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Category:Death in Riverside County

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete, but rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:10, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Death in Riverside County to Category:Death in Riverside County, California
 * Nominator's rationale: Clarify that the category pertains to a county in California, and not elsewhere. Including the state name follows standards used in other categories. OvertAnalyzer (talk) 23:05, 10 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete we don't need to divide these buy counties (the only other one currently there is LA county, which can go after this one). We haven't divided most of the people who died in X state into their counties and probably not needed. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:13, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename. While I didn't create the category, and I initially thought it seemed like an odd category, I decided to start putting articles in the category to see how it worked out. I feel this type of category should be viewed as something different than "people who died in x" county or state. Riverside County has some unique articles that I thought fell into the category, such as Elizabeth Bouvia (a national right to die case), Death of Gloria Ramirez (a national news story of a mysterious death), and Tyisha Miller (a national news story of a black woman killed by police). Also certain crimes and news events that involved death in Riverside County. I did not include anyone that happened to die in Riverside, County. That would be a long list, and I thought that would better be in a category "Deaths in Riverside County, California" ("death" with an "s"), but since there are no categories for "Deaths in x County", I didn't go there. (I don't know if I am supposed to be voting, since I posted the original rename request, but I thought you might be interested in my perspective on the matter.)OvertAnalyzer (talk) 02:23, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete/Speedy Rename if Kept I don't think adding the county layer aids navigation. If kept, by all means rename per WP:C2D. RevelationDirect (talk) 20:44, 1 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Converts to Eastern Catholicism from the Assyrian Church of the East

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:09, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Category:Converts to Eastern Catholicism from the Assyrian Church of the East has five pages. The five persons in question lived and died long before 1976, when the name "Assyrian Church of the East" was adopted. The Assyrian Church of the East claims to be the continuation of the church that they left, the "Nestorian" Church of the East. So does the Ancient Church of the East. (So indeed does the Eastern Catholic Church that they became members of: the Chaldean Catholic Church.) For each of the five individuals "Category:Converts to Eastern Catholicism from the Assyrian Church of the East" should be changed to "Category:Converts to Eastern Catholicism from the Church of the East". Bealtainemí (talk) 20:04, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, the history of the Church of the East is very confusing between 1552 and 1830. For three articles in this category (people who lived in this confusing period) the rename may make sense and the current category name seems inappropriate, for the two other articles (about modern people) the current category name also makes sense. Sorry I am not providing an actual solution here. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that User:Bealtainemí's proposal wants to remove the word 'Assyrian' from the existing category. If this is done, it would affect the content of five articles on individual members, who would then be categorized differently. An example is Yohannan VIII Hormizd. Note that our article on Church of the East has a hatnote which says 'not to be confused with … the Assyrian Church of the East..'. If the nature of the prior church can't be crisply stated (Assyrian or not) maybe these five people could just be placed in the broader . EdJohnston (talk) 17:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose in my opinion there were some procedural errors in starting this CFD, the intention whether to delete or merge is not explicitly stated, as well as no template was added to the category in question. Not all five subjects whose articles are in this category are, as the nominator claims, "died long before 1976". Bawai Soro is still alive in fact and his conversation from the Assyrian Church of the East to the Chalcedonian Catholic Church is well cited in the article. So my final !vote would be keep and purge if necessary, also per consistency with the  Category:Members of the Assyrian Church of the East category family. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 19:07, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Çomment. You are right and I was quite wrong with regard to Bawai Soro. Abraham Shimonaya became a Chaldean well before 1976. The line of patriarchs that Shimun VIII Yohannan Sulaqa founded is the line of the Assyrian Church of the East, so how do we say he was a convert from the Assyrian Church of the East? The church that he broke away from to form his own line of patriarchs was what has been called the "legitimist" line of the Church of the East. It was this legitimist line, not that of Sulaqa and the Assyrian Church of the East, that Joseph I (Chaldean Patriarch) broke away from. The same holds for Yohannan VIII Hormizd, who was in fact illicitly elected successor to the legitimist line of patriarchs of the Church of the East. It was so obviously false to categorize these three, especially Sulaqa, as converts from the Assyrian Church of the East that i mistakenly jumped to the conflusion that the whole list was wrong. I apologize for my mistake and leave it to wiser heads that mine to solve the present highly curious categorization. Bealtainemí (talk) 20:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment For lack of support and for other reasons, I withdraw, if I may, my renaming proposal. I will remove from the articles on the three for whom the categorization is evidently false the indication that what they left was the "Assyrian Church of the East": one of them originated the patriarchate that in 1976 took that name, and they other two belonged to a patriarchate that opposed the patriarchate that he set up and that has adopted the name "Assyrian Church of the East". Bealtainemí (talk) 19:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Television series by CBS Television Studios
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 18%23Category:Television series by CBS Television Studios

