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Category:Pages using infobox Swiss town with unknown parameters

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 * The result of the discussion was: Deleted as G7 by (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun...  03:47, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting pages using infobox swiss town with unknown parameters


 * Nominator's rationale: the template should be a redirect, then all parameters are passed TerraCyprus (talk) 23:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Nominated for speedy as G8. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 01:56, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Watson Standard boilers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 13:24, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Watson Standard boilers to Category:Locomotives with a Watson Standard boiler (or something similar)
 * Nominator's rationale: The articles in this category are about locomotives (not boilers). Note: Subject to the outcome of this CFD I intend to do a further CFD for the subcategories. Note: I'm also wondering whether these categories should be deleted - as we don't normally categorize articles about types of locomotives by what boiler some of them had for some of the time (it would be a bit like putting Boeing 747 in a category for the RB211). DexDor(talk) 21:37, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: for "deleted" read "listified into the relevant article (which is currently text on a category page)". DexDor(talk) 07:34, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Alt Rename to Category:Watson Standard boiler steam locomotives in the spirit of the nom. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:26, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What would be the advantage of that name? I think the things-with-characteristic wording makes it's easier to see at a glance what the things in the category are. DexDor(talk) 07:34, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename It's definitely better than the current name and is the one with support below so I don't want to hold up the nom. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:52, 31 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Question I see a couple larger issues with this tree though: the small subcats for each model would be better in a list in the main article. but that main article, Category:A.G. Watson locomotives, is named as a category. Is switching the namespace an issue for a WP:RM or WP:CFD?- RevelationDirect (talk) 23:26, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There are quite a few of these "articles in category space" (go up a level in the category tree). I don't think moving to the correct namespace needs a discussion. I've converted some (e.g. H.M. Beatty) by cut-and-paste as I wasn't sure whether just moving it would cause complications. DexDor(talk) 07:34, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom, for now. But when the subcategories are nominated, deletion per WP:NONDEF will be a serious alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:15, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Arabian Plate

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:35, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting arabian plate


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category (contains just the eponymous article and a geography article). We don't have a category like this for e.g. the African Plate. Note: Both articles are already in the parent category (Category:Arabian Peninsula) so no upmerge is needed.  For info: The category creator is now blocked. DexDor(talk) 19:08, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Fallout characters

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 20:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fallout characters to Category:Fallout (series)
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, creator was evidently not aware of this policy before he was blocked. I think merging would be fairly uncontroversial as it only contains one real article. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, probably dual merge also to Category:Science fiction video game characters. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:34, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Swordsmen

