Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 26



Category:Film country list navigational boxes

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 * The result of the discussion was: split. MER-C 17:32, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Film country list navigational boxes to Category:Film country list sidebar templates
 * Nominator's rationale: There are 69 templates in this category. Only two are navigational boxes: Template:Film lists by country and Template:Indian film list. The other 67 templates are sidebar templates. —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * is it worth keeping the current category for those two exceptions (if others might be added), or should they be merged into the sole parent Category:Film country navigational boxes? – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:21, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , yes. I think it's worth keeping the current category for those two exceptions and possible future additions. —⁠andrybak (talk) 10:31, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * in that case, split rather than rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I support split as well. I don't remember seeing such a !vote in a CFD before. Learned something new today. —⁠andrybak (talk) 16:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:County highways in DeKalb County, Illinois

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 10:19, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:County highways in DeKalb County, Illinois to Category:County roads in DeKalb County, Illinois
 * Propose renaming Category:County highways in DuPage County, Illinois to Category:County roads in DuPage County, Illinois
 * Propose renaming Category:County highways in Kane County, Illinois to Category:County roads in Kane County, Illinois
 * Nominator's rationale: Since the parent category was renamed as appropriate, these categories (which I mentioned should also be renamed, but were not done) should be renamed. Morriswa (Charlotte Allison) (talk) 21:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


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State supreme court justice categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename all Timrollpickering (talk) 10:20, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:
 * Category:Supreme Court of Alabama justices to Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of Alabama
 * Category:Alaska Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Alaska Supreme Court
 * Category:Arizona Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Arizona Supreme Court
 * Category:Arkansas Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Arkansas Supreme Court
 * Category:Supreme Court of California justices to Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of California
 * Category:Colorado Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Colorado Supreme Court
 * Category:Connecticut Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Connecticut Supreme Court
 * Category:Delaware Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Delaware Supreme Court
 * Category:Florida Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Florida Supreme Court
 * Category:Supreme Court of Georgia (U.S. state) justices to Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of Georgia (U.S. state)
 * Category:Hawaii Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Hawaii Supreme Court
 * Category:Idaho Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Idaho Supreme Court
 * Category:Illinois Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Illinois Supreme Court
 * Category:Indiana Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Indiana Supreme Court
 * Category:Iowa Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Iowa Supreme Court
 * Category:Kansas Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Kansas Supreme Court
 * Category:Kentucky Supreme Court Justices to Category:Justices of the Kentucky Supreme Court
 * Category:Louisiana Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Louisiana Supreme Court
 * Category:Maine Supreme Judicial Court justices to Category:Justices of the Maine Supreme Judicial Court
 * Category:Maryland Court of Appeals judges to Category:Judges of the Maryland Court of Appeals
 * Category:Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court justices to Category:Justices of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court
 * Category:Michigan Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Michigan Supreme Court
 * Category:Minnesota Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Minnesota Supreme Court
 * Category:Mississippi Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Mississippi Supreme Court
 * Category:Supreme Court of Missouri judges to Category:Judges of the Supreme Court of Missouri
 * Category:Montana Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Montana Supreme Court
 * Category:Nebraska Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Nebraska Supreme Court
 * Category:Nevada Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Nevada Supreme Court
 * Category:New Hampshire Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the New Hampshire Supreme Court
 * Category:New Mexico Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the New Mexico Supreme Court
 * Category:New York Court of Appeals judges to Category:Judges of the New York Court of Appeals
 * Category:North Carolina Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the North Carolina Supreme Court
 * Category:North Dakota Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the North Dakota Supreme Court
 * Category:Ohio Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Ohio Supreme Court
 * Category:Oklahoma Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Oklahoma Supreme Court
 * Category:Oregon Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Oregon Supreme Court
 * Category:Supreme Court of Pennsylvania justices to Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania
 * Category:Rhode Island Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Rhode Island Supreme Court
 * Category:South Carolina Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the South Carolina Supreme Court
 * Category:South Dakota Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the South Dakota Supreme Court
 * Category:Tennessee Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Tennessee Supreme Court
 * Category:Texas Court of Criminal Appeals judges to Category:Judges of the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals
 * Category:Texas Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Texas Supreme Court
 * Category:Utah Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Utah Supreme Court
 * Category:Vermont Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Vermont Supreme Court
 * Category:Virginia Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Virginia Supreme Court
 * Category:Washington Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Washington Supreme Court
 * Category:Supreme Court of Appeals of West Virginia justices to Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of Appeals of West Virginia
 * Category:Wisconsin Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Wisconsin Supreme Court
 * Category:Wyoming Supreme Court justices to Category:Justices of the Wyoming Supreme Court

