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Category:1638 murders in the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:34, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1638 murders in the United States to Category:17th-century murder and Category:1638 crimes
 * Nominator's rationale: anachronistic WP:SMALLCAT.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:56, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Alternative rename to category:1638 murders in the Thirteen Colonies as part of the Thirteen colonies tree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greyshark09 (talk • contribs) 12:56, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Does not sound like a good idea per WP:SMALLCAT, i.e. not until we have several murder articles per year in the Thirteen Colonies. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:13, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Never likely to be any more articles. Rathfelder (talk) 22:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Per WP:smallcat concerns revising target to category:17th century murders in the Thirteen Colonies.GreyShark (dibra) 09:44, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:American propagandists

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:35, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american propagandists


 * Nominator's rationale: Coatrack for pushing a political POV in BLPs, most of the entries are better described as conspiracy theorists rather than propagandists. Guy Macon (talk) 19:29, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support, category is based on a non-defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:09, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-defining, contentious label. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 13:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:1989 in East Berlin

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Category:1989 in East Berlin contains only one page, and it is is the only subcat of Category:Years in East Berlin.
 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. MER-C 18:32, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1989 in East Berlin to Category:1989 in Berlin and Category:1980s in East Berlin and Category:1989 in East Germany
 * Propose deleting Category:Years in East Berlin
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT.
 * There may be enough content to populate Category:Decades in East Berlin (tho the categories are currently thin), but there's not enough for by-year. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:48, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom but shouldn't it also be merged to Category:1989 in Berlin? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:17, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed it should, @Marcocapelle. That's why the nomination proposes that.  --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:58, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Apparently my eyes did not do well yesterday. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Related discussion: WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 9. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:48, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Tested positive in White House COVID-19 outbreak

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:35, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tested positive in white house covid-19 outbreak


 * Nominator's rationale: Not WP:CATDEFINING. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:44, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * delete per nom. intelatitalk 17:23, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:09, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as creator of category. This probably raises BLP issues, I shouldn't have created it. Feoffer (talk) 18:09, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. We need to be extra cautious about revealing medical information in BLPs. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:31, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NONDEF. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 23:04, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per creator's comments above. Grutness... wha?   01:02, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment There are two further sub-cats along the same line: Category:Symptomatic in White House COVID-19 outbreak and Category:Hospitalized in White House COVID-19 outbreak.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 06:59, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above --intelatitalk 13:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This is not really a BLP problem, since the identities of these people are sourced. But we don't have a category tree for people who merely tested positive for a disease. Dimadick (talk) 15:45, 11 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Exposed in White House COVID-19 outbreak

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:35, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting exposed in white house covid-19 outbreak


 * Nominator's rationale: Not WP:CATDEFINING. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:44, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. -intelatitalk 17:23, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as creator of category. This probably raises BLP issues, I shouldn't have created it. Feoffer (talk) 18:09, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:10, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. We need to be extra cautious about revealing medical information in BLPs. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:31, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NONDEF. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 23:04, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per creator's comments above. Grutness... wha?   01:02, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per nom and WP:BLP concerns as well. Arbor to SJ (talk) 22:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete No such category tree about people exposed to a disease. Dimadick (talk) 15:46, 11 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:National Basketball Players Association presidents

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 18:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:National Basketball Players Association presidents to Category:National Basketball Players Association people
 * Nominator's rationale: I want this renamed so it can fit the caliber for all notable positions in the trade union such as Vice presidents. It can cover a broader spectrum of pages. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 15:23, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose Renaming to generic people risks this category including all members, duplicating Category:NBA players' association current and former members, which was deleted. Limiting to presidents is consistent with other subcategories at Category:Leaders of American trade unions.—Bagumba (talk) 15:44, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose Renaming as proposed. Would Category:Leaders of National Basketball Players Association be acceptable as an alternative?--intelatitalk 17:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Rather than renaming it, let's keep this category and create the people category for the larger group of non-presidents whose notability is in part derived from their position in the NBPA. This can be a sub-category of that group.--User:Namiba 18:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Mind WP:OCASSOC though. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose The suggested rename would expand the scope to every member of the National Basketball Players Association. Dimadick (talk) 15:48, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose as unnecessary over-categorization. 71.56.244.35 (talk) 02:04, 15 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Festivals established in 212 BC

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge the second one to Category:6th-century establishments, the others as nominated/revised. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:56, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging:
 * Category:Festivals established in 212 BC to Category:210s BC establishments
 * next three added later, at  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:56, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Category:Festivals established in 539 to Category:560s establishments Category:539 establishments
 * Category:Festivals established in 869 to Category:869 establishments
 * Category:Festivals established in 970 to Category:870s establishments Category:970 establishments
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:43, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge Per nom. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 15:24, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have added three more single-item categories (539, 869 and 970). Sorry for leaving it until after  had voted; they may wish to review their !vote after the additions. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:58, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:14, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose Why would we merge a festival established in the 530s to a 560s category? Dimadick (talk) 15:50, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That must be a mistake. I took the liberty to correct it. I hope you are okay with that. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was an error. Thanks for spotting it, @Dimadick, and to Marcocapelle for the fix. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:08, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that the 970 establishment is nominated to merging into an 870s category, off by a century. Dimadick (talk) 20:11, 11 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Regarding the 539 one, while reading the article it appears that both year and decade are too precise. The article should be moved to Category:6th-century establishments. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:17, 11 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Railroad regulation

