Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 26



Mayors in Flevoland

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Mayors in Flevoland. (non-admin closure) Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 11:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging:
 * Category:Mayors of Almere to Category:People from Almere‎ and Category:Mayors in Flevoland
 * Category:Mayors of Lelystad to Category:People from Lelystad‎ and Category:Mayors in Flevoland
 * Category:Mayors of Urk to Category:People from Urk‎ and Category:Mayors in Flevoland
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, just one or two articles in each of these categories and they are not part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:15, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Dual Upmerge for Now While these locations obviously had other mayors, they likely wouldn't be notable. No objection to recreating any that prove me wrong and get up to 5+ articles. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:07, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Former motorcycle manufacturers of France

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 16:32, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Former motorcycle manufacturers of France to Category:Defunct motorcycle manufacturers of France
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, aligning with sibling categories in Category:Defunct motorcycle manufacturers. It was opposed for speedy renaming because some manufacturers in this category might still exist today and changes business, so that "defunct" would not apply, but apparently none of these manufacturers factually is still existing. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:02, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Category:Former motorcycle manufacturers of France to Category:Defunct motorcycle manufacturers of France - C2C Hugo999 (talk) 09:37, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose this category is for both companies that went out of business, and for companies still in business that used to make motorcycles but don't any longer. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * UnitedStatesian AFAIS, only of these companies (Juery) exists today, and the others are indeed defunct. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:45, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment the two parent categories are "Defunct motorcycle manufacturers" and "Defunct motor vehicle manufacturers of France". Most of the companies date from the early 20th century; Juery according to its article existed until the sixties Hugo999 (talk) 22:25, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * pinging contributors to CFDS discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Armbrust The Homunculus 03:52, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename We can certainly have a broader conversation about the adjective, but for now we should follow the clear naming convention. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:08, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:1470 establishments in Slovakia

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; re-categorize article as discussed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 1470 establishments in slovakia


 * Nominator's rationale: Did Slovakia, or even the word Slovakia, exist in 1470? As per Slovakia, The first written mention of name Slovakia is in 1586. Gjs238 (talk) 17:29, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Against. Slovakia does exist now, and the foundation mentioned in the relevant article was located in what are the present geographical boundaries of Slovakia, as is its successor now on the same site. It is a 1470 foundation and it is in Slovakia, and therefore conforms exactly to the definition in the category. If (for example) the area in 1470 was in the Kingdom of Hungary (which it may have been, haven't checked yet), it would be possible to categorize it also as "1470 establishments in the Kingdom of Hungary". But it would not be correct to remove the present categorization. One category represents "in" as geographical location; the other as "in" political geohistory.--Smerus (talk) 17:41, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per consensus established at Categories for discussion/Log/2013 December 20: we try to avoid anachronistic categories wherever possible. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * But it is a foundation in 1470 - what do you replace it with? E.g. "1470 establishments in the Szepes county of the Kingdom of Hungary" (as I find it to have been)? and how many readers would know exactly where that was?--Smerus (talk) 19:41, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The subject of the only article in the category, Basilica of the Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Levoča, is located in Levoča, which says "In the 11th century, this region was conquered and, subsequently, became part of the Kingdom of Hungary and remained such until 1918," and "After the Treaty of Trianon and the dismantling of the Kingdom of Hungary, the city became part of the newly formed Czechoslovakia." So the article goes into Category:15th-century establishments in Hungary, Category:18th-century establishments in Hungary and Category:1922 establishments in Czechoslovakia. Gjs238 (talk) 03:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly! It goes into whichever country it was part of for that year. And the article will remain in 5 other Slovakian categories so readers interested in that topic can still find it. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:20, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:15th-century establishments in Hungary. Long-standing consensus on emerging countries/changing borders. Categorizing everything but countries that came before or after would lead to clutter and not aid navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to a Hungary category. Anachronistic categories are not encouraged.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:57, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - the same user has also created (incompletely) ,, and to which the same arguments apply. Le Deluge (talk) 17:34, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Slovakia didn't exist in 1470. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:32, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If there is a reasonably exact date it isnt sensible to assert that something happened at a time when the country in question didnt exist. It was established in the Kingdom of Hungary.Rathfelder (talk) 18:50, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Arkady and Boris Strugatsky

