Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 6



Category:Records by Starmania participants

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 17:58, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting records by starmania participants


 * Nominator's rationale: Trivial classification. At best listify'. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:49, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, category based on a non-defining characteristic. Even listification seems unnecessary to me. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 11:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Kiev-Sviatoshyn Raion

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 19:04, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose moving Category:Kiev-Sviatoshyn Raion to Category:Kyiv-Sviatoshyn Raion, with four subcategories


 * Category:People from Kiev-Sviatoshyn Raion to Category:People from Kyiv-Sviatoshyn Raion
 * Category:Sport in Kiev-Sviatoshyn Raion to Category:Sport in Kyiv-Sviatoshyn Raion
 * Category:Football clubs in Kiev-Sviatoshyn Raion to Category:Football clubs in Kyiv-Sviatoshyn Raion
 * Category:Villages in Kiev-Sviatoshyn Raion to Category:Villages in Kyiv-Sviatoshyn Raion


 * Nominator's rationale: To match main articles after move of Kyiv and Kyiv Oblast. —Michael Z. 19:50, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support - per nom and also Kyiv-Sviatoshyn Raion is an extant regional district, and the article is titled Kyiv-Sviatoshyn Raion, so the WP:EPONYMOUS category should have the same title with the same spelling, and all the child categories should match the parent. Although Kyiv is a city and not a country, we should follow the guidance of WP:CATNAME: (bold in original). The name of the city/district should also appear as it does in the name of the article about that city/district. Anything else would be confusing to the reader. (And I don't understand why a speedy move would be opposed; seems obvious and indisputable, as an eponoymous category.) Lev!vich 16:01, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support for consistency with earlier renames. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination, Lev!vich and Marcocapelle. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:23, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination, Lev!vich et al. Oculi (talk) 00:46, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per Kyiv-Sviatoshyn Raion but Procedural oppose untagged subcategories. Place Clichy (talk) 11:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Procedural oppose for all subcategories as none of them is tagged as required by WP:CFD. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:33, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Starzoner (talk) 21:18, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * SUBCATEGORIES NOW TAGGED Timrollpickering (talk) 20:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Kiev Metro

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 19:05, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Kiev Metro to Category:Kyiv Metro, and subcategories


 * Category:Kiev Metro lines to Category:Kyiv Metro lines
 * Category:Kiev Metro stations to Category:Kyiv Metro stations
 * Category:Proposed or under construction Kiev Metro stations to Category:Proposed or under construction Kyiv Metro stations
 * Category:Kiev Metro templates to Category:Kyiv Metro templates


 * Nominator's rationale: After move of top-level main article Kiev→Kyiv, and recently moved main article’s title Kiev Metro→Kyiv Metro, and all subcategories’ and contained articles’ titles. —Michael Z. 19:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support - per nom and also Kyiv Metro is an extant metro system, and the article is titled Kyiv Metro, so the WP:EPONYMOUS category should have the same title with the same spelling, and all the child categories should match the parent. Although Kyiv is a city and not a country, we should follow the guidance of WP:CATNAME: (bold in original). The name of the city/metro should also appear as it does in the name of the article about that city/metro. Anything else would be confusing to the reader. (And I don't understand why a speedy would be opposed; seems obvious and indisputable, as an eponoymous category.) Lev!vich 16:01, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support for consistency with earlier renames. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination, Lev!vich and Marcocapelle. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:22, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination, Lev!vich et al. Oculi (talk) 00:47, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per Kyiv Metro but Procedural oppose untagged categories. Place Clichy (talk) 11:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Procedural oppose for all subcategories as none of them is tagged as required by WP:CFD. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:33, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Starzoner (talk) 21:18, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * SUBCATEGORIES NOW TAGGED Timrollpickering (talk) 20:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Kiev Oblast

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 * The result of the discussion was: } rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:22, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Kiev Oblast to Category:Kyiv Oblast, and subcategories