Suburbs of Toowoomba smallcats

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 * The result of the discussion was: manually merge as WP:SOFTDELETE. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:35, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose manually deleting:
 * 2-page categories
 * Category:Mount Lofty, Queensland
 * 3-page categories
 * Category:Middle Ridge, Queensland
 * Category:Redwood, Queensland
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Each of these 3 subcats of Category:Suburbs of Toowoomba, Australia is tiny, and likely to have little chance of expansion.  They each currently contain only the head article plus one or two other pages.
 * In each case, the head article is already in Category:Suburbs of Toowoomba (so no need to merge), and the other pages don't belong in Category:Suburbs of Toowoomba (so merger would be wrong). But the categories should be manually checked to ensure that all pages are adequately categorised.
 * I haven't checked for the availability of other articles to expand the categories; there are too many of these Australian smallcats to check. However, I make the nomination without prejudice to re-creating any of them which can be legitimately populated with more than five pages.
 * As with many New South Wales locations, the creation of geographical subcats in Queensland has been indiscriminate. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 21:05, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Manually merge to Category:Toowoomba (excluding the eponymous articles) per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Manually Merge per Marcocapelle. - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:39, 1 November 2020 (UTC)


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Suburbs of Townsville smallcats

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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge as WP:SOFTDELETE. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:25, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose manually deleting:
 * 2-page categories
 * Category:Belgian Gardens, Queensland
 * Category:Cluden, Queensland
 * Category:Crystal Creek, Queensland
 * Category:Idalia, Queensland
 * Category:Kelso, Queensland
 * Category:Mount St John, Queensland
 * Category:Mysterton, Queensland
 * Category:Oak Valley, Queensland
 * Category:Wulguru, Queensland
 * 3-page categories
 * Category:Mount Stuart, Queensland
 * Category:Pallarenda, Queensland
 * Category:Picnic Bay, Queensland
 * Category:South Townsville, Queensland
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Each of these 14 subcats of Category:Suburbs of Townsville, Australia is tiny, and likely to have little chance of expansion.  They each currently contain only the head article plus one or two other pages.
 * In each case, the head article is already in Category:Suburbs of Townsville (so no need to merge), and the other pages don't belong in Category:Suburbs of Townsville (so merger would be wrong). But the categories should be manually checked to ensure that all pages are adequately categorised.
 * I haven't checked for the availability of other articles to expand the categories; there are too many of these Australian smallcats to check. However, I make the nomination without prejudice to re-creating any of them which can be legitimately populated with more than five pages.
 * As with many New South Wales locations, the creation of geographical subcats in Queensland has been indiscriminate. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:48, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Manually merge to Category:Townsville (excluding the eponymous articles) per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Manually Merge per Marcocapelle. RevelationDirect (talk) 20:38, 1 November 2020 (UTC)


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Suburbs of the City of Blue Mountains smallcats

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 * The result of the discussion was: manually merge to Category:City of Blue Mountains/ Category:Suburbs of the City of Blue Mountains as WP:SOFTDELETE. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:41, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose manually deleting:
 * 2-page categories
 * Category:Lawson, New South Wales
 * Category:Mount Wilson, New South Wales
 * 3-page categories
 * Category:Linden, New South Wales
 * Category:Medlow Bath, New South Wales
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Each of these 4 subcats of Category:Suburbs of the City of Blue Mountains, Australia is tiny, and likely to have little chance of expansion.  They each currently contain only the head article plus one or two other pages.
 * In each case, the head article is already in Category:Suburbs of the City of Blue Mountains (so no need to merge), and the other pages don't belong in Category:Suburbs of the City of Blue Mountains (so merger would be wrong). But the categories should be manually checked to ensure that all pages are adequately categorised.
 * I haven't checked for the availability of other articles to expand the categories; there are too many of these Australian smallcats to check. However, I make the nomination without prejudice to re-creating any of them which can be legitimately populated with more than five pages.
 * As with many other New South Wales locations, the creation of geographical subcats has been indiscriminate. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:02, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Manually merge to Category:City of Blue Mountains (excluding the eponymous articles) per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Manually Merge Per Marcocapelle. RevelationDirect (talk) 20:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:American industrial rock musical groups