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 * The result of the discussion was:  delete/merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:38, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting arkady and boris strugatsky
 * Propose merging to
 * Nominator's rationale: Both fail WP:OCEPON. There is nothing in the second category besides the eponymous article and the novels category, in which main article Noon Universe can very well be located. Place Clichy (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Category:Novels by Arkady and Boris Strugatsky suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:43, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Lacks the article count to justify this many cats and doesn't aid navigation right now. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:40, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:João Guimarães Rosa

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:38, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting joão guimarães rosa


 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. Place Clichy (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Category:Works by João Guimarães Rosa suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:45, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete for Now With no objection to recreating if it ever gets up to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:40, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Jorge Amado

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:39, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jorge amado


 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. Place Clichy (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Category:Books by Jorge Amado suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:47, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete for Now With no objection to recreating if it ever gets up to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:40, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:José de Alencar

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:39, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting josé de alencar


 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. Place Clichy (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Category:Novels by José de Alencar suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:49, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete for Now With no objection to recreating if it ever gets up to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:41, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Clarice Lispector

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting clarice lispector


 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. The only content besides the works category is, which could just as well be located in the child category. After all, what did they translate but her works? Place Clichy (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete and recategorize subcat, per nom. Category:Books by Clarice Lispector suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:53, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Machado de Assis

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 16:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Machado de Assis to Category:Works by Machado de Assis
 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. The only content besides the eponymous article is, Template:Works by Machado de Assis, a novella, a short story and Prêmio Machado de Assis, an article about an award named after him. Only the latter would not fit in a works category, but per WP:SHAREDNAME it is not necessary to parent an award to a category about its namesake. Place Clichy (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:54, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Timelines of fictional events

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The sole article Timeline of Star Trek has been moved to Category:Wikipedia timelines. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting timelines of fictional events


 * Nominator's rationale: This is a WP:SMALLCAT that can never be populated beyond a few articles. There is currently only one article in this category, and many of the articles that once populated this category have been long since deleted, from bygone era when Wikipedia standards were much lower. Recommend deletion as the best alternative as these have been consistently deleted as violations of WP:OR (see collapsed comment below). Shooterwalker (talk) 16:05, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Additional Note: I remember most of these were deleted more than ten years ago as a purge of original research lists. I found this 2012 AFD discussion where I compiled a list of AFDs that were relevant at the time. I decided to organize it and document it here for reference purposes. Nearly every fictional timeline has been deleted with a consensus at AFD (except for four, which were closed as redirect). Shooterwalker (talk) 16:58, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Articles for deletion/Carlesean Timeline (2005)
 * Articles for deletion/Mirror Universe Timeline (2005)
 * Articles for deletion/Pirate Timeline (2005)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline of Harry Potter fan fiction (2005)
 * Articles for deletion/The X-Files Timeline
 * Articles for deletion/Castlevania timeline (2006)
 * Articles for deletion/Metal Gear timeline (2006)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline of fictional historical events (2006)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline of fictional historical events prior to the 20th century (2006)
 * Articles for deletion/Transformers timeline (2006)
 * Articles for deletion/A story timeline of Another World (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Degrassi timeline (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Dragon Ball alternate timelines (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Nosgoth timeline (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Sonic timeline (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Star Fleet Universe timeline (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline and alternate timelines for the Warcraft lore (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline of Batman (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline of Command & Conquer (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline of Futurama (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline of Grand Theft Auto III canon (2007)
 * Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of Faerûn: Present (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline of the Phantasy Star series (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline of the Ultima Universe (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Xanth timeline (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Wing Commander timeline (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Zork timeline (2007)
 * Articles for deletion/Alien and Predator timeline (2nd nomination) (2008)
 * Articles for deletion/Batman's career timeline (2008)
 * Articles for deletion/Bionicle timeline (2008)
 * Articles for deletion/EverQuest timeline (3rd nomination) (2008)
 * Articles for deletion/Highlander Timelines (2008)
 * Articles for deletion/Lost island timeline (2008)
 * Articles for deletion/Metal gear solid timeline (2008)
 * Articles for deletion/Smallville timeline (2008)
 * Articles for deletion/Silent Möbius timeline (2008)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline of Stargate (2008)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline of the Warhammer 40,000 universe (2008)
 * Articles for deletion/Beyblade timeline (2nd nomination) (2009)
 * Articles for deletion/Dragonlance timeline (2nd nomination) (2010)
 * Articles for deletion/Honorverse timeline (2010)
 * Articles for deletion/Legacy of Kain timeline (2010)
 * Articles for deletion/Neon Genesis Evangelion timeline (2nd nomination) (2010)
 * Articles for deletion/Shadowrun timeline (3rd nomination) (2010)
 * Articles for deletion/Shannara timeline (2010)
 * Articles for deletion/The Sopranos timeline (2010)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline of fictional future events (2010)
 * Articles for deletion/World of Greyhawk timeline (2010)
 * Articles for deletion/Age of Worms Timeline (2011)
 * Articles for deletion/Hellboy fictional timeline (2011)
 * Articles for deletion/Legend of Zelda Timeline (2011)
 * Articles for deletion/Narnian timeline (2011)
 * Articles for deletion/Terminator timeline (2011)
 * Articles for deletion/The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen timeline (3rd nomination) (2011)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline of the Valiant Universe (2011)
 * Articles for deletion/Timeline of Harry Potter (2012)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to parent category Category:Wikipedia timelines. It is still a timeline. Dimadick (talk) 01:41, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional victims human rights abuses