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:41, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Railroad regulation to Category:Rail regulation
 * Nominator's rationale: For uniformity with other sub categories in Category:Rail transport. Shyamsunder (talk) 09:40, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Grutness... wha?   01:01, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 12:11, 10 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who like Cocotama

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete the ones that contain only a template; no consensus on those that contain one editor only, but they could be re-nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:39, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * (i) Categories that SpinnerLaserzthe2nd has joined since this nomination
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who like cocotama
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who like kamisama minarai
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who like kira kira happy hirake! cocotama
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who like akazukin chacha
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who like kid vs. kat
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who like captain flamingo
 * (ii) Categories that still contain only a userbox template
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who like jimmy two-shoes
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who like camp lazlo
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who like tugs (tv series)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who read nelson demille
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who read vince flynn
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who read ismail kadare
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in despicable me (franchise) (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who have 3d printers (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in the algeria national football team (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in charleston battery (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in dayton dutch lions (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in fort lauderdale strikers (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in northern virginia royals (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in the puerto rico islanders (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in richmond kickers (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in san antonio scorpions fc (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in wilmington hammerheads (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in são paulo f.c. (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in antigua barracuda fc (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in cavalry fc (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in pacific fc (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in york 9 fc (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in hartlepool united f.c. (added 9 Oct)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in rc strasbourg (added 9 Oct)
 * Nominator's rationale: Following Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 29, here are more categories that only contain unused userboxes, no actual users. Note: I have ensured that the userboxes are in appropriate manga/TV/book fan template categories, so they can be found by that route. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:55, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

However, so long as userboxes exist which populate these categories, it is helpful to have to categories pre-created and populated by these list pages ... because otherwise they flood Special:WantedCategories, wasting the time of the small number of editors who patrol that page. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:10, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all  the ones with only userboxes per nom. No point in categories existing if there are no Wikipedians to categorize. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:36, 8 October 2020 (UTC) (edited * Pppery * it has begun...  23:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC))
 * Keep I was going to use some of them since half are created by me and there are others things that I am interested in. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 14:57, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, why didn't you use them earlier?
 * I have now refactored the nomination to show which categories still currently contain no users. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:45, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete vote unchanged after one editor added themself. The categories are very narrow. They can instead add themself to Category:Wikipedians interested in anime and manga. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * If there is now one editor in the category then I suggest the category should be merged to its parent by genre/sport/etc, e.g. Category:Wikipedians who have 3D printers to Category:Wikipedians interested in technology, by editing the template. If the template's creator or another interested editor later checks how many user pages link to a template, and finds a worthwhile number, then this CFD would not rule out re-creating that category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:53, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:40, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all. I could create (and similar cats for Apple II, TRS-80, etc.) and  (and similar cats for fried chicken, ice cream, etc.) and get way more users adding themselves. I can think of about 10,000 things that some people like. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:26, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nominator. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 21:34, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have noticed many categories that are populated solely by User:Dwscomet/Footy Userboxes, which is a show page for User:Dwscomet's userbox creations. User:Taxman1913 likewise is the only editor in many of his categories. I would suggest that such categories could usefully be likewise nominated for merger/deletion. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:53, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There's also a large number of categories in which the only member is User:Buaidh/Join this regional residence category, User:Buaidh/Join this regional identity category, User:Buaidh/Join this ethnicity category, or User:Buaidh/Join this regional project category. I was thinking about nominating them for deletion a while ago, but never got around to it. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * the numner of user categories has grown to absurd level, and needs some systematic cull. (I am collecting stats). 's main activity seems to be creating them prolificly without raegard to the WP:UCAT principle that Categories by ancestry, by religion, by sports fandom etc are badges of identity or affiliation, which are at best of no help to encyclopedic collaboration.  At worst they have potential to be disruptively factionalising.
 * Most of the user categories on Buaidh's lists are populated by templates using Template:Uir as a meta-template. I've modified Template:Uir/sandbox to only populate categories if they actually exist. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:45, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've narrowed my delete !vote to the ones with only userboxes. (I'm neutral on the one's that have been populated since this nomination) * Pppery * it has begun... 23:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Good work, @Pppery. Please can you update the live version? --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 01:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ * Pppery * it has begun... 02:05, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Works by Christo
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:42, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Works by Christo to Category:Works by Christo and Jeanne-Claude
 * Nominator's rationale: The article about Christo is Christo and Jeanne-Claude and every article in the category states that it is by Christo and Jeanne-Claude. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:23, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Films directed by Mo Brothers
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:42, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Films directed by Mo Brothers to Category:Films directed by the Mo Brothers
 * Nominator's rationale: These films were directed by a team of brothers known as the Mo Brothers, not by an individual named Mo Brothers. So I suggest adding "the" to the category name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:10, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support. Obvious improvement. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:56, 10 October 2020 (UTC)


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