Category:Kiev Governorate Category:Kiev Governorate (1708–1764)‎
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Kiev Oblast to Category:Buildings and structures in Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Museums in Kiev Oblast to Category:Museums in Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Economy of Kiev Oblast to Category:Economy of Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Companies based in Kiev Oblast to Category:Companies based in Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:State companies based in Kiev Oblast to Category:State companies based in Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Football clubs in Kiev Oblast to Category:Football clubs in Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Geography of Kiev Oblast to Category:Geography of Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Populated places in Kiev Oblast to Category:Populated places in Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Urban-type settlements in Kiev Oblast to Category:Urban-type settlements in Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Villages in Kiev Oblast to Category:Villages in Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Cities in Kiev Oblast to Category:Cities in Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Raions of Kiev Oblast to Category:Raions of Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Rivers of Kiev Oblast to Category:Rivers of Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Kiev Oblast geography stubs to Category:Kyiv Oblast geography stubs
 * Category:Governors of Kiev Oblast to Category:Governors of Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Organizations based in Kiev Oblast to Category:Organizations based in Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:People from Kiev Oblast to Category:People from Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:People from Rokytne Raion, Kiev Oblast to Category:People from Rokytne Raion, Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Railway stations in Kiev Oblast to Category:Railway stations in Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Sport in Kiev Oblast to Category:Sport in Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Football clubs in Kiev Oblast‎ to Category:Football clubs in Kyiv Oblast‎
 * Category:Kiev Oblast Football Championship to Category:Kyiv Oblast Football Championship
 * Category:Sports venues in Kiev Oblast to Category:Sports venues in Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:Tourist attractions in Kiev Oblast to Category:Tourist attractions in Kyiv Oblast
 * Category:History of Kiev Oblast to Category:History of Kyiv Oblast, but not these two subcategories which should wait for discussion ontalk:Kyiv regarding “historical articles”
 * Nominator's rationale: To match main article title Kyiv Oblast, after RM was closed early with full consensus. (earlier discussion) —Michael Z. 19:05, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support - per nom and also Kyiv Oblast is an extant sub-national region, and the article is titled Kyiv Oblast (as are the sub-articles, e.g. Administrative divisions of Kyiv Oblast), so the WP:EPONYMOUS category should have the same title with the same spelling, and all the child categories should match the parent. Although Kyiv Oblast is a region and not a country, we should follow the guidance of WP:CATNAME: (bold in original). The name of the region category should also appear as it does in the name of the article about that region. Anything else would be confusing to the reader. (And I don't understand why a speedy move would be opposed; seems obvious and indisputable, as an eponoymous category.) Lev!vich 16:01, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support for consistency with earlier renames. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination, Lev!vich and Marcocapelle. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:21, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination, Lev!vich et al. (Some of the subcats are not tagged.) Oculi (talk) 00:49, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support first category only per Kyiv Oblast, Procedural oppose all other categories as untagged. Place Clichy (talk) 11:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Why don’t you help be doing this tagging that’s so important to you then, instead of continually opposing moves no one in the world including you actually opposes? —Michael Z. 13:41, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, Wikipedia is a volunteer service. I don't really find enough time to do things that are important to my eyes, I therefore have even less time for yours. I did however try to point you to WP:CFD and follow the short but necessary steps in order to have the categories renamed (letting aside that not all occurrences of "Kiev" have to be renamed). Place Clichy (talk) 15:39, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Your time? What about our time? You're wasting my time and the time of other volunteers by opposing moves that are no-brainers. These should have been done on a speedy basis. Either articulate an actual opposition argument or please get out of the way. "Procedural oppose" of the child categories contradicts WP:NOTBURO. Because the article is at Kyiv Oblast, all the Kyiv Oblast categories should obviously use the same spelling. Lev!vich 16:16, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, the guideline you cite also says “there is no deadline.” We can let this sit in discussion until we all reach a consensus that there is a wp:SNOWBALL’s chance these won’t be renamed.
 * This obstruction seems completely pointless, and I am doubting that your unexplained objections are a good-faith effort toward anything of value. In fact, you expressed your disrespect for the consensus on the original RM when you first piped up at a Kyiv-related discussion: The latest RM that resulted in renaming the article about the city to Kyiv is far, far, very far from showing a clear and over-reaching consensus. . . . As the consensus is weak and was fought for years about the name of the city, and per the examples above, imho it does not extends to other entities. If you intend to accomplish anything other than disruption, please explain what it is. Or don’t. We’re making an encyclopedia anyway. —Michael Z. 17:30, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy or not, categories have to be tagged before being renamed. I'm only trying to help you by pointing you to the most efficient process in this case, in the spirit of making you win time rather than lose it. The rest of the arguments are getting too personal... you did not seem to have shown much respect either for the numerous RM over the years which resulted in a long-standing consensus towards Kiev on the 15 pages of archives at Talk:Kyiv/naming, by bringing up the topic again and again and again. Place Clichy (talk) 10:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The rest of the arguments are too personal, so let me tell you what’s wrong with your attitude – Nice. But unfair. I was an editor during all thirteen move requests. As far as I can tell from the archive, I opposed the first, argued against one or two others, sat most of them out, and I supported the last one. I participated in discussions. I opposed a “moratorium” on moves that was not supported by a clear consensus, and I believe was abused by a few overenthusiastic editors to stifle discussion when it was needed most. I believe my view was vindicated when the decision was finally rendered over eight months later. I respect Wikipedia and its guidelines – even good arguments that the dated spelling may still be appropriate in some places – but I do not respect blind obstruction. “Trying to help”? You have forced speedy CFDs to discussion, for no reason. —Michael Z. 17:36, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Place Clichy is fully entitled to their procedural oppose and there is a serious risk that the nomination will not be closed, or closed as no consensus, if nearly all categories remain untagged. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Procedural oppose for all subcategories (except (Category:Economy of Kiev Oblast, Category:Companies based in Kiev Oblast, Category:State companies based in Kiev Oblast and Category:People from Kiev Oblast) as they were not tagged as required by WP:CFD. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:37, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Starzoner (talk) 21:18, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * SUBCATEGORIES NOW TAGGED Timrollpickering (talk) 20:57, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. The only article in category is 2019 Football Championship of Kyiv Oblast, so this should be renamed to . Armbrust The Homunculus 10:29, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds like an improvement. —Michael Z. 14:56, 14 October 2020 (UTC) But look at its many siblings in . For wp:CONSISTENCY in title pattern, I suggest a separate move request for all those cats. For consistency in this oblast’s category tree, let’s complete this move as it stands. —Michael Z. 17:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Shevchenkivskyi District (Kiev)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Shevchenkivskyi District, Kyiv. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:28, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Shevchenkivskyi District (Kiev) to Category:Shevchenkivskyi District (Kyiv)