Nominator's rationale: Per the discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 17, I propose renaming all of these to "Justice of the..." construction, which I would assert is the more natural uniform construction to avoid awkward names like the current Category:Supreme Court of Appeals of West Virginia justices and Category:Supreme Court of Georgia (U.S. state) justices. I note that this formulation has already long been in use for all chief justice categories in Category:State supreme court chief justices in the United States by state (e.g. Category:Chief Justices of the Supreme Court of Alabama). BD2412 T 20:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * BD2412 T 20:52, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support by nom. Place Clichy (talk) 22:03, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 22:53, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- This change is creating wholly unnecessary verbosity. The present names are perfectly clear.  Category names should be kept short.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The "verbosity" is necessitated by the awkward and unrealistic construction of several of the titles, which is why Category:Supreme Court of New Jersey justices has already been moved to Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of New Jersey; historically there has also been a question of whether "justices" should be capitalized, which is mooted by a "Justices of..." construction. If this proposal continues on its trajectory to passing, ping me and I'll do the fixes myself.  BD2412  T 15:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I would also point out that we already have dozens of categories at "Justices of the..." constructions for other countries. We also have hundreds of existing categories at "Judges of the..." constructions, not to mention "Presidents of ..." constructions, "Governors of..." constructions, and so on. BD2412  T 18:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The "verbosity" of which Peterkingiron complains is a myth. these renamings will add precisely 6 characters to the category titles: . The shortest current title is 28 characters, and the longest is 48.  So the increase in the length of the titles will be between 12.% and 21.5%, which is trivial. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:32, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. This seems like the best solution to the issue of naming of these categories. It nicely resolves the issue of whether we need to capitalize "Justices" and the categories' meanings are clear, with the court names matching the names of the main articles about the courts. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename all per nominator, to remove the ambiguity of the present titles. Thanks to @BD2412 for taking the time to make this nomination. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:26, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Astronomy image articles
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Category:Arabic writing system

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete which is effectively the same here (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 09:10, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Arabic writing system to Category:Arabic script
 * Nominator's rationale: I think this is a duplicate of Category:Arabic script. Mike Peel (talk) 19:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete as duplicate. The only contents are a subcategory (Category:Romanization of Arabic) that is already in the parent. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 04:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


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Maya (dis)establishments in Guatemala

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:22, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:15th-century BC establishments in Guatemala to Category:15th-century BC establishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:11th-century BC establishments in Guatemala to Category:11th-century BC establishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:10th-century BC establishments in Guatemala to Category:10th-century BC establishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:9th-century BC establishments in Guatemala to Category:9th-century BC establishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:6th-century BC establishments in Guatemala to Category:6th-century BC establishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:5th-century BC disestablishments in Guatemala to Category:5th-century BC disestablishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:4th-century BC establishments in Guatemala to Category:4th-century BC establishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:3rd-century BC disestablishments in Guatemala to Category:3rd-century BC disestablishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:2nd-century BC establishments in Guatemala to Category:2nd-century BC establishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:3rd-century disestablishments in Guatemala to Category:3rd-century disestablishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:5th-century disestablishments in Guatemala to Category:5th-century disestablishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:8th-century disestablishments in Guatemala to Category:8th-century disestablishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:9th-century disestablishments in Guatemala to Category:9th-century disestablishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:10th-century disestablishments in Guatemala to Category:10th-century disestablishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:13th-century disestablishments in Guatemala to Category:13th-century disestablishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:14th-century disestablishments in Guatemala to Category:14th-century disestablishments in the Maya civilization
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, it is not meaningful to have two parallel trees, by modern country and by ancient civilization. Note that the articles are in Category:Maya sites in Guatemala anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:04, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support - reduce anachronism and unify cats.GreyShark (dibra) 20:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support -- This resolves an issue I highlighted on the CfD for the 7th century BC items. However I would question the merits of est/disest trees as there is not enough content for most of these.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair point, but let's solve one problem at a time. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Aviation accidents and incidents with a sole survivor

