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Category:People by university or college in Ukraine

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 09:12, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People by university or college in Ternopil Oblast to Category:People by university or college in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:People by university or college in Sumy Oblast to Category:People by university or college in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:People by university or college in Simferopol to Category:People by university or college in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:People by university or college in Sevastopol to Category:People by university or college in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:People by university or college in Poltava Oblast to Category:People by university or college in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:People by university or college in Odessa Oblast to Category:People by university or college in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:People by university or college in Lviv Oblast to Category:People by university or college in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:People by university or college in Kiev Oblast to Category:People by university or college in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:People by university or college in Khmelnytskyi Oblast to Category:People by university or college in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:People by university or college in Kharkiv Oblast to Category:People by university or college in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:Faculty by university or college in Donetsk Oblast to Category:People by university or college in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:People by university or college in Donetsk Oblast to Category:People by university or college in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:People by university or college in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast to Category:People by university or college in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:People by university or college in Volyn Oblast to Category:People by university or college in Ukraine
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one university or college in most of these Oblasts, apart from Kiev itself, which is not nominated. This is to be taken with yesterday's proposals for Category:Universities and colleges in Ukraine by location  Rathfelder (talk) 21:43, 20 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, unnecessary category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Ukrainian medical doctors

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus, but there is no rationale for the status quo, so this close is no bar to a further nomination. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:55, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ukrainian medical doctors to Category:Ukrainian physicians
 * Nominator's rationale: To align with parent Category:Physicians by nationality and the subcategories Category:Ukrainian women physicians, Category:Ukrainian physicians by century and Category:20th-century Ukrainian physicians. While "medical doctors" is the term used in many English-speaking and British or ex-British countries, this does not apply to the Ukraine. Physician is a much older term than medical doctor, and we have built an enormous category tree on it. We cant use the term doctor because it is ambiguous. Neither "Medical doctors" nor "physician" is a Ukrainian word. Rathfelder (talk) 21:16, 20 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose - this is a reversal of 2015_December_27#Category:Ukrainian_medical_doctors. Oculi (talk) 00:12, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That decision was perverse. There is no reason for Ukraine to be treated differently than other European countries.  There is a perfectly proper reason for treating places differently where "physician" has a more specialised meaning, but that does not apply here.  It would be perfectly logical to use the term "medical doctors" universally, but as that has not been proposed why is it used here?Rathfelder (talk) 16:55, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose. "Medical doctors" is more known term in all post-Soviet states than "physicians". 178.92.145.146 (talk) 13:19, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you produce any evidence of this? If so we should change all the other states and subcategories in line. Rathfelder (talk) 14:20, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- This is an ENGVAR issue.  In UK "physician" is a hospital specialty.  The nom's complaint will be better resolved by renaming the sub-cats to match the present parent.  The general term is doctor, which covers a wide variety of medics.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * MOS:ENGVAR applies in places where English is the language. "Physician" is not used in the British sense in Ukraine. There is no reason to treat Ukraine differently from Poland, Latvia or Hungary. If someone wants to propose changing all the other doctor categories that is fine by me, but treating Ukraine separately makes no sense.  Rathfelder (talk) 22:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename. "Physicians" seems to be the default in categorization, so unless there is some reason to prefer "medical doctors" in Ukraine, it should be "physicians". I haven't seen any such reasons provided here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:26, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * In these articles the subjects are sometimes described as physicians and sometimes as doctors. I see no evidence that the term "Medical doctors" is commonly used in Ukraine. Rathfelder (talk) 21:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The Commons cat is Physicians from Ukraine.Rathfelder (talk) 16:26, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename If there was clear evidence of different usage in Ukraine I would be open to an exception in the spirit of WP:ENGVAR but I have not seen any. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Sport in Peć

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 09:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Peć to Category:Sport in Peja
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D - to match article's name, i.e Peja. Resnjari (talk) 19:47, 20 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per Talk:Peja. blameless  01:10, 24 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:People from Peć

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 09:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People from Peć to Category:People from Peja
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D - to match article's name, i.e Peja Resnjari (talk) 19:41, 20 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per Talk:Peja. blameless  01:11, 24 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Polish heraldic families

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 09:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Polish heraldic families to Category:Polish heraldic clans
 * Nominator's rationale:By discussion regarding Heraldic clan where consensus was reached to name "Heraldic clan" instead of "Heraldic family" and therefore, following consensus, category "Polish heraldic families" should be moved to "Polish heraldic clans" Camdan (talk) 14:21, 20 September 2020 (UTC) started on behalf of the user by User:Synoman Barris
 * I have created the discussion page for you here as requested please add your reason for nomination at the Nominator’s rationale  and replace my signature with yours. Cheers Megan☺️   Talk to the monster  14:23, 20 September 2020 (UTC)


 * support per nom. It was an ovrersight 4 years ago, during the renaming of the article. The category must match its main article. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:26, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It would be also good to change category name "Clan Ostoja" to "Clan of Ostoja" as all other Clan names are spelled "Clan of...".Camdan (talk) 21:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