 * Nominator's rationale: After move of top-level main article Kiev→Kyiv, and for consistency with main article’s title, all parent categories’ titles, and all other contained articles’ titles. —Michael Z. 18:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support move to Category:Shevchenkivskyi District, Kyiv - per nom and also Shevchenkivskyi District is an extant district, and the article is titled Shevchenkivskyi District, Kyiv, so the WP:EPONYMOUS category should have the same title with the same spelling, and all the child categories should match the parent. Additionally, WP:CATNAME provides, so the category should match the article for that reason. Finally, although Kyiv is a city and not a country, we should follow the guidance of WP:CATNAME: (bold in original). The name of the city disambiguator of the district category should also appear as it does in the names of the articles about that district and city. Anything else would be confusing to the reader. (And I don't understand why a speedy moved would be opposed; seems obvious and indisputable, as an eponoymous category, and as a disambiguated category.) Lev!vich 16:01, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I’ll fully support whichever disambiguation format is preferred by the guidelines, plus we should ensure consistency in this category tree and in others. —Michael Z. 19:56, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support for consistency with earlier renames. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination, Lev!vich and Marcocapelle. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:20, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support move to Category:Shevchenkivskyi District, Kyiv - per Levivich and Shevchenkivskyi District, Kyiv. Oculi (talk) 00:52, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per Shevchenkivskyi District, Kyiv, with a slight preference for parenthetical disambiguation. Place Clichy (talk) 11:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Starzoner (talk) 21:18, 11 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Podilskyi District (Kiev)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. MER-C 18:55, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Podilskyi District (Kiev) to Category:Podilskyi District
 * Nominator's rationale: Remove unnecessary disambiguation for consistency with main article’s title. Alternatively, move to Category:Podilskyi District (Kyiv), after move of top-level main article Kiev→Kyiv, for consistency with parent category’s and contained articles’ titles. —Michael Z. 18:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support move to Category:Podilskyi District - per nom. Podilskyi District is an extant district, and the article is titled Podilskyi District. The article is not disambiguated so the category needn't be. (Why wasn't this done speedy? Seems obvious and indisputable that if the article isn't disambiguated, the category shouldn't be either.) Lev!vich 16:01, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support for consistency with earlier renames. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination, Lev!vich and Marcocapelle. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:19, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination, Lev!vich et al. Oculi (talk) 00:53, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Starzoner (talk) 21:18, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per main article name. Place Clichy (talk) 10:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Dniprovskyi District (Kiev)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Dniprovskyi District, Kyiv. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Dniprovskyi District (Kiev) to Category:Dniprovskyi District (Kyiv)
 * Nominator's rationale: After move of Kiev→Kyiv, and for consistency with main article’s title, parent category’s title, and all other contained articles’ titles. —Michael Z. 18:38, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support move to Category:Dniprovskyi District, Kyiv - per nom and also Dniprovskyi District is an extant district, and the article is titled Dniprovskyi District, Kyiv, so the WP:EPONYMOUS category should have the same title with the same spelling, and all the child categories should match the parent. Additionally, WP:CATNAME provides, so the category should match the article for that reason. Finally, although Kyiv is a city and not a country, we should follow the guidance of WP:CATNAME: (bold in original). The name of the city disambiguator of the district category should also appear as it does in the names of the articles about that district and city. Anything else would be confusing to the reader. (And I don't understand why a speedy moved would be opposed; seems obvious and indisputable, as an eponoymous category, and as a disambiguated category.) Lev!vich 16:01, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I’ll fully support whichever disambiguation format is preferred by the guidelines, plus we should ensure consistency in this category tree and in others. —Michael Z. 19:56, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support for consistency with earlier renames. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination, Lev!vich and Marcocapelle. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:15, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support move to Category:Dniprovskyi District, Kyiv - per Levivich and Dniprovskyi District, Kyiv. Oculi (talk) 00:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Starzoner (talk) 21:18, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per Dniprovskyi District, Kyiv, with a slight preference for parenthetical disambiguation. Place Clichy (talk) 10:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Whitesnake remix albums
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Category:Wikipedians in