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 16:05, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting aviation accidents and incidents with a sole survivor


 * Nominator's rationale: Not defining characteristic of a aviation accident. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, trivial characteristic, the list is sufficient. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:59, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: one survivor does not define an aviation accident. ww2censor (talk) 21:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: - essentially coincidental WP:TRIVIA. - Ahunt (talk) 00:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete some people are notable as being the sole survivors of aircraft accidents, the accidents themselves are notable for having a sole survivor. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:39, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


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Years in the Kingdom of Jerusalem

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete/merge Timrollpickering (talk) 16:07, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Years in the Kingdom of Jerusalem
 * Propose deleting Category:Years of the 12th century in the Kingdom of Jerusalem
 * Propose merging Category:1101 in the Kingdom of Jerusalem to Category:1101 in Asia and Category:1100s in the Kingdom of Jerusalem
 * Propose merging Category:1102 in the Kingdom of Jerusalem‎ to Category:1102 in Asia and Category:1100s in the Kingdom of Jerusalem
 * Propose merging Category:1123 in the Kingdom of Jerusalem‎ to Category:1123 in Asia and Category:1120s in the Kingdom of Jerusalem
 * Propose merging Category:1137 in the Kingdom of Jerusalem‎ to Category:1137 in Asia and Category:1130s in the Kingdom of Jerusalem
 * Propose merging Category:1187 in the Kingdom of Jerusalem‎ to Category:1187 in Asia and Category:1180s in the Kingdom of Jerusalem
 * Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per WP:SMALLCAT, the Kingdom of Jerusalem has too little content to have it diffused by year; by decade is fine though. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:53, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:32, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support but second target only. The Asia tree appears to have no other content than the articles in the subject categories and could usefully be deleted.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:34, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There are actually two articles in the subject categories which are not in the Asia categories yet, so I would rather leave it as dual merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Neutral - this is not as obvious as it looks. The question is not whether those categories are too specific to be by year, but whether they would or would not be populated sufficiently. The Kingdom of Jerusalem is well documented, so I'm tending to think that we may well have enough events to classify by year, but i'm not sure. However, one also has to take into account that the Kingdom of Jerusalem is only one of the Crusader Kingdoms in the Levant, while others - county of Tripoli, Principality of Antioch and County of Edessa do not yet have a category tree of their own. Perhaps we should consider a parent category tree "n-year in the Crusader states" for all those and then this could well have an annual resolution.GreyShark (dibra) 20:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Sportspeople from chernihiv

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 16:08, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople from chernihiv to Category:Sportspeople from Chernihiv
 * Nominator's rationale: Proper name - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egghead06 (talk • contribs)


 * Support, obvious capitalization, the nomination could have been listed for speedy rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: not sure if diffusing by city has any value for Ukrainian sportspeople. Also support fixing the capitalization if kept. Place Clichy (talk) 07:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Why should Ukrainian sportspeople be treated differently from Polish or Russian sportspeople? Rathfelder (talk) 22:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Questions about the merits of categories for sportspeople by home city can clearly be raised for any country. The only reason I can imagine to have these categories is diffusion of an overcrowded People from  category, however 1°) in practice these categories can be filled with people for which the link with that city is not defining or unproven (such as having played in a club there for some time) and 2°) this does not seem to be the motivation for Chernihiv as the People from category is not even a parent of the sportspeople category. Place Clichy (talk) 00:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Speediable. Grutness... wha?   03:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Looks as an error. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:58, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Male Sahabah
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Companions of the Prophet per the above renaming Timrollpickering (talk) 16:10, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Male Sahabah to Category:Sahabah (note: the target is nominated for renaming, see two discussions above)
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, we do not have a men's subcategory whenever there is a women's subcategory, and this is not a case where being a man is defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Can you provide some examples for establishing your rationale? Abhishek0831996 (talk) 14:53, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure, Category:Men by occupation contains 35 subcategories while Category:Women by occupation contains more than 150 subcategories. In other words, some 120 occupations only have a women subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:44, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Agree although not an occupation, it is a reason for their notability. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:40, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Sahabah favored by Shias
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:13, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting sahabah favored by shias


