Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 25



Category:Lordship of Botrun
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 25%23Category:Lordship of Botrun

Category:Roman Catholic Diocese of Lydda and Ramla
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 24%23Category:Roman Catholic Diocese of Lydda and Ramla

Category:Events held virtually due to the COVID-19 pandemic

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete with sub-cats Category:Music events held virtually due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Category:Music awards held virtually due to the COVID-19 pandemic and Category:Concerts held virtually due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Noting that these were part of  Category:Events affected by the COVID-19 pandemic, and will leave that one holding sub-cats only for "cancelled" and "postponed". – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:40, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Events held virtually due to the COVID-19 pandemic to Category:Events modified to use remote or broadcast-only formats due to the COVID-19 pandemic
 * Nominator's rationale: "Virtually" in this particular context is a buzzword. Be more descriptive. ViperSnake151   Talk  19:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete including subcategories, this is a case of recentism. Hopefully within a year we will no longer care about this. The list is sufficient. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I have tagged the three subcategories as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:03, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree here, I don't see how everyone will "no longer care" in a year. Its one thing to say it should be deleted because it is non-defining, but I doubt a lack of interest on the impact of the pandemic is going to happen.★Trekker (talk) 17:40, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep as is. The current name is easy to understand and I feel, quite clear. The fact that most of these events are being held virtually for the first time does, I think, deserve a category, as it IS often a defining feature of that particular event, as compared with others in that series. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * My concern is "virtually" may be suggested to indicate that it is held entirely in a virtual environment (i.e. virtual reality) rather than still have a physical presence, which is accurate for Burning Man but not many of the other examples — where the event is restructured to take place in multiple locations, or hosted from a central location behind closed doors for dissemination via broadcast media/streaming only. ViperSnake151   Talk  04:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Not that rename (if we need it at all). The target is much too much of a mouthful.  Category:Events held on-line only due to the COVID-19 pandemic would be a possibility if we want a change.  However, there is a lot of merit in a delete, as on-line events have become too common to make that a notable characteristic.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all events re-done/reformatted to accommodate some crisis or another is not a good tree to have. To avoid recentism, we'd have to have various categories for things reformatted due to the Crusades, WWI, WWII, Spanish Flu, the Cold War, the Civil War (ours, the UK's, and lots of others'), and the omnipresent reason to reformat stuff: the weather. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete/Keep Name if Kept I don't think that changing a venue for one year (so far) is defining. And I think the proposed name is too wordy. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:10, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Deaths by firearm in Balochistan
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 24%23Category:Deaths by firearm in Balochistan

Category:Fictional murdered people in soap operas

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 15:55, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional murdered people in soap operas


 * Propose deleting fictional murdered people in television


 * Propose deleting fictional murdered people in video games


 * Propose deleting fictional murdered people in literature


 * Propose deleting fictional murdered people in comics


 * Propose deleting fictional murdered people in film


 * Propose deleting fictional murdered people in horror film


 * Nominator's rationale: I can not see how this category is defining. ★Trekker (talk) 17:31, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete all Does not work in works with resurrection or lacking continuity. Most entries barely mention getting murdered, if at all. And these should really be one bulk nomination. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 06:29, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, I took the liberty to merge the nominations. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:05, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete didn't someone dream up a whole season in some soap opera so we never knew if anyone died or not? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Albini (cognomen)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Albini (cognomen) to Category:Postumii Albini
 * Nominator's rationale: Standard to include gente. ★Trekker (talk) 14:25, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose -- It is clear from the main article that there were a lot of people who used the cognomen Albinus, who had other nomens [recte nomina]. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:22, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't allow people to be categorised by having the same name. We only categorize people by family, this category should cover the Postumii Albini because they're the ones who are big enough to have their own child category.★Trekker (talk) 13:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support To indicate which family it covers. Dimadick (talk) 16:40, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, per above, but should link here the WP guideline which says pages cannot be categorized by name alone. Avis11 (talk) 15:19, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * SHAREDNAME.★Trekker (talk) 15:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Valentinian dynasty

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 15:56, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Valentinian dynasty to Category:Valentinianic dynasty
 * Nominator's rationale: Article renamed following sources GPinkerton (talk) 12:36, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename following RM. Could have been speedied. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:49, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Ambusti

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:35, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ambusti to Category:Fabii Ambusti
 * Nominator's rationale: Standard to include gens. ★Trekker (talk) 06:10, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Should be moved to "Fabii Ambusti", not "Fabi Ambusti", since the gentile name, like most Roman gentes, has an i-stem. However, I'm concerned that perhaps this and other categories for a single stirps should be folded back into the parent categories for their gentes.  Very few gentes contain so many articles that they benefit from a decentralized category structure, with only "miscellaneous" members going in the main category—and even where there might be some justification for having a stand-alone categories, I would recommend leaving the entries in both, instead of removing them from the main category.  P Aculeius (talk) 01:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I disagree greatly with that. There is no benefit to having both categories, it only creates overcategorization. Current usage is clean and easy to handle. If a branch is too small to support its own category, it simply won't get one, same as with everything else.★Trekker (talk) 17:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support Clearly indicates which family it covers. Dimadick (talk) 16:39, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Books by Andrew Chapman

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:41, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Books by Andrew Chapman to Category:Books by Andrew Chapman (writer)
 * Nominator's rationale: There is currently no article about this writer, but the current category name is clearly not appropriate since Andrew Chapman redirects to Andrew Grant Chapman, an article about a politician. Other disambiguated forms are at Andrew Chapman (disambiguation). Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 *  Rename per nom. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 14:32, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- This change is probably unnecessary, becasue the politician probably does not write books. Identification of the category with  Andrew Chapman (writer) can be left for a headnote.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename Per WP:C2D and nom. Politicians often do write books and this is creating not only a mismatch with the main article but a conflict. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:09, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


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