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:19, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians in


 * Nominator's rationale: This category consists of Wikipedians from various locations. Meaningless or all-inclusive user category. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:32, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:53, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no point deleting it until a solution is found at Template_talk:Infobox_Wikipedia_user. Once that problem is fixed, this category will become empty. Until then, it assists in tracing the discussion. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:22, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete because (a) it introduced a bug to a highly visible and popular template, (b) the category itself is basically pointless, and (c) its creator had no objection to deleting it (back in June).  History DMZ  ( talk )+( ping )  08:48, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:19, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish slave owners

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 17:58, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jewish slave owners


 * Nominator's rationale: Identical to my rationale for Category:Jewish slave traders. Unencyclopedic, tendentious, fails WP:OCEGRS. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:06, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note. I have posted a neutrally-worded notice about this nom and that for Category:Jewish slave traders at WikiProject Judaism. I don't believe that this is inappropriate WP:CANVASSING, but am open to a reprimand if so. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:59, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * you may use Cfd notice, which has been worded for this purpose. Place Clichy (talk) 11:49, 10 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep they are described by their ethnicity in reliable sources and Wikipedia has other categories for Category:Jews by occupation such as Category:Jewish scientists and Category:Jewish merchants. Individuals such as Aaron Lopez, for instance often had changing involvement with different states: born in Portugal, became involved with the English and then was involved in the Americas. The Sephardic merchants of the age of slavery are treated in academic sources as a distinctive class or group. We also have other ethnic categories for slave traders and owners such as Category:Arab slave owners, Category:African slave owners, Category:Maltese slave owners, etc. No reason Jews should be any different or white-washed from this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Torchist (talk • contribs)
 * May I respectfully suggest you to have a look at our guidelines WP:EGRS and WP:OCEGRS? The fact that Aaron Lopez was, a the same time, a Jew and a slave owner does not seem to indicate any defining link between the two. To follow your comparison about Arabs, Africans and Maltese, I also believe that a category about Hebrew slave owners would be eligible if it concentrated on ancient Hebrews at the time when they practiced slavery. Place Clichy (talk) 11:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and per discussion further down on this page. Slave owner is not an occupation, by the way. Aaron Lopez is not a member of this category, by the way. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:OCEGRS and being a slave-owner is not an "occupation" any more than owning some other property; also, I question the notability factor: are these folks notable because they were Jewish and owned slaves or was either trait incidental to their claims to fame? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:22, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I am not sure being a slave owner is encyclopaedical, but the intersection with an ethnicity surely isn't. Debresser (talk) 23:32, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 11:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with Torchist that categories by ethnicity are defining. Dimadick (talk) 15:10, 11 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Space WikiProjects

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 18:01, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Space WikiProjects to Category:Outer space WikiProjects
 * Nominator's rationale: Sounds better, since "space" is ambiguous. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 14:18, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. We also have Category:Outer space. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:56, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish slave traders

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 17:59, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jewish slave traders


