Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 8



Category:Glavatičevo
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 19%23Category:Glavatičevo

Category:Disabled Wikipedians

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:51, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting disabled wikipedians


 * Nominator's rationale: Previously deleted at Categories for discussion/Log/2012 February 17. All subcategories are already in Category:Wikipedians by medical condition, so will not become orphaned if this category is deleted. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:01, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Autism and epilepsy are two very different mental disorders. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 02:30, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: There are many many types of disabilities which are unrelated except in that they may or may not be disabling. If you're disabled you're disabled, for whatever reason. Kinda like nothing in the Category:Shades of color has anything in common but having color(s). Hyacinth (talk) 07:15, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete As the previous discussion stated: "The grouping reflects no particular ability, expertise or interest that would support collaborative editing and for which someone might need to browse the category." -- Just N. (talk) 18:07, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: You don't think of the input of Wikipedians with disabilities as useful and that diversity doesn't assist Wikipedia? Those seem very much anti-collaboration stances. If you don't believe that a diversity of people and outlooks makes Wikipedia better that's a direct assault on the foundation of Wikipedia. It's anti-collaboration, censorship, and bigotry. Why should I collaborate on a project that hates it's contributors and treats them like garbage? You don't want to improve Wikipedia, you want to destroy it. Hyacinth (talk) 09:44, 11 November 2020 (UTC)/Wikipedia
 * A category about collaborating on the topic of disabilities would be named Category:Wikipedians interested in disabilities. It is naive to assume that all disabled editors want to contribute on that topic, or vice versa that all non-disabled editors are not interested in contributing on this topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:31, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Category:LGBT+ Wikipedians is not Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT+. So you've proposed a theoretical example while, despite my disability, I provided a real example. Hyacinth (talk) 15:59, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * For Category:LGBT+ Wikipedians the same applies as for this category and there is Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep/Merge I have to agree with Hyacinth, there are may types of disabilities which there is now a definition of Disabled and what types of disabilities there are on the page. There are Wikipedians who are disabled who create pages etc on this site too which some of us on Wikipedia forget. In my opinion, for example i think that epilepsy would be classed under both since some people who have it have it worse than others and cannot work or do basic tasks as they have a lot of seizures due to it and some can work which hardly effects their day to day activities. Perhaps, we should then merge the Disabled Wikipedians category into the Category:Wikipedians by medical condition or visa versa at least that way we can keep them both plus if there are are no relevant Wikipedia category pages on the medical condition page at least it would show it on the Disabled one or just add category: Wikipedians by medical condition to the disabled Wikipedian categories. D Eaketts (talk) 09:42, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment:After having a relook at the category, i think that it should be a Strong keep instead of merging. Plus i agree with everyone who would like to keep this category. D Eaketts (talk) 08:38, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong keep if users want to categorise themselves this way, why not? this is also a parent category for subcategories. Deleting this is expressing discrimination against disabled wikipedians. It appears that there is something going against minorities here that do not agree with the majority, so that any politically incorrect POV has to be censored here. Diversity is important here, and we should allow people to identify as to which part of diverse they are. The previous argument for deletion was incredibly flimsy, and this nom is even weaker, not giving any intrinsic reason whatsoever to delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:29, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:USERCAT and it does not seem to have any collaborative purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't think that disabled people are capable of collaboration? That's bigotry 101 and the reason for this category. Hyacinth (talk) 04:04, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have not said that. See also my comment further above. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:33, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong keep Disability can shape a person’s identity just as much as gender and sexual orientation, which each have their own categories. And given Wikipedia’s notorious lack of diversity, we shouldn’t be making future collaboration more difficult for marginalized groups. I’m also against merging it to Category:Wikipedians by medical condition. A disability will hinder one’s ability to live a normal life, whereas a medical condition may be nondisabling or inconsequential in the scheme of one’s life. In addition, there is a notable portion of the disabled community who believe in the social model of disability, which frames disability as the social barriers experienced by people with impairments. From that perspective, disability is a separate concept from medical conditions. Nocowardsoulismine (talk) 02:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: This proposed deletion is inherently discriminatory. Wikipedia editors, unlike the subjects of articles, should be allowed to identify themselves without citations. As a disabled person, I have the right to say that I am disabled, if I am brave enough to do so. If you oppose this category it's called "abilism". It's a very simple issue of free speech versus censorship and discrimination. If you think I'm not allowed to say I'm disabled then you're a bigot who is trying to censor me. Even worse, you have no justification for your bigotry, except that since disabled people don't matter, they're not allowed a voice. Hyacinth (talk) 21:21, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: What categories do is lump together seemingly disparate things. I'm ashamed to have participated in a collaboration where anyone would ever suggest that Wikipedia would be better off without disabled people. I guess we care more about knowledge than we do about people, and that's fine, if you keep your mouth shut. But if you think you get to speak and I don't, then watch out, because it's gonna be a wild ride. Hyacinth (talk) 03:02, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Strong keep: This proposed deletion is like Super Mario Brothers. Why are they Italian when the game was made in Japan? Why are they plumbers, the least heroic figures in society? Why are there turtles, never mind evil turtles? It's surreal, and I beg the person (User:Pppery) who proposed this deletion to meet some disabled people, and begin to know what they are talking about. As a mentally ill adult, I worked (for a year) with mentally ill adults. Almost every bipolar and schizophrenic person I met, because of my epilepsy, we had something in common: medications. I was on Dilantin, which, after a few decades, makes you a three hundred pound toothless person. But I know schizophrenic people without teeth, who weigh 300 pounds, and thank the universe for Dilantin. It turns out Wikipedia, rather than having countless editors to keep its content accurate, is a place where countless editors expressing their hatred and pain, and have so much of it that they don't know that other people have much worse problems and can still do their jobs. I'm sickened and I'm saddened. I'm ashamed and shamed. This ain't eugenics, this is an encyclopedia. Hyacinth (talk) 03:02, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong keep per Hyacinth and Nocowardsoulismine. I can't say it better. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 15:55, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Persian books