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:14, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional victims human rights abuses to Category:Fictional victims
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is mostly ORish, since "human rights" does not exist as a category in many (perhaps most) fictional works. I don't see the benefit for it to exist as a separate category from fictional victims. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  10:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment The non-fictional Category:Victims of human rights abuses groups the same subcategories together as we have here. I'll defer to others if this aids navigation in the fictional space. - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:39, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - if kept, the name is missing an 'of'. I don't see any problem with the present set-up, with fictional following non-fictional. Oculi (talk) 16:20, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Good catch. Rename if Kept - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:05, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, but then add Category:Fictional victims of genocide to Category:Fictional victims. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:02, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Someone has even decided that being sentenced to death is a human rights abuse. WP is full of wisdom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:36, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep, also in the real-life Category:Victims of human rights abuses. It was a recent anon edit. At least this one on Capital punishment was reverted. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:29, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional victims of genocide

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:59, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional victims of genocide


 * Nominator's rationale: Similar to Fictional genocide perpetrators, this appears to a pure WP:OR category. I checked several of the articles at random and none of them mentioned "genocide". (edit: I made sure that the child cat, Category:Fictional Holocaust survivors, was upmerged as appropriate. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  09:51, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 20:22, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Clicked through like 10 of these and they are exactly as the nominator describes, a subjective impression (WP:SUBJECTIVECAT) of genocide rather than the article explicitly making the claim. RevelationDirect (talk) 11:30, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:OR and arbitrary. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:37, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support as noted by nominator, the parental corrections have already been made, so this can just be deleted.
 * Support absolute original research and fails WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, this category makes no sense, as Bruce Banner did to reverse "the Snap" in Avengers: Endgame. Chompy Ace 03:21, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Viewtiful Joe (series)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 16:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Viewtiful Joe (series) to Category:Viewtiful Joe
 * Nominator's rationale: To reflect the title of the main page of this category. According to WP:NCVGDAB, Viewtiful Joe was moved to Viewtiful Joe (video game) and Viewtiful Joe (series) was then moved to Viewtiful Joe. BMSPD (talk) 09:41, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2DZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional genocide perpetrators

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:59, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional genocide perpetrators


 * Nominator's rationale: Seems to be an WP:OR category. I checked several random articles in the category, Sarah Kerrigan, Phlox (Star Trek), Cult of Skaro, Darkspawn, and Vegeta. Of these only one of the articles (Vegeta) mentioned "genocide" in the text, and I removed it because it failed verification in the cited source. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  09:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Support Per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. RevelationDirect (talk) 11:32, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 20:45, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Cultural icon

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:48, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cultural icon


 * Nominator's rationale: Badly named category (it should be pluralized "icons" if it's to exist at all) of questionable utility. Apart from the head article cultural icon itself, the contents here comprise three awards that have the word "icon" in their names, two similar articles about the concept of iconicity in narrower cultural domains, two redirects that have the word icon in their titles but lead to target articles that aren't really about that and one biography of an individual person. In other words, it's a weird mixture of several overcategorization errors rather than a useful or defining category. And even if it were to be kept, it would still have to be renamed to "Cultural icons" anyway, since categories like this are named in the plural rather than the singular. Bearcat (talk) 07:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, or alt merge to parent . While real, the notion can be so vaguely and subjectively defined that it does not make a workable scope for a Wikipedia category. Notable, the other parent is completely irrelevant and deals with very different types of icons. Place Clichy (talk) 17:19, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. If merged, purge before merging because most of the content does not belong in the parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete purely subjective. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Incoherent category. Dimadick (talk) 02:00, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT icon
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, but merge the articles "FOO as a gay icon" to Category:LGBT culture. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:37, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lgbt icon