 * Propose deleting tabi‘un favored by shias


 * Propose deleting taba‘ at-tabi‘in favored by shias


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, based on the articles that I read it does not seem to be a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep It is known that certain companions (sahaba) of the prophet are viewed from an unfavourable perspective in Shia Islam. This is a key theological issue with respect to the differences between Sunni and Shia Islam; see for instance the Shia view of Umar vs. Sunni view of Umar, or the Shia view of Aisha. Likewise, other companions/figures are more central to Shia Islam, as evident in the Shia view of Ali versus the Sunni view of Ali. AFAIK, it's a pretty clear defining characteristic and cannot be any further obvious.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 13:03, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * With some exceptions (of course Ali is such an exception), hardly any of the articles highlights that these people are favored by Shias, so I am not sure on what basis you conclude that this is a pretty clear defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete who among one group is favored by another group of people is a bad precedent. Category:Presidents favored by BLM, Category:Actors favored by the producers of Star Trek (a way around the Performance Cat ;-), Category:Saints favored by the poor, etc.. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:43, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This does not appear to be defining. It basically WP:OPINIONCAT in reverse; instead of opinions from people it's opinions about people. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Hasan ibn Ali
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Category:African American Benevolent Associations
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:African-American organizations. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:09, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:African American Benevolent Associations to Category:African Americans' rights organizations
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT and we do not have an established category tree for 'benevolent associations'. The three articles in the category are about African American abolitionist organizations which already are in Category:American abolitionist organizations. If the category would be kept, then rename to Category:African American benevolent associations to remove the capitals. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Doubtful -- At least two of the articles seem to be about mutual support organisations for freed black people, not primarily civil rights organisations. That is the nature of a benevolent society.  No doubt the members would be abolitionist in their policy, but was that their prime objective?  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:00, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * If Category:African Americans' rights organizations is a doubtful target, I would suggest merging to Category:African-American organizations instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:25, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Alt Merge to Category:African-American organizations per discussion above. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:13, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Places of Pokhara
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 * The result of the discussion was: split merge into Category:Neighbourhoods in Pokhara, Category:Pokhara and Category:Road junctions in Nepal. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:40, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting places of pokhara


 * Nominator's rationale: Not certain whether this should be deleted, or improved - another category created by enthusiastic new editor, with no parent category such as Category:Pokhara. Pam  D  07:50, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Merge to Category:Neighbourhoods in Pokhara per actual content (see nominations below). Marcocapelle (talk) 08:38, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Support Marcocapelle. These seem to be duplicates.  An upmerge to Neighbourhoods would be inappropriate as it is much too vague in scope.  Whatever is done, the target needs a headnote stating that Pokhara is a city in Nepal.  Contnet of the target should also be purged from the parent Category:Pokhara, which does in fact exist.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Split to Category:Neighbourhoods in Pokhara, Category:Pokhara and new Category:Road junctions in Nepal, as a new sub-cat of Category:Road junctions by country, since the location Pokhara Zero K.M. does not appear to be a neighbourhood, just a landmark junction. Note that Chowks of Pokhara, which literally means junctions, was already merged to Neighbourhoods, see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_10; but at least some of the "Chowk" articles could also be categorised as road junctions. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No objection against a more precise alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:21, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * To simplify this I have now created the road junctions category. This category can now be merged to Category:Neighbourhoods in Pokhara, but please remove Pokhara Zero K.M. as it does not appear to be a neighbourhood, and move Davis Falls up to category:Pokhara. I assume that the rest are in fact neighbourhoods; some do not mention Pokhara, but the page Lekhnath explains that some nearby locations have been merged into Pokhara metropolis. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:08, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Ward of Pokhara
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wards of Pokhara. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:06, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ward of pokhara