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Burkinabé sport

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 09:19, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:
 * Category:Burkina Faso sport by year to Category:Burkinabé sport by year
 * Category:1984 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:1984 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:1988 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:1988 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:1992 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:1992 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:1996 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:1996 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:1998 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:1998 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2000 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2000 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2003 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2003 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2004 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2004 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2007 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2007 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2008 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2008 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2009 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2009 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2010 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2010 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2011 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2011 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2012 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2012 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2013 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2013 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2014 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2014 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2015 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2015 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2016 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2016 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2017 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2017 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2019 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2019 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2020 in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2020 in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:Burkina Faso sport by decade to Category:Burkinabé sport by decade
 * Category:1980s in Burkina Faso sport to Category:1980s in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:1990s in Burkina Faso sport to Category:1990s in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2000s in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2000s in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2010s in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2010s in Burkinabé sport
 * Category:2020s in Burkina Faso sport to Category:2020s in Burkinabé sport
 * Nominator's rationale. To align with the "YYYY in CountryAdjectve sport" convention of the subcats of Category:Sports by country and year: Burkinabé is the adjectival form of Burkina Faso (see List of adjectival and demonymic forms for countries and nations; for examples of its usage see e.g. Category:Burkinabé law and Category:Burkinabé culture).
 * Note the decade categories were created to day by me, in keeping with the existing year categories. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 12:46, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

To make them work for now, I did this edit to Module:CountryAdjectiveDemonym/Adjectives. If the categories are renamed as proposed, that hack will need to be reverted. If it is reverted before the bots get to work, everything will update as soon as the pages are moved. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 12:53, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Technical note to closer: these categories are formed by YYYY in nationality sport category header or YYY0s in nationality sport category header. Both templates use lookups for nationality/country match, which is how I spotted the problem here.


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Category:SV Türkgücü-Ataspor München players

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 09:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:SV Türkgücü-Ataspor München players to Category:Türkgücü München players
 * Nominator's rationale: to match club article name Microwave Anarchist (talk) 09:53, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. GiantSnowman 18:16, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Swordsmen
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Category:Explorers program (NASA)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 09:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Explorers program (NASA) to Category:Explorers Program
 * Nominator's rationale: rename to align with article Explorers Program. After capitalization the disambiguator is probably less necessary. The nomination was opposed as speedy.


 * Category:Explorers program (NASA) to Category:Explorers Program – C2D. 1857a (talk) 16:19, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose speedy The current name was chosen in this full discussion, and I don’t think a capitalization change in the main article’s name is enough to overrule that. Armbrust The Homunculus 20:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 20 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Suburbs of Brisbane

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Suburbs of the City of Brisbane. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:42, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Suburbs of Brisbane to Category:Suburbs of City of Brisbane
 * Nominator's rationale: The category groups only the suburbs of City of Brisbane (one of 8 administrative units form metropolis of Brisbane). Category not groups suburbs of other administrative units of metropolis of Brisbane, other administrative units have their own categories - for example: Category:Suburbs of Logan City, Category:Suburbs of Redland City, Category:Suburbs of Moreton Bay Region (see also: List of Brisbane suburbs). Brisbane (metropolis covered 8 administrative units) is not the same than City of Brisbane (part of Brisbane metropolis, one of 8 administrative units). Current name of category incorrectly suggests that it concerns a metropolis of Brisbane, but the category concerns just a part of this metropolis - City of Brisbane. So, current category name is wrong and misleading. Subtropical -man  ( ✉  | en-2 ) 00:33, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * support as per nom. Kerry (talk) 02:22, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * rename to, per normal usage. Grutness... wha?   03:25, 20 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Question. Is anyone able to translate the nomination into English? -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 12:58, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * My English is weak and the topic is complicated due to the use of similar names for two different things... but I decided to simplify my explanation. I hope that now it is understandable :) Subtropical -man  ( ✉  | en-2 ) 21:39, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * To be honest, the explanation is still kinda awful. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 06:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I have a different opinion. My explanation is understandable, this is not good English, but enough. Subtropical -man  ( ✉  | en-2 ) 13:47, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Gentle, BHG. Subtropical-man isn't a native English speaker, and the explanation of the nomination is clear enough to work out. I suspect S-M's English is likely better than your Polish. Grutness... wha?   04:53, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * @Grutness, my nonexistent abilities in Polish would be highly relevant if I tried to start a discussion on Polish Wikipedia. But I don't, so they aren't. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support alt rename to per Grutness. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:22, 10 October 2020 (UTC)


 * your closure is well-intended but it is not going to work, as you do not have access to admin tools to implement the rename and this is too big to process manually. Please revert. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:24, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 22:38, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Oakland Raiders draft navigational boxes

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 09:17, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Oakland Raiders draft navigational boxes to Category:Las Vegas Raiders draft navigational boxes
 * Nominator's rationale: The team recently relocated and changed their name. KingSkyLord (talk &#124; contribs) 00:21, 20 September 2020 (UTC)


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