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:26, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Swordsmen to Category:Swordfighters
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional swordsmen to Category:Fictional swordfighters
 * Propose renaming Category:Mythological swordsmen to Category:Mythological swordfighters
 * Propose renaming Category:Japanese swordsmen to Category:Japanese swordfighters
 * Propose renaming Category:Japanese swordsmen of the Edo period to Category:Japanese swordfighters of the Edo period
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional swordsmen in video games to Category:Fictional swordfighters in video games
 * Nominator's rationale: Propose renaming this and all child categories to a more gender neutral term. I myself was confused whether "swordsmen" applied to both men and women, or male and female characters, as the term "swordswoman" also exists and has a Wiktionary page. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 09:37, 20 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Please list all of the affected subcategories as well. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 03:52, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose unless the subcats are all tagged and listed. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 06:19, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support The rename of this category and its child categories to a name that does not emphasize "men". Dimadick (talk) 17:39, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * please list and tag the affected subcategories as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * All categories now listed.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 00:37, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Not a gender-specific occupation. –LaundryPizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 04:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose except fictional cases. because swordswomen are exceptionally unusual. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:43, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I do not deny that they are unusual in real life, but they still exist. Therefore, even one swordswoman would render the title inaccurate as it states it only contains men, hence the change.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Oppose - the article is Swordsmanship. Oculi (talk) 15:11, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Suggesting that the main article name needs to be changed before these categories can be moved amounts to needless bureaucracy. The reverse can be true if it is decided that the name is unfitting.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:02, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Category names follow article names, not vice versa. Oculi (talk) 22:03, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't we allow Swordsmanship and Category:Swordfighters to exist next to each other? One is referring to a skill, the other to people. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:20, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 19:58, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support – agree that swordsmanship is a skill but seeing swordsmen categories would make me look for swordswomen categories too. Having Category:Swordfighters would mean there was no need for separate men and women categories. It would be different (for each subcat) if it was an activity with two very different ways of doing it depending on gender but I have no evidence of that being the case. --Northernhenge (talk) 23:23, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per MOS:GNL and WP:GNL. If we use crewed instead of manned, then surely we should use swordfighter instead of swordsman. Opalzukor (talk) 12:10, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.  Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 23:40, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Albanian city templates
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 13:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Albanian city templates to Category:Albania city templates
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, WP:C2C per everything in Category:City templates by country. This was an alt rename proposal in a speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * pinging partipants in CFDS discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per everything in Category:City templates by country, and also everything in Category:Albania subdivision templates. Oculi (talk) 18:42, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge or reverse merge -- We do not need both, if we need it at all. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:24, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * this is a rename proposal, there is nothing to be merged because the target is not in use. Please reconsider your vote. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:07, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Rename per nom. And no objection to the current name becoming a soft redirect (as the target currently is). Grutness... wha?   15:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:CBS Television Studios
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 13:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:CBS Television Studios to Category:CBS Studios
 * Nominator's rationale: CBS Television Studios has been renamed to CBS Studios to reflect the focus of content production for multiple platforms. Ridwan97 (talk) 09:12, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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Category:Rebellions in Armenia
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 13:24, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rebellions in Armenia to Category:Armenian rebellions in the Ottoman Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, these aren't rebellions in the modern country of Armenia, but Armenian rebellions in the Ottoman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:34, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. to better reflect contents. Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 19:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:COVID-19 pandemic in the Republic of Ireland
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 23:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:COVID-19 pandemic in the Republic of Ireland to Category:COVID-19 pandemic in Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: The article itself has been renamed to remove "Republic", likely to make the title concise, so I think the category should follow suit. Love of Corey (talk) 09:56, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Category:COVID-19 pandemic in Ireland already exists as a parent for Category:COVID-19 pandemic in the Republic of Ireland and Category:COVID-19 pandemic in Northern Ireland. The undiscussed move of the article (yesterday) should be reverted. Oculi (talk) 14:31, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose  per Oculi. It's fairly common WP practice to have Ireland parent cats for RoI and NI categories. Grutness... wha?   15:23, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note too that there is discussion on the article talk page over whether the (undiscussed) page move was a good idea or not. Grutness... wha?   15:26, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per long-standing agreement to both RoI and Ireland categories. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose Northern Ireland is not yet part of the Republic. There should be separate articles and categories.  If the target is kept it should be tagged as "container" only.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:58, 1 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Bengali Female Language Movement activists
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 20:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Bengali Female Language Movement activists to Category:Female Bengali language movement activists
 * Nominator's rationale: Fix capitalization per and reposition "Female". Alternatively, upmerge to  if not thought to be a significant intersection of sex and activity. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:07, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Prefer merge per WP:OCEGRS as an unrelated intersection with gender, otherwise rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:58, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge. I agree with Marcocapelle on the need to improve *if* kept and the preference to merge, as nondefining. gidonb (talk) 14:48, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Merge. non defining. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 19:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:CRM-software for MacOS
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to both parents.– Fayenatic  L ondon 21:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:CRM-software for MacOS to Category:CRM software for MacOS
 * Nominator's rationale: Not sure why it is hyphenated. I've never seen "CRM-software" hyphenated before.  Compare with Category:CRM software companies, for example. B (talk) 14:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Merge to Category:Customer relationship management software and Category:Business software for MacOS, this is a very narrow intersection. (Rename per nom if kept.) Marcocapelle (talk) 17:29, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:CRM software for MacOS. It has three elements. --Glenn (talk) 18:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Merge Only 2 members. Also, if renamed, it should be Category:CRM software for macOS (lowercase m). –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:11, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per WP:Smallcat --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 19:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Relief workers in Noakhali
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:28, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting relief workers in noakhali