 * Nominator's rationale: Badly named category (it should be pluralized "icons" if it's to exist at all) of questionable utility. We've deleted "Gay icons" categories several times in the past (see in particular Categories for deletion/Log/2006 April 27, where it got deleted precisely on a failed proposal to rename it to this, but also Categories for discussion/Log/2008 January 24, which ended with salting), but expanding "gay" to "LGBT" doesn't resolve the reasons why it was deleted in the first place since exclusion of L, B and T wasn't the problem with it. Other than the head article gay icon itself, the only real contents here are a couple of "[Specific Celebrity] as gay icon" essays -- everything else is just a redirect, either "lesbian/LGBT icon" pointing back to the head article, or weird isolated cases where "[Specific Celebrity] as gay icon" exists as a redirect to the specific celebrity's BLP rather than a standalone article. (And even the actual standalone articles are of questionable necessity, as it's not at all clear that essays about their gay-iconicity actually need to exist independently of their popularity among gay people being mentioned in their biographical articles, but that's a matter for AFD or merge discussions rather than CFD.) So there just isn't a ton of encyclopedic value here, if redirects and articles of questionable value account for literally all but one of its entries. And even if it were to be kept, it would still have to be renamed to "LGBT icons" anyway, since categories like this are named in the plural rather than the singular. Bearcat (talk) 07:00, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment I wrote up a reply to speedy delete per WP:G4 but then I looked through the actual contents, which is always a good idea in CFD. The creation of the "X as a gay icon" articles makes this tougher than last time. - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:54, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The "X as gay icon" articles aren't new, and already existed at the time of the prior discussions. Bearcat (talk) 17:47, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Naming Question Typically having a main article (Gay icon) + 3 more articles (Janet Jackson as a gay icon, Judy Garland as gay icon and Madonna as a gay icon) would lead to Category:Gay icons. Sure, we like 5+ articles but there's growth potential here. The challenge is that we've seen similar categories get loaded up with loose biographies per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Is there a category name that would convey that only the "essays" should be included? - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:54, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Well the cult of gay icons has a name, it is Gay culture, for which the category is . It is certainly a better name for it than the other parent . To be more specific, we couls create an intermediate level, where there could also be e.g. which is currently a bit stranded out. Place Clichy (talk) 17:19, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Manually Merge That's a good suggestion. Merge the actual articles to Category:LGBT culture. I share the nominator's concern about the category but the actual articles should stay in the tree so readers can find them. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:26, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, or alt merge to for content (though not necessarily redirects) that would not already be in a subcategory. Place Clichy (talk) 17:19, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Manually merge per Place Clichy. There is no obvious reason to withdraw the articles from the bigger tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete purely subjective except for the main article, which is adequately categorized elsewhere. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:46, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians interested in Chicago Bears
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 16:30, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians interested in Chicago Bears to Category:Wikipedians interested in the Chicago Bears
 * Nominator's rationale: Grammar consistency. <b style="background:#006A4D; padding:2px"> NASCARfan0548  ↗ </b> 04:38, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Support rename. Note that the majority of the categories within the parent category, Category:Wikipedians interested in American rules football teams, do not use "the", but that was a result of an earlier mass rename nomination. I believe this and the rest can be speedied per C2B based on this subsequent discussion or C2C based on other subcategories in Category:Wikipedians interested in sports teams. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 07:29, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Eastern Catholic Righteous Among the Nations
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:47, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Upmerging Category:Eastern Catholic Righteous Among the Nations to Category:Catholic Righteous Among the Nations
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:NARROWCAT)
 * The Righteous Among the Nations is an Israeli award for those who risked their lives to save Jewish people from the Holocaust and is defining for the recipients, so there's no WP:OCAWARD issue here. Also, these monks were motivated by religion so there's not a WP:OCEGRS, per se. But I'm not convinced that practicing the Byzantine Rite versus the Latin Rite led them to resist Nazism and this creates a narrow category with just 2 articles. We group together a variety of Protestant denominations under Category:Protestant Righteous Among the Nations and 1 Catholic category here should also be sufficient. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:59, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Moreover the comparison with the Protestant tree is even a bit unjust in the sense that Eastern Catholics are a member of the Catholic Church, while one global Protestant Church does not exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:58, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose In some cases a Greek Catholic identity, as opposed to Latin Catholic, was linked to rescue. This includes Pavel Peter Gojdič specifically. See this PhD thesis, for some examples. She notes that different denominations behaved differently towards Jews seeking help and that in Slovakia, "The number of those baptized in the Greek Catholic rite was also relatively high (886)." Baptism was, in that country, a mechanism of saving Jews from deportation. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  09:31, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Given that the current category only has 2 articles, it cannot be giving readers the impression of widespread Greek Catholic resistance but hopefully the RATN article count will grow! - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:02, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The fact that there also dozens of Latin-rite Catholics in the parent category disproves the claim that rite is a decisive factor here. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:37, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Since a large majority of Catholics are Latin Rite, it's hard to infer too much about dmographics from biography article counts in Wikipedia categories. RevelationDirect (talk) 15:56, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Greek Catholic identity is strong, and in the cases mentioned above played a role in the actions of the Righteous. The reason why there are plenty of latin-rite Catholics (a.k.a. Roman Catholics) in the parent is that they form a very large majority of Catholics, and a subcategory is often not necessary for the majority group (as in male heads of government etc.). Place Clichy (talk) 17:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose Greek Catholic ≠ Roman Catholic. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:47, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Righteous Among the Nations from Vienna
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:46, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Dual Upmerging Category:Righteous Among the Nations from Vienna to Category:Austrian Righteous Among the Nations & Category:People from Vienna
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCLOCATION)
 * The Righteous Among the Nations is an Israeli award for those who risked their lives to save Jewish people from the Holocaust and is defining for the recipients, so there's no WP:OCAWARD issue here. We've broken down the winners by country but this is the only city subcategory. While this is not a small cat, the Austrian category is not so large it needs diffusion and I don't think the city category is meaningful or helpful to navigation on this topic. If there is something unique about the Holocaust in Vienna that justifies treating it differently, by all means enlighten me and I'll withdraw this nomination. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:59, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge as a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge or delete many of the rescues didn't even take place in Vienna, eg. Anton Schmid, Hermann Langbein, or Milena Jesenská. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  09:36, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge, per nom. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:12, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional robotic martial artists
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, merging content to Category:Fictional martial artists and Category:Fictional robots. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:45, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional robotic martial artists


