Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 18



Category:Albanian city templates
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Category:Battles involving the Nizaris

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename, without prejudice to a nomination for merging due to the category only having a single article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:01, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles involving the Nizaris to Category:Battles involving the Nizari Ismaili state
 * Nominator's rationale: per main article Nizari Ismaili state, and for precision: the category only encompasses the period of the state, whereas the Nizaris continue to exist today. Constantine  ✍  11:30, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Marcocapelle's suggestion. Constantine  ✍  15:45, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Battles involving medieval Islam and Category:Wars involving the Nizaris per WP:SMALLCAT, consists of one article only and Category:Wars involving the Nizaris does not provide any addtional articles about battles. No objection against renaming Category:Wars involving the Nizaris for the reason stated by nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:31, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - per nom.GreyShark (dibra) 09:38, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Wars involving the Nizaris

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename because the target was, at the time of closing, a red link. MER-C 19:19, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wars involving the Nizaris to Category:Wars involving the Nizari Ismaili state
 * Nominator's rationale: per main article Nizari Ismaili state, and for precision: the category only encompasses the period of the state, whereas the Nizaris continue to exist today. Constantine  ✍  11:30, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. But I wonder about the content of the category, since the article Nizari Ismaili state does not mention the crusades. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:35, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - per nom.GreyShark (dibra) 09:38, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Ismaili castles

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. The article could be nominated for renaming if there are concerns about it. For now, the category can follow the article name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ismaili castles to Category:Castles of the Nizari Ismaili state
 * Nominator's rationale: For clarity and precision: Ismailism is a wider sect, what is meant here is specifically the castles of the Nizari branch in the 11th-13th centuries, during the existence of the Nizari Ismaili state. Constantine  ✍  11:22, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "Nizari Ismaili state" itself is not very common: the entity is usually alluded to by other related terms such as the "Nizaris" (and the rough equivalents "Ismailis", "Assassins", etc.) and "Alamut" (this issue could turn into a long discussion!). The title is also not strictly accurate: the state was not always Nizari (in its early years), and sometimes not even exactly Ismaili (during the reign of Imam Jalal al-Din Hassan). Sometimes it is better described as "many castle-states" and "several states: the Alamut state, the state of the Ismailis of Jabal Bahra' in Syria, the early Ismaili state based in Shahdiz, etc.". Here a more accurate title could be "Assassins/Ismailis of Alamut [Period]"
 * But for this particular article, we are able to evade the problem since "Ismaili" is actually more accurate: sometimes (such as in Gerdkuh and the castles of Syria and also in Alamut in the Ilkhanid period) the castles remained in hands of Ismailis while the state Alamut was disestablished. One may say Gerdkuh and the Alamut in the Ilkhanate period were isolated castle-state, but the Ismailis of Syria who were still settled in their castles after 1257 were technically under the sovereignty of the Mamluk Sultanate. Moreover, the term is common in the literature, notably Peter Willey's book Eagle's Nest: Ismaili Castles in Iran and Syria. Plus, some of the castles (notably Shahdiz) were acquired and lost before the Nizari-Musta'li schism of the Ismailis. --Z 12:13, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I am also open to renaming the main article, but as Marcocapelle says, as long as it is at its current name, we should be consistent. However, I strongly caution against the implied lack of distinction above: "Ismaili", on its own, is not a synonym for this polity. When used, it should always be distinguished through the use of other descriptive terms or via context, like "Ismailis of Alamut" or, "Ismaili Castles in Iran and Syria", whcih is unambiguous as the only Ismaili castles in these two countries were those of the Nizaris/Assassins. As noted in the move requests, Ismailism is a broader term than Nizari Ismailism, and even more so than the 'Alamut State' concerned here. Nizaris, as the main Ismaili branch surviving today, have a tendency to use the term 'Ismaili' without distinction for themselves, but we should be careful to not adopt one group's (implicit) agenda as fact. Constantine  ✍  15:28, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per article name. If User:ZxxZxxZ would start an RM regarding the article title, the category should follow the outcome of the RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:39, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Neutral - there should be a rename, but i'm not sure about the target name.GreyShark (dibra) 09:39, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:CBS Television Studios
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Category:Anti-pedophile activists in Catholic Church sexual abuse scandals
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Category:Television series by CBS Television Studios

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 19:20, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Television series by CBS Television Studios to Category:Television series by CBS Studios
 * Nominator's rationale: CBS Television Studios has been renamed to just CBS Studios, after being used as a copyright holder for many years. So this category needs to be renamed. ExtraEditing (talk) 12:53, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, St3095   (?)  05:26, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Rabbis that survived the Holocaust

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting rabbis that survived the holocaust


 * Nominator's rationale: Criteria for inclusion is not clear, as "rabbis" may be from all sects and levels of learning. We already have Holocaust survivor categories that are more limiting. Yoninah (talk) 03:45, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, category is based on an unrelated intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:52, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Sorry, but why does this bizarre category exist? Foxnpichu (talk) 11:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Rabbis that died in the Holocaust

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting rabbis that died in the holocaust


 * Nominator's rationale: Criteria for inclusion is not clear; thousands of Torah scholars were killed in the Holocaust and all are considered "rabbis". Yoninah (talk) 03:33, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, category is based on an unrelated intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I do think there is an intersection, but ultimately this is confusing inclusion criteria per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:46, 20 October 2020 (UTC)


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