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, based on reading of the articles this does not seem to be a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:12, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Noakhali genocide was an internationally recognized incident. Many eminent people from all over British India went there for rescuing the forcibly converted victims and providing food & shelter to the survivors whose homes were destroyed and had become refugees. Some of the relief workers wrote memoirs on their experiences which were later published as books. However, the fact that they went for relief work may not have been described properly in their individual articles. In such case, their individual articles could be updated, rather than deleting the category. BengaliHindu (talk) 12:56, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Even if some information about this topic would be added to the biography articles, would it really define these persons? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:24, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete per NONDEF. The category text ("The page contains the list of people who took part in relief work after the Noakhali riots ...") and that it's been added to articles (e.g. Mahatma Gandhi) that don't mention it suggest a misunderstanding of categorization. DexDor(talk) 20:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete We usually see WP:PERFCAT with actors and soldiers, but this is one for relief workers. Not defining and would create category clutter if we grouped them for every hurricane, civil disorder, etc. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Listify in main article. I checked 3 articles and only in the third Ashoka Gupta did I find any explicit mention of the riots.  This has the feel of a WP:PERFCAT.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:03, 1 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject South America projects
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 13:26, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:WikiProject South America projects to Category:South America-related WikiProjects
 * Propose renaming Category:WikiProject Central America projects to Category:Central America-related WikiProjects
 * Nominator's rationale: To distinguish the two categories from Category:WikiProject South America and Category:WikiProject Central America respectively—this at the moment causes two category cycles. Renaming would make it similar to Category:North America-related WikiProjects. —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:40, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Support Reads better to me and fits the pattern. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Ahl al-Kisa
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:35, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ahl al-kisa


 * Propose deleting ahl al-bayt


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, based on the articles in these categories these do not seem to be defining characteristics. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:43, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Support Both These are very well developed Islamic articles and they don't seem to emphasize either: for Ahl al-Kisa, 1 in the lede, 3 mention it in passing, and 1 not at all; for Ahl al-Bayt it's 2, 4, 6. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Mega Man (Original Series)
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge considering that there have been no major objections to the proposal.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:09, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mega man (original series)


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category. Essentially duplicates the parent category sans a few games. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:56, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * If not kept, merge to Category:Mega Man games. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Japanese cooking tools
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 19:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Japanese cooking tools to Category:Japanese food preparation utensils
 * Nominator's rationale: Cooking and food preparation may not be perfect synonyms, but the members of either category can be fairly called "cooking tools" or "food preparation utensils". For consistency with the sister categories I recommend we up-merge to Category:Japanese food preparation utensils. BenKuykendall (talk) 18:06, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Support per nom and please also nominate Category:Cooking tools by country and the Mexican sibling category. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Science Visual Novel
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Science Adventure. (non-admin closure) Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 16:35, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Science Visual Novel to Category:Science Adventure
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT: The category contains only two items, of which one, Anonymous;Code, is an unreleased game not planned to be released until about one year from now. If the SVN sub-series does grow, it will still be years until we have even a third article. As such, it makes sense to upmerge to the category for the parent series. AlexandraIDV 07:15, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, and based on the article I cannot detect how this is a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Mammoth Trilogy
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:36, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mammoth trilogy


 * Nominator's rationale: The category contains the main article The Mammoth Trilogy and three redirects (the names of the books) to the same article. The article is already properly categorized so no merging would be required. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:09, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete for Now With no objection to recreating if we get up to 4 articles. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:MediaWiki administrators
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:MediaWiki.org administrators. Also noting that the associated userbox, Template:User admin MediaWiki.org, uses .org. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 08:17, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:MediaWiki administrators to Category:MediaWiki.org administrators
 * Nominator's rationale: The current name is ambiguous, since the term "MediaWiki" refers not only to the MediaWiki.org website but also to the software the website is documenting. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:09, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I'd support this rename. --Izno (talk) 02:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


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