 * Nominator's rationale: 1: Title should be "Wards ...", but 2: None of the articles in the category appear to be wards - all are described as being "located in" various wards. Category has been created, with no parent categories, by enthusiastic but very new editor who does not appear to understand how categories work. Pam  D  07:21, 10 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Neighbourhoods in Pokhara per actual content (see nomination below) . Marcocapelle (talk) 08:38, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Struck after later discussion below. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 2 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Note for closer - the editor seems to have used the uncreated ("in" not "on") for 8 articles that appear to be about actual formal wards. I don't know anything about Pokhara and so don't have strong views in general about this, but chowks seem to be loosely-defined "neighbourhoods", whereas wards are the formal subdivisions. The article lists 33 wards in a city of ~400k, so an article for each ward seems just about justifiable, but I'd tend to nuke any of the neighbourhoods/chowks that don't correspond to a formal ward.Le Deluge (talk) 13:57, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The formal wards of Pokhara are numbered rather than named. The articles are about neighbourhoods in the wards. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Presumably those are just working names as a result of the administrative reorganisation following federalisation in 2015 - even entire provinces are still called things like Province No. 5, although some of them like Gandaki Pradesh (formerly Province No. 4) have been renamed. But the names in seem to correspond to the ward names matched against ward numbers in the list at Pokhara, so I assume they are at the very least pencilled in to replace the numbers? Le Deluge (talk) 18:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Note I have just created Category:Ward in Pokhara as a category redirect to Category:Ward of Pokhara. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:21, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Neutral (for now) . This is a bit of a mess. The editor(s) who created these categories don't seem to understand the category system. The contributors at CFD are asking the pertinent questions, but none of the contributors so far (including me) seem to know much about Nepal (let alone Pokhara); we are gleaning what we can, but it's fragmentary.  It's even very clear  whether or not some of the substub articles in these categories are actually wards, and I am also unsure about the reliability of the unsourced list of wards at Pokhara: to what extent are the names synonymous with the numbers?
 * Everyone involved is clearly acting in good faith, but I am wary of any decision in any direction being made on the basis of such hazy knowledge. I see that the nominator has already commented at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nepal about some categorisation ...and I think that this discussion would benefit from a relisting and a call for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nepal. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:39, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Rename to plural Category:Wards of Pokhara. The category contents may have changed since it was originally nominated. At least the first couple of articles Bagar, Pokhara and Baidam state that they are wards. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:10, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support rename, with the current content that makes sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 2 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject Essays articles
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:WikiProject Wikipedia essays pages.
 * Propose renaming Category:WikiProject Essays articles to Category:WikiProject Essays pages
 * Nominator's rationale: These are project pages, not encyclopaedia articles. Adam9007 (talk) 03:09, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Yes, I'd go along with that. And perhaps write Essays as essays, so Category:WikiProject essays pages. SilkTork (talk) 12:57, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Just wondering, is the content of this category any different from Category:Wikipedia essays (apart from the fact it contains talk pages)? Marcocapelle (talk) 13:55, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I would like to know the answer to Marcocapelle's question. I also want to point out some strangeness too: The actual name of the WikiProject is actually WikiProject Wikipedia essays after a unilateral page move about a year and a half ago by . So I suppose if we really wanted to be technical, perhaps Category:WikiProject Wikipedia essays pages is the most proper name (though it sounds extremely awkward). However, if there's no real difference between Category:Wikipedia essays and this cat besides the namespace, I would think that a massive purge of this cat except for pages that are directly about the WikiProject and its internal workings would be the best course of action.  bibliomaniac 1  5  05:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Rename to Category:WikiProject Wikipedia essays pages. This is a talk page category, presumably populated by the project banner template. Its name should match the WikiProject. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:39, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:WikiProject Wikipedia essays pages. The category name should match the WikiProject. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:34, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:WikiProject Wikipedia essays pages. Essays are not articles, and I don't know if anyone's mentioned it yet, but the category name should match the WikiProject that it belongs to. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:50, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Rankin/Bass Productions television series
