Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 21



Category:Bishops of Kiev

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 19:28, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Bishops of Kiev to Category:Bishops of Kyiv
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Kiev to Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Kyiv
 * Propose renaming Category:Russian Orthodox bishops of Kiev to Category:Russian Orthodox bishops of Kyiv
 * Propose renaming Category:Eastern Orthodox bishops of Kiev to Category:Eastern Orthodox bishops of Kyiv
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistent with titles of main article Kyiv, parent categories, , , sibling categories , , main article Bishop of Kyiv, subcategory’s main article Bishop of Kyiv (Roman Catholic). —Michael Z. 23:53, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per recent agreement. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:48, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per recent renaming of Kyiv. Oculi (talk) 18:33, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, as a speedy nomination this was earlier opposed by User:Place Clichy. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:59, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per recent consensus. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, and especially per Bishop of Kyiv. Lev!vich 03:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. Place Clichy (talk) 16:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Kiev University of Tourism, Economics, and Law people

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 19:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Kiev University of Tourism, Economics, and Law to Category:Kyiv University of Tourism, Economics, and Law
 * Propose renaming Category:Kiev University of Tourism, Economics, and Law people to Category:Kyiv University of Tourism, Economics, and Law people
 * Propose renaming Category:Kiev University of Tourism, Economics, and Law alumni to Category:Kyiv University of Tourism, Economics, and Law alumni
 * Nominator's rationale: Official name per website, this name has more Google Books search results by 34 to 14, more Google Scholar search results by 54 to 4, more Google News search results by 1 to 0, consistent with title of main article Kyiv, parent and sibling categories. —Michael Z. 23:30, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per recent renaming of Kyiv. Oculi (talk) 18:33, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, as a speedy nomination this was earlier opposed by User:Place Clichy. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:00, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Obviously, because reasons. —Michael Z. 02:05, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Obvious how, because what? Place Clichy (talk) 16:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Obviously, because for over five weeks you’ve obstructed moves of the article Kyiv Oblast and nearly every single one of scores or hundreds of related category renames, starting with Category:Kyiv Oblast (still not renamed), all against consensus and a snowball’s chance, with no rationale except “I just believe at first sight . . ..” —Michael Z. 20:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, I suppose the parent Category:Kiev University of Tourism, Economics, and Law needs to be included in the nomination. Although the parent category is perhaps redundant altogether. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oops. Will add. —Michael Z. 02:05, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per recent consensus. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and to match Kyiv University. Lev!vich 03:45, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Mild support. I do not find many non-Ukrainian English-language sources about this university that would clearly establish what is the English convention for naming it. I notice that the website of the institution itself is inconsistent, with e.g. many references here to the Kiev Institute of Tourism, Economics and Law. Academic references also seem to be inconsistent, e.g. these Ukrainian sources which use Kiev University of Tourism, Economics and Law:   etc. Place Clichy (talk) 16:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Ethnographic groups of people from Georgia (country)

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 19:34, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Ethnographic groups of people from Georgia (country) to Category:Ethnic groups in Georgia (country)
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, duplicate category. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge -- an obvious (and verbosely named) duplicate. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:41, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Thanks Marcocapelle for the nomination! Place Clichy (talk) 16:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Film adaptations disliked by their authors

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting film adaptations disliked by their authors


 * Nominator's rationale: The subjectivity of disliking makes this an inappropriate category for Wikipedia. Songwaters (talk) 19:24, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 20:48, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - It's not subjective at all. Evan1975 (talk) 02:37, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as a trivial characteristic. Possibly listify but only if anyone would volunteer to do that. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - It isn't subjective. The authors of movies in this category have been publicly vocal about their disapproval. Besides, being a trivial characteristic is not a ground for deletion. (PS: I created this category.) I'mFeistyIncognito | Talk 11:46, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, a trivial characteristic is a ground for deletion, WP:TRIVIALCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Complete trivia.★Trekker (talk) 07:52, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Marcocapelle....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:24, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Where would we put adaptations the author some day liked, some day didn't? There are quite a few of these. M*A*S*H comes to mind, with this interesting trivia mentioned in the article: A number of sources state that [screenplay author Ring] Lardner was very upset with the liberties taken with his script. [...] Lardner eventually was given the Academy Award for Best Adapted Screenplay for his work on the film. Place Clichy (talk)
 * Delete Per WP:TRIVIALCAT and WP:NONDEFINING in general. This can be discussed in the article, surely, but is not a good basis for categorization.RevelationDirect (talk) 06:24, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Physical universe

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge for now to Category:Physical cosmology. If anyone wants to propose further changes to this categorization scheme, it should be allowed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Physical universe to Category:Universe
 * Nominator's rationale: This isn't a meaningful distinction given that the categories only contain physical entities. There would only be a distinction in religious or esoteric context, according to Physical universe ghouston (talk) 08:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Agree with nom, but alt merge to Category:Physical cosmology a bit deeper in the tree of Category:Universe. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:52, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd redirect Category:Physical universe to Category:Universe, but the contents could go in Category:Physical cosmology. ghouston (talk) 04:28, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps the redirect could go to Category:Physical cosmology to, since Category:Universe has Category:Cosmology as a subcategory which mixes mystical and scientific theories. Category:Cosmology is also a subcategory of Category:Physical universe, so the mystical / scientific split isn't very thorough. ghouston (talk) 04:34, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It may become a disambiguation page, linking to both of them. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Most if not all of these topics belong under Category:Physical cosmology. It seems redundant. Praemonitus (talk) 17:40, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Physical cosmology. Place Clichy (talk) 16:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Films set in fictional populated places