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:ARBITRARYCAT, since martial arts and robots have absolutely nothing to do with each other. One can be a member of Category:Fictional martial artists and Category:Fictional androids but it doesn't merit a cross-categorization. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 01:29, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:Fictional martial artists and Category:Fictional robots, as a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:01, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Fictional martial artists and Category:Fictional robots, per Marcocapelle's suggestion. The characters are both. but this is not a valid subcategory. Dimadick (talk) 02:06, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Anthropomorphic martial artists
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:46, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting anthropomorphic martial artists


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:ARBITRARYCAT, since martial arts and anthropomorphism have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Most of the articles in this category are also not defined as martial artists in reliable sources, or aren't characters, so I'd suggest deleting rather than merging it. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 01:15, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:33, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom as arbitrary. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:02, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Starman films
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Category:Dragons in video games
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 16:30, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Dragons in video games to Category:Video games about dragons
 * Propose renaming Category:Vampire video games to Category:Video games about vampires
 * Propose renaming Category:Zombie video games to Category:Video games about zombies
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF, games must be about the topic, not just contain it ZXCVBNM (TALK) 00:30, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. We should not be tracking, or encouraging tracking, video games that just happen to feature monsters as minor enemies or whatever.--AlexandraIDV 10:56, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Ends up being more accurate and hopefully clear. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:01, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Like Dragon City, this rename is more accurate. Chompy Ace 03:16, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Pre-Confederation Canadian expatriates in the United Kingdom
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:46, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting pre-confederation canadian expatriates in the united kingdom


 * Nominator's rationale: I understand the point of this category, but pre-Confederation Canadian people were British subjects. I wonder if such a person can be an "expatriate" in the United Kingdom. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:15, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete I just added the only article in this category, Henry J. Finn, to Category:People from Sydney, Nova Scotia but his stay in England appears brief. I think we can call this a day. RevelationDirect (talk) 04:29, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete calling them a person from Nova Scotia a Canadian in a period when the term referred to Upper Canada (now Ontario) and LOwer Canada (now Quebec) is anachronistic and inappropriate. He might be classified as a Nova Scotia emigrant to UK (and later to US).  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:04, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


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