Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 15



Category:Arab League stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; I have not deleted the template but have changed its categorization application to Category:Middle East stubs. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting arab league stubs/Arab League-stub


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary, created out of process, and the template is incorrectly formed. Her Pegship (?) 23:44, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. If consensus is to keep, then rename the template to a more appropriate form. Grutness... wha?   02:26, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Just N. (talk) 23:01, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as a typical supra-national organization stub category such as Category:European_Union_stubs. Concerns on process and form can be addressed by correction, not deletion. Note, i'm the creator of the category.GreyShark (dibra) 05:43, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm less concerned about process and form than I am about quantity and necessity. The fact that an organization exists does not in and of itself necessitate a stub type for it. holds over 400 articles; its parent cat holds 75 articles and 25 sub-categories, including sub-stub cats. Of the 71 articles in the permcat, only 10 are marked as stubs. (Not as Arab League stubs, though.) Even if there were an Arab League-related WikiProject,  would need to hold at least 30 articles to be considered appropriate, and at this time it holds only one article. Her Pegship (?) 19:18, 20 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, unlikely this is going to have 60 stub articles. Category:Middle East stubs will suffice for stub articles that aren't about a specific country. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:42, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Middle East stubs. The current 2 articles to not enough for a stub type, whose function is to identify incomplete articles.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Universities and colleges in Kosice

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:30, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Universities and colleges in Kosice to Category:Universities in Slovakia
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one. Rathfelder (talk) 21:08, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Support, in fact there are two others, e.g. Technical University of Košice but further growth potential is negligable. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Just N. (talk) 23:10, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional lynching victims

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional murdered people. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:36, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional lynching victims


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defing for most of these caracters. ★Trekker (talk) 17:37, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Fictional murdered people as "lynching" is a too specific term for these cases. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per Marcocapelle; although technically "lynching" in some states of the US doesn't require the demise of the victim - the crime is completed upon taking the victim from lawful custody with intent to punish him/her extrajudicially. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:15, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per Marcocapelle; --Just N. (talk) 23:15, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Raja CA players

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Raja CA players to Category:El Raja SC players
 * Nominator's rationale: The club's article on Wikipedia was moved from Raja CA to El Raja SC, and as a result this category should also be moved. Ben5218 (talk) 11:19, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Support to match parent article name, which reflects name used in English-language sources. GiantSnowman 20:13, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Just N. (talk) 23:22, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:5th-century establishments in France

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename, leave a redirect. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:16, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:5th-century establishments in France to Category:5th-century establishments in sub-Roman Gaul
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename and redirect. This is a follow-up to Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 1, where the parent was renamed from France to sub-Roman Gaul. For info, another discussion just renamed the preceding categories to Roman Gaul, and a discussion on the succeeding categories is gaining consensus for Francia. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:21, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per WP:C2C and per previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:38, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Create new one for Gaul, Keep existing one as well, as both serve different functions, different perspectives, and answer different questions. It is not an  exclusive or situation, there is no need to delete the France one to have the Gaul one. Fram (talk) 07:53, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support rename per previous discussions. We may keep France as redirect to address the navigation concerns by some users, but not the France category which is grossly anachronistic.GreyShark (dibra) 05:38, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * REname per past consensus. The consensus is also that we do not have anachronistic categories for later polities.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:55, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Norwegian spree killers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Norwegian mass murderers and Category:Spree killers. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting norwegian spree killers


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category. The sole entity in this category is already in the parent category Norwegian mass murderers. Spree killing is something that doesn't really happen in Norway, except for that one time, so a category for spree killers is pretty useless. Geschichte (talk) 08:08, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Dual merge also to Category:Spree killers. The nominator appears to accept that Breivik was a spree killer, and has not given a rationale to remove him from that hierarchy. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:27, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Dual merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:40, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Dual merge and comment - almost the entire tree of could well be treated the same way - most of them have fewer than five articles (only 6/28 cats have five or more, and ten have only one) Grutness...  wha?   02:31, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Dual merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Just N. (talk) 23:03, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Polymer failures

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; article was added to Category:Materials degradation. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting polymer failures


 * Nominator's rationale: Contains only a single article, National Centre for the Evaluation of Photoprotection, and no main article. That article might end up at AfD. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 05:35, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Dual merge, also to Category:materials degradation which IMHO seems relevant. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:31, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Three Stars

