-profit organizations based in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Associations based in Uruguay to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Uruguay
 * Nominator's rationale: in the the previous discussion, there was sort of consensus that Category:Associations is merely a matter of WP:SHAREDNAME, but nothing happened yet because there is a whole set of subcategories that needs to be addressed simultaneously. So here is the full proposal, basically to merge everything to Non-profit organizations.
 * pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Support Clicking through these, most have "Category:Professional associations based in X" and a few loose articles, all of which can be described as non-profit. (UK's is a little different, but still non-profit.) There is likely some further diffusion of many of these loose articles but this nom gets rid of a duplicate and vague category tree based on WP:SHAREDNAME. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes please. Thank you for this.  I suspect there will be a bit more sweeping up to do.  Are we sure that none of these professional associations make profits?  Rathfelder (talk) 10:49, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Oculi (talk) 11:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- The whole concept of "non-profit" is a US tax category, whose use is inappropriate elsewhere. I agree the present category is unhelpful and should go, but I object to the use of an American tax category.  In checking content, I found the majority had nothing in them but a professional associations subcat, which should be parented by a new Category:Professional Associations by continent.  Spain has an association of municipalities, which will be an emanation of local government; UK has a mishmash with little coherence and could have a lot more content; the Russian case fits the nom but it sounds political.  I think the best solution is recategorize contents then delete when empty.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:47, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am glad that you agree with the removal of these categories. As for the term non-profit, it is certainly not exclusively American, see for example this Dutch-language website for job vacancies in government and non-profit organizations. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Like Peterkingiron I dont much like non-profit as a basis for categories.  I recall discussions about Non-government organizations, which we decided should go because it was so difficult to define as a negative.  I'd be perfectly happy with the professional associations, which is the main content, sitting directly in the categories of organizations based in Foo. Rathfelder (talk) 22:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair enough if you intend to propose upmerging of non-profit organizations in a later stage. But while they still exist they are the right merge target for this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I also favor some additional work here but this nom is in the right direction. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think we will need a different approach in countries where Non-profit organization is a verifiable legal status from those where it is just a negative description. Rathfelder (talk) 09:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * After some hesitation I think I will agree with a future merge nomination of non-profit organizations. After all, it contains almost all sorts of organizations but companies. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Nation's Little Sisters
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Nation's Little Sisters
 * Propose Deleting Category:Nation's Little Brothers
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining characteristic. Per the article, these are informal titles that refer to "a young female [or male] celebrity in her [or his] late teens to early twenties... [who is] cute, bright, and innocent." <b style="color:#4169E1;">Ə</b> XPLICIT 02:57, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, per WP:NONDEFINING and WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. This is horribly vague, and informal slangy labels like that make subjective categories with unclear inclusion criteria. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 12:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:AAA Hall of Fame
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:AAA Hall of Fame
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD and WP:OCASSOC)
 * The AAA Hall of Fame was founded in 2007 and recognizes professional wrestlers in Mexico, where there is a distinct style. The biography articles in this category generally mention the award in passing, often with other awards, so it doesn't seem defining. The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * *RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD


 * Delete. A list's fine but a category's certainly not needed. Had me puzzled for a while becuse I couldn't work out what Mexican wrestling had to do with the AAA. Grutness... wha?   04:24, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought of American Automobile Association. To save time for other editors, the wrestling organization is at Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 07:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, per WP:NONDEFINING and WP:OCAWARD. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 12:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete OCAWARD. I though AAA stood for Amateur Athletic Association!  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per reasons above. Mohanabhil (talk) 12:41, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:German Ice Hockey Hall of Fame inductees
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:German Ice Hockey Hall of Fame inductees
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD and WP:OCASSOC)
 * The German Ice Hockey Hall of Fame was founded in 1988 and mentions to in on the web are mostly Wikipedia and mirror sites. The biography articles in this category generally are split between not mentioning the the award at all or mentioning it in passing with other halls of fame so it doesn't seem defining. (A few do mention it in intro but that appears to be due to one enthusiastic editor.) The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * *RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 07:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, per WP:NONDEFINING and WP:OCAWARD. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 12:10, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete another NN OCAWARD case. Could someone do a mass nom?  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:52, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Years ago I tried that and it became a trainwreck. Perhaps something in between might work, like five to ten categories simultaneously with a related scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll look at where I can do some small groups. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)


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