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting films set in fictional populated places


 * Nominator's rationale: This is an overly broad category, encompassing a sizable fraction of films. The other subcategories of Category:Films set in a fictional location are more focused. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose This is too big of a category to remove from a whole chain of subcategories and articles. I do think that we should make subcategories to thin out the large integer of pages. Like for example Category:Films set in fictional futuristic populated places. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 15:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as a case of WP:OCMISC, this is a collection of films not set in a real location, the films have nothing in common with each other in terms of their geography. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:45, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment @Marcocapelle, But even if the films have nothing in common in the they follow the general consensus of  sharing a common setting theme of being fictious because of that they do not take place in a real location. using a fictional location can sometimes be used a plot device for some films. Such as being in a fictional city can implement Sci-fi elements into a story.  And even if we finalize deleting this category we're going to have to delete the other similar parent categories. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 12:22, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Films may well be categorized as Sci-fi, but that is regardless of the location. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose "encompassing a sizable fraction of films" This is what makes this a viable category. The setting is defining here. Dimadick (talk) 16:14, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete many films are situated in fictional places, and unless there are no people there, they are fictional populated places. Is that defining for the film? IMHO, no. Nearly all sci-fi stories are set in various fictional populated places (using 'populated' to include populated by humanoids as well as humans), all the Lovecraft works fit in here, lots of the comic book based works, etc. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:58, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Cultural depictions of Colonel Sanders

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:09, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cultural depictions of colonel sanders


 * Nominator's rationale: Overly specific category with few articles in it, and little room for growth. Many similar cats were nominated on the 19th. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 05:07, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep This category should be kept because the character Colonel sanders is pop culture figure synonymous with the fast food brand KFC. And it has room to grow as the colonel sanders has been feture on episodes of anime shows like Hayate no Gotoku, Dragonball z, Project A-Ko and  Slayers.Link. He has also appeared in an episode of general hospital.Link. And it has plenty of potenial for growth.


 * Delete per nom. Just an appearance is not a defining characteristic, so I doubt about the potential for growth. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete There is only one real article about a depiction about him.★Trekker (talk) 07:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete for Now Looking through the bottom sections of the Harlan Sanders article, I don't rule out that this category could grow so no opposition to recreating if it ever gets up to 5 solid articles. For now, I added the video game into the that page. RevelationDirect (talk) 06:22, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Surreal children's television series

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting surreal children's television series


 * Nominator's rationale: I see no rational basis for the characterization here. What makes a kids show surreal?  None of the articles use the word anywhere other than categorization. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 04:43, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Unneeded category, presumably meant to be an intersection of Category:Surreal comedy with Category:Children's television series. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 05:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Question, if that is the case, wouldn't a rename or a dual merge be more appropriate than deletion? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete The categorization does not reflect any sources. Looks like OR to me. Dimadick (talk) 16:16, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fathers of Secretaries of State of the United States
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fathers of secretaries of state of the united states


 * Nominator's rationale: I don't feel this is a WP:DEFINING category. We only have this for US Presidents, Vice Presidents, and Irish Taoisigh.  Being related to a US Secretary of State isn't nearly as defining as President; many of those people had other positions that were as or more notable. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 04:38, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * support per nom. Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 12:27, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:01, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:NINI. Grutness... wha?   04:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per non defining. Every politician has a father and mother at some point in their life. Some are notable, some not, but almost none are notable for being mere parents of American politicians. We shouldn't use categories for paltry trivia. --Animalparty! (talk) 03:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Trauma Center
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename for now, without prejudice to a future discussion for deletion, renaming, or merging. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:07, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Trauma Center to Category:Trauma centers
 * Nominator's rationale: Trauma centers seems to be the most appropriate nomenclature for the place to categorize such facilities, as well as Trauma center and List of trauma centers in the United States. Gjs238 (talk) 02:01, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support. Shame about the spelling of centre, but a US editor got there first so fair's fair :) Grutness... wha?   02:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - these all seem to be in the US. There is Major Trauma Centre for the UK but its articles have not been added. Oculi (talk) 10:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as it concerns a non-defining characteristic of the hospitals in the category. Manually move the three topic articles to Category:Emergency medicine. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:09, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete These all seem to be in the USA.  Trauma centers are not free standing, so this is not really a defining characteristic.   Quite a few of the entries are actually disambiguation pages.   Rathfelder (talk) 22:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Per nom.★Trekker (talk) 07:55, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support I was the original creator of the category, the capitalization was a mistake! Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 06:40, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment -- Are not all these hospitals? If so, Trauma hospitals would be better. If there are not not in USA that also avoids the ENGVAR issue of center/centre.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)


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