Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 16



Category:Buildings and structures demolished in the 20th century in Spain
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Category:Defeated Incumbent Presidents of the United States
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Category:Miscellaneous media element redirects to lists

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional element redirects. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:09, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting miscellaneous media element redirects to lists


 * Nominator's rationale: I also propose moving all members of the category to Category:Fictional element redirects. While this is a maintenance and tracking category, I think WP:OCMISC applies here. Anything in this category should just be in the parent category. What makes this case unique compared to the other "miscellaneous redirects" categories I found (e.g. Category:Miscellaneous video game character redirects to lists) is that the parent category is not listed as a container category, so we won't know to worry too much about de-containerization. The subcategories should also be moved, seeing how franchise/work-based subcategories as such also appear in Category:Fiction redirects and Category:Fictional location redirects. -B RAINULATOR 9 (TALK) 21:55, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:Fictional element redirects. Since this is a hidden category, I'd be open to renaming it to something like Category:Media element redirects needing further categorization if editors came forward to claim a use for this category. In the absence of that, this is textbook WP:OCMISC. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Trees of Cape Town

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:43, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Cape Town to Category:Trees of South Africa
 * Nominator's rationale: That a particula species etc (e.g. Virgilia (plant)) is found in Cape Town is not a defining characteristic. DexDor(talk) 21:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Destroyed landmarks in Italy

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:42, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting destroyed landmarks in italy


 * Nominator's rationale: Per previous discussions, "landmark" is subjective and not objective - it is not clear what is eligible for inclusion in this category. All of these were buildings or structures and I have just made sure they have been cross-categorised in Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Italy, making this redundant to boot. SportingFlyer  T · C  18:02, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Support as long as (as you say) they are all in the equivalent buildings and structures cat. Grutness... wha?   03:52, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, the term "landmark" may locally have significance e.g. in places in Australia and the United States, but that certainly is not relevant for non-English speaking countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support landmark may or may not have a locally defined meaning, destroyed is often in the eye of the beholder. When one views the remains of ancient Rome, is "in ruins" or "partially destroyed" equivalent to "destroyed"? Reliable sources exist counting the Colosseum and Roman Forum among Rome's ruins (just google "ruins in Rome"). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:55, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Films scored by Bharathwaj
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Category:Christian church councils by holder

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. There seemed to be general agreement that further nominations may be in order. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:04, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Christian church councils by holder to Category:Christian church councils by acceptance
 * Nominator's rationale: Those two categories seem to have a complete conceptual overlap. I have no preference which is a better title to retain (holder seems more clear to an average reader, probably). We don't have 'by holder' or 'by acceptance' parent category trees to default to. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:17, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep but rename I agree that "holder" is quite awkward. What about "convener" or "convening body"? You do not have to have convene a council in order to accept it. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:40, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to parent category. There are only three subcategories, they fit easily in the parent. Also nominate the whole tree of Category:Christian church councils by acceptance as that causes too much category clutter in a number of councils. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge but the tree should be cleaned as many early councils are in too many categories and should be left in the first seven category, which is a subcat of the accepting sects of those which accept the first seven. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:57, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom -- If kept, rename to "by denomination" or "by church". Peterkingiron (talk) 17:05, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Clickteam (game engine) games

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Clickteam (game engine) games to Category:Clickteam Fusion games
 * Nominator's rationale: Clickteam is a company that develops game engines. However, "Clickteam (game engine) games" suggest that the games in this category are using an engine called "Clickteam", which is incorrect. All games currently in the category use the company's Clickteam Fusion (formerly Multimedia Fusion), so the category should be renamed to reflect that instead. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 07:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Malankara Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:40, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Malankara Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church to Category:Jacobite Syrian Christian Church
 * Nominator's rationale: per main article title Elizium23 (talk) 05:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy Peterkingiron (talk) 17:05, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Women herpetologists
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Star of Italy

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:39, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/"Listifying" Category:Recipients of the Order of the Star of Italy
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
 * This category for receiving the Order of the Star of Italy only contains Ankie Broekers-Knol, a Dutch politician who is not remotely defined by the award. Future recipients are also likely to be foreign officials since the stated purpose of the award is the "promotion of national prestige abroad, promoting friendly relations and co-operation with other countries and ties with Italy". I don't know if I can say I "listified" the recipients since there is only 1 article but it is now linked in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Background In the past, we've deleted similar categories for visiting officials here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Hero of Labor (Vietnam)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:38, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Hero of Labor (Vietnam)
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
 * The stated purpose of the Hero of Labor (Vietnam) is to honor outstanding achievements in production and work. It is confusing then that the category consists mostly of Soviet cosmonauts who are already well categorized under Category:Soviet cosmonauts. (There are also two Vietnamese biographies in the category—1 & 2—where one mentions it in the lede and the other not at all so it not consistently defining for them either.) There wasn't a list so I created one here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian churches

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:36, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian churches to Category:Mar Thoma Syrian churches
 * Nominator's rationale: Per main article title Elizium23 (talk) 00:14, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * we have a speedy procedure for this kind of nominations. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , OK, should I nominate them there and have these closed? Elizium23 (talk) 07:01, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You're already here but it's definitely easier for next time. Next time you also may want to look at nesting closely related nominations (example). Procedural fine tuning aside, this was a good catch. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy Rename Mar Thoma Syrian Church means WP:C2D applies, consistency with main article's name. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:37, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church to Category:Mar Thoma Syrian Church
 * Nominator's rationale: Per main article title Elizium23 (talk) 00:13, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Combine With above outcome, whether I agree with it or not. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Metropolitans of the Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:37, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Metropolitans of the Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church to Category:Metropolitans of the Mar Thoma Syrian Church
 * Nominator's rationale: Per article title Elizium23 (talk) 00:13, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Combine With above outcome, whether I agree with it or not. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


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