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not merge. MER-C 18:58, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:American industrial rock musical groups to Category:Industrial rock musical groups
 * Propose merging Category:American electronic body music groups to Category:Electronic body music groups
 * Propose merging Category:American electro-industrial music groups to Category:Electro-industrial music groups
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. The parent categories do not require diffusion by nationality. Another upmerge target may include Category:American industrial music groups. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:32, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: I don't think the proposed categories strictly fail WP:SMALLCAT, since these categorization itself always has some potential for growth with addition of new bands to the Wikipedia. Diffusions such as Category:American electronic body music groups or Category:American electro-industrial music groups may be unnecessary at this point. Strictly speaking for Category:Industrial rock musical groups, this category is now populated with 90 entries. Myxomatosis57 (talk) 16:34, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Also noticed the existence of Category:American industrial metal musical groups‎, so perhaps keeping Category:American industrial rock musical groups is fine with opportunity of further growth. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:59, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, Category:American electronic body music groups‎ meanwhile contains 12 articles, none of the three seems to be a case of WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Keep I don't think any of the categories meets WP:SMALLCAT, and all have room for growth.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 07:29, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep There seems to be scope for expansion here. Dimadick (talk) 16:30, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge w/ Caveats I am agnostic as to whether to upmerge from "American" to a more global scope, or if "ebm" and "electro" are to be merged, but I am emphatic that EBM/electro-industrial should not be merged into "industrial rock"; Use "industrial" for all of them, maybe, but there is academic study on the topic of genre-splintering in industrial music (see Reed (2013), Hanley (2011, dissertation), and Woods (2007, thesis))-- t_kiehne (talk) 02:03, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, but - is there any reason why one category is "musical" and the others are "music"? Shouldn't it be Cat:Fooian industrial rock music groups? I'd suggest a rename might be in order... Grutness... wha?   04:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * My rationale all along has been that a category like Category:Electro-industrial music groups only has 100+ entries and doesn't need to be diffused by nationality, especially someone's is just creating them for one nation. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 18:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Crazy Loop

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to . Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting crazy loop


 * Nominator's rationale: 3 articles (4 counting the singer's own article) doesn't warrant an eponymous category. WP:OCEPON. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 01:34, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It appears this category was nominated twice before 10 years ago: the first time by a known sockpuppet, in which no discussion even took place (see CfD 2010 Sep 17); and the second time, in a failed bundled nomination of eponymous categories that defaulted to keep (see CfD 2010 Dec 18). Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 02:31, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Support, the albums and songs subcategories already link to each other directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:06, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename to as Crazy Loop is a redirect. Oculi (talk) 11:25, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Interesting. So that means that subcategories need to be renamed/merged as well. Then this nomination can better be put on hold. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:13, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Good find with Dan Balan material and I'd support Oculi's rename suggestion. Couldn't the Crazy Loop subcats then be speedied from the result of this? Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 20:55, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, not ideal, but also possible. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Rename for Now to Category:Dan Balan some definite subcategory issues and I'm not positive this parent cat is viable, but a rename improves the status quo. RevelationDirect (talk) 20:42, 1 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Uttar Pradesh Technical University

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 18:52, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Uttar Pradesh Technical University to Category:Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam Technical University
 * Nominator's rationale: These appear to be duplicate categories. Uttar Pradesh Technical University redirects to Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam Technical University and the article indicates that the former is a past name of the latter. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:56, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename Merge, none of the articles seem to be historical, so all can be put under the new name. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:56, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Changed "rename" in "merge" just now. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:28, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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