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 17:24, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Persian books to Category:Iranian books
 * Nominator's rationale: Persia redirects to Iran and there is very significant overlap between both categories - having both is redundant. Elliot321 (talk &#124; contribs) 21:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, but perhaps to a different target, namely Category:Persian-language books. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge where appropriate to Persian-language books, per Marcocapelle. Her Pegship (?) 00:42, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:People from Fiume

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:53, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Fiume to Category:People from Rijeka
 * Nominator's rationale: Rijeka and Fiume are the same place. The city has different names in different languages and its official name has changed, depending on which country it was in.  Although I can see why someone might want to do this, it doesnt work.  Plenty of the people in Category:People from Rijeka were there when it was called Fiume, and some are in both categories.  As far as I know we havent done this for anywhere else, though there are plenty of cities whose names have changed. Rathfelder (talk) 19:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have discovered that there are separate categories for Category:People from Constantinople and Category:Ancient Byzantines, which are both subcategories of Category:People from Istanbul. That too causes problems, as people are clearly sometimes in the wrong category, but at least the change of name is further in the past and is pretty well-known. Rathfelder (talk) 17:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:6th century in France
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Category:Sports clubs named after people

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting  Category:Sports clubs named after people
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SHAREDNAME
 * This category groups together sports clubs that are named after a person. Local athletes, Christopher Columbus, whoever. It's definitely more common for sports clubs to be named after, say, a city or animal but these articles have nothing in common other than the same type of name. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and WP:SHAREDNAME. Grutness... wha?   02:40, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:SHAREDNAME. -- Just N. (talk) 18:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Kurdish culture in France

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 22:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Kurdish culture in France
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT and the spirit of WP:C1, an empty category
 * No conceptual objection to this category but the only article in it is Joyce Blau with little room for growth. While Ms. Blau is world expert in the Kurdish language, we don't normally stick biography articles in culture categories. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Struck per discussion below. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete -- The one article does not belong. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:00, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose, I've added some relevant articles, I think deletion request was hastily and it could extend.Paraw (talk) 01:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your efforts to populate it! I'm still not convinced of the usefulness of this category but we're getting very close to 5 articles for an organizational category called Category:Kurdish Institute of Paris with Kurdish Institute of Paris, Kurd1 Channel, The Kurdish Digital Library, Kurmancî (magazine) and room to grow. (I was not persuaded by additional biography articles or mostly Turkish cinema though.) What are your thoughts on reframing this category around the organization?RevelationDirect (talk) 01:36, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * This category looks much different than when I nominated it. You may want to review your iVotes and give your thoughts on creating Category:Kurdish Institute of Paris. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)


 * If kept, purge biographies, as this is a topic category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - As populated as it looks now thanks to User:RevelationDirect we can keep it without worrying. -- Just N. (talk) 18:20, 9 November 2020 (UTC)


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