 * Nominator's rationale: A tendentious, questionably encyclopedic category. We do not have Category:Christian slave traders, Category:Muslim slave traders, Category:Hindu slave traders, etc. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 04:25, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note. I have posted a neutrally-worded notice about this nom and that for Category:Jewish slave owners at WikiProject Judaism. I don't believe that this is inappropriate WP:CANVASSING, but am open to a reprimand if so. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 16:00, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The category is also very offensive. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:46, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OCEGRS, unrelated intersection with ethnicity and religion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep they are described by their ethnicity in reliable sources and Wikipedia has other categories for Category:Jews by occupation such as Category:Jewish scientists and Category:Jewish merchants. Individuals such as Aaron Lopez, for instance often had changing involvement with different states: born in Portugal, became involved with the English and then was involved in the Americas. The Sephardic merchants of the age of slavery are treated in academic sources as a distinctive class or group: examples of these treatments are works such as "Jews, Slaves, and the Slave Trade" (1998) by Eli Faber and "Jews and the American Slave Trade" by Saul S. Friedman (1998). We also have other ethnic categories for slave traders and owners such as Category:Arab slave owners, Category:African slave owners, Category:Maltese slave owners, etc. No reason Jews should be any different or white-washed from this. Torchist (talk) 16:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Eli Faber countered the suggestion that slave trade was more than proportionally dominated by Jews so that supports deletion of the category. Aaron Lopez can simply be categorized as an American slave trader. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:40, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You're arguing something completely different here. Whether they "dominated" it or not, there were Jewish slave traders and owners and specific academic treatments have been authored about them (such as by Faber) which cover the topic of Jewish slave and owners and traders as specifically Jewish (just as there are of Arabs and Africans who owned slaved). The United States only existed for a brief time when Lopez lived and was a slave trader, he also lived in Portugal, Britain, etc (he is just one example of many with a similar complex situation). We have biographical articles about some of these people, there is no less reason to have a Wikipedia category for them than there is for Arab slave traders. Torchist (talk) 17:33, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - there has been a lot of talk about the topic Jews and the American Slave Trade, and while most if not all respectable academics say that the role Jews played in the slave trade is minimal at best, that does not negate the coverage this subject has received. I agree with the nominator that it would be odd if any other category was created with the intersection of religion and being a slave trader,but at the same time we have categories intersecting being Jewish with other occupations that are not found with any other religion. Currently I feel that the rational for deletion is simply that some people might find it offensive, and per WP:IDONTLIKEIT and WP:NOTCENSORED I don't feel its a valid argument. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 15:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete were any of these folks notable because they were both Jews and slave traders, or merely they were slave traders who happened to be Jews? i.e., if they had been only slave traders they wouldn't have been notable because other religions acquiesced in slave trading while Judaism somehow opposed it? No evidence has come to light to support that concept, so this is an arbitrary combination somehow dividing slave traders by the religion they held is arbitrary. This isn't an WP:IDONTLIKEIT and WP:NOTCENSORED issue as discussed above. Because our consensus is that categorization of bad behavior by race/religion/ethnicity is arbitrary. WP:OCEGRS. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Looks like a non-notable intersection of an ethnicity and an occupation. Debresser (talk) 23:31, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 11:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as an unneeded cross-categorisation & non-defining. --K.e.coffman (talk) 18:29, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with Torchist that categorization by ethnicity is defining. Dimadick (talk) 15:13, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Many of the entries are imprecise (not Jewish, not slave traders). The category itself is not needed and non-defining. antisemitic texts written by the Nation of Islam, as well as a very small set of scholarly rebuttals (which refute this being of any significance), are not the basis for a category, for the same reason Category:Jewish bloodsuckers is illegitimate, even though one could possibly populate it.--Astral Leap (talk) 08:57, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-defining cross-categorisation that serves no legitimate purpose.BD Mason (talk) 05:37, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Haitian superheroes