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:23, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Order of the Three Stars
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
 * When foreign leaders or diplomats visit Latvia, or vice versa, the Order of the Three Stars is given out as souvenir to commemorate the visit. President-elect Joe Biden, Premier Zhang Qun and King Willem-Alexander are not remotely defined by this award. (There are also three Latvian biographies in the category—1, 2, 3—but they just mention the award in passing so it doesn't seem defining to them either.) There is already a separate list article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:01, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Background In the past, we've deleted similar categories for visiting officials here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:01, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:World Peace Prize laureates

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:22, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:World Peace Prize laureates
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
 * The World Peace Prize is an American peace award that is well-intentioned but obscure. How obscure? The Mahatma Gandhi article discusses why he did not win the Nobel Peace Price but doesn't mention actually winning this award. When Vice President Annette Lu accepted the award, she had to formally deny the award was a hoax (source). The award is not remotely defining for Pablo Picasso, Ronald Reagan or Jane Goodall and the recipients are already listified here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk)


 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Basketball players from Shkodër
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:15, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Basketball players from Shkodër to Category:Sportspeople from Shkodër
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge back to the city. This fails WP:OCAT/WP:OCLOCATION, an over-diffusion of player by sport and city. SportingFlyer  T · C  00:31, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - part of an established tree of similar categories. Grutness... wha?   02:03, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep We usually want 5 entries to make a category viable.  This has 9. Rathfelder (talk) 17:00, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Is that number of five documented as policy somewhere? If so, it'd be helpful to link it. Rikster2 (talk) 20:08, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Five articles is the working number I and some other editors use in CFD as a rule of thumb for WP:SMALLCAT, a frustratingly vague editing guideline I favor rewriting. I don't rule out larger categories failing to be WP:DEFINING though due to WP:OCLOCATION or other reasons though.- RevelationDirect (talk) 02:00, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge - Per nom. This category has a very small number in it so there isn't much "diffusing" it is doing and there is nothing defining about being a basketball player from Shkodër. Is this intersection something that has ever been covered in WP:RS? Also worth noting that this "established tree" has had CfDs about it before and is the subject of current similar CfD that has not been resolved. Rikster2 (talk) 20:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * How do you evidence the notion that there is nothing defining about being a basketball player from Shkodër? Has there been research?  Or is this just your opinion?  What do the basketball players say?Rathfelder (talk) 23:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you should provide evidence that it is - in the form of WP:RS that discuss basketball players from that city as a group (showing the grouping is defining). It’s pretty hard to prove the absence of something. What I can tell you is that I looked for evidence it was defining before I weighed in at all. And that I know a lot about basketball. Rikster2 (talk) 23:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Like to make a non-subjective rule about when a sport is significant to a city? I doubt it's possible. Grutness... wha?   23:47, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The earlier cfd was before the tree was established. The current "similar" cfd relates to US cities, which seem to be treated differently for inexplicable and undocumented reasons - and the cfd appears clearly headed towards keep at present. There is an established tree of categories for basketball players by city elsewhere in the world, as there is for many other sports. And there is definitely something defining about where a player is born - it's their birthplace. Grutness... wha?   02:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Another way to put that is that the tree was established without looking for or considering existing consensus. The fact that no one ran across this small category and CfD'ed it doesn't erase existing consensus. And there was already a category for sportspeople from Shkodër in place when this was created - that effectively covered where they were from. Who says that the cross-section of being a basketball player specifically from Shkodër is at all defining? If you pull out the footballer subcategory "sportspeople" was only 20 articles anyway. It didn't need any sort of diffusing. Rikster2 (talk) 02:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yet another way of looking at is is that the tree was based on the existing consensus for other sports - there are hundreds of similar categories for . Also, it's not a "small category" - it has nine members, whereas five is the usual consensus figure for what is or is not a small category at CfD. And yes, if you pull out the footballer category there are only twenty - of which nearly half are basketball players. Surely this is indication that there is a basketball culture in Shköder and thus the category is appropriate. Grutness... wha?   03:41, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * We dont look for evidence to show that there is a scientific culture in Prague to justify Category:Scientists from Prague. Why do we need evidence about the existence of local basketball culture?  Rathfelder (talk) 22:52, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Because "scientists" is a general descriptor of a career and not an overcat. SportingFlyer  T · C  19:20, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I dont understand. What is an overcat? Rathfelder (talk) 22:13, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Although not currently implemented that way, I would argue that we only need categories for academic staff of Prague universities and otherwise people simply belong in people from Prague. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sportspeople = Scientists. Basketball players = Nuclear physicists. “Scientists” is a broad category with several specialties underneath it. Rikster2 (talk) 01:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)


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