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 18:02, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Haitian superheroes to Category:Fictional Haitian people
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article in cat JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 04:03, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:45, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. That also applies to the sibling categories below. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Argentine superheroes

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 18:03, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Argentine superheroes to Category:Latin American superheroes
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article in the category, JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 04:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Peruvian superheroes

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 18:03, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Peruvian superheroes to Category:Latin American superheroes
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article in the category. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 04:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - it appears that this category has been emptied during the course of this CfD. Whether the outcme is merge or not, this should not have happened. Grutness... wha?   16:05, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * SpinnerLaserzthe2nd seems to be the culprit. Oculi (talk) 17:23, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * :( Grutness... wha?   05:44, 7 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Venezuelan superheroes
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 18:03, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Venezuelan superheroes to Category:Latin American superheroes
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article in the category. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 04:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - it appears that this category has been emptied during the course of this CfD. Whether the outcme is merge or not, this should not have happened. Grutness... wha?   16:05, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Tibetan superheroes
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; merge one article (which was restored) to Category:Fictional Tibetan people. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:31, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tibetan superheroes


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article in category. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 04:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Fictional Tibetan people SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:43, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Czech superheroes
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; merge one article to Category:Fictional Czech people. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting czech superheroes


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article in the category JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 04:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Fictional Czech people SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Colombian superheroes
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 18:04, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Colombian superheroes to Category:Latin American superheroes
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 2 articles in the category. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 03:59, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - it appears that this category has been emptied during the course of this CfD. Whether the outcme is merge or not, this should not have happened. Grutness... wha?   16:05, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Mexican children's animated superhero television series
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 18:00, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mexican children's animated superhero television series


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article in the category. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 03:58, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and for now. There is not a lot of animated superhero shows from Mexico. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:53, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Hong Kong superheroes
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 18:04, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Hong Kong superheroes to Category:Fictional Hong Kong people
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article in the category. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 03:58, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - it appears that this category has been emptied during the course of this CfD. Whether the outcme is merge or not, this should not have happened. Grutness... wha?   16:05, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Guatemalan superheroes
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 18:05, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Guatemalan superheroes to Category:Latin American superheroes
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article in the category. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 03:55, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 05:18, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - it appears that this category has been emptied during the course of this CfD. Whether the outcme is merge or not, this should not have happened. Grutness... wha?   16:05, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Dominican Republic superheroes
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:33, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dominican republic superheroes


 * Nominator's rationale: Neither of the characters in the article are Dominican, but rather Americans of Dominican descent. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 03:53, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Latin American superheroes SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:43, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
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Category:3d gameplay wargames
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