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 * The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 17:33, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rankin/Bass Productions television series to Category:Television series by Rankin/Bass Animated Entertainment
 * Nominator's rationale: Rankin/Bass Productions, Inc. was later renamed "Rankin/Bass Animated Entertainment". EuantheEditor (talk) 21:21, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose due to WP:NAMECHANGES (Oinkers42) (talk) 21:24, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Oppose The main article Rankin/Bass Animated Entertainment was recently renamed, without discussion and no sources for the "new" name. It should be restored to the better known name, and the category should stay as it is. Dimadick (talk) 07:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Pagans of the Crusades
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 16:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Pagans of the Crusades to Category:Pagans of the Northern Crusades
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, this is unrelated to the better known crusades in the Middle East where the term "pagans" is never used. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support to match parent category Category:People of the Northern Crusades. Dimadick (talk) 08:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support This makes the category clearer. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Aesop's Fables shorts
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 16:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Aesop's Fables shorts to Category:Aesop's Fables (film series)
 * Nominator's rationale: Article Aesop's Fables (film series) should be main article. ★Trekker (talk) 08:09, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. This is a film series, not a collection of unrelated adaptation of the stories. Dimadick (talk) 08:56, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Negro
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Negro
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SHAREDNAME
 * The explicit purpose of this category is to group articles with the word Negro in them according to the header: "Articles relating to the term Negro, a term historically used to denote persons considered to be of Negroid heritage." I can't imagine any reader wanting a direct navigational path between Negro league baseball, Negro Head Road (North Carolina) and N.W.A. There's no need for a merger because those examples are already better categorized in Category:African-American sports history, Category:History of racism in North Carolina, and Category:African-American musical groups, respectively, as all are all the other articles here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:22, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Not defining - and in any case, what would we do with articles for items with Italian, Spanish, and Portuguese names, where the word simply means "black"? Do we add in Montenegro or Rio Negro? Grutness... wha?   04:25, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, this is an obvious case of WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak delete as WP:SHAREDNAME for unrelated things, mostly about negative protrayals and references to Black people. Unless the ones about the term Negro itself and related terms like nigger are okay. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 08:10, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The category is about the term and its historical uses, not about racism specific to any location or to a single sport. Dimadick (talk) 08:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to something that makes it clear that this is a category falling under Category:Terminology, and purge everything unrelated to the lexicographic examination of the term and related terms. BD2412  T 22:15, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I am very skeptical about that. Which articles in this category, beside Negro, would you then keep? Marcocapelle (talk) 13:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Generally those articles that are either about the term identified in the title, or which contain a substantial etymology of their title term (such as Negrito). BD2412  T 15:04, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The article Negrito is about a specific ethnicity in Asia, not about terminology. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It has a substantial section on etymology, though. BD2412  T 18:22, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * If this is the best example of another article that would stay in the category then I am even more convinced that the category should be deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:05, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep but purge -- Negro is the Spanish word for black. It is appropriate as a parent to Negro league baseball, Free negro etc, along with currently disparaged words like nigger/nigga, which are likewise derived from the Latin niger (black).  This is not merely a case of sharedname, but I think it should be limited to uses from the segregation era and purged of anything later - into equivalent African American categories.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete this will never be anything but a collecting ground for articles better classified in the existing structures. Yes, "negro" is Spanish for the color black, but then Negros (island) and Rio Negro and such would merit inclusion as being named so by the Spanish - but what is being categorized here is how the term (and those also derived from Spanish or Latin) is used in relation to people and the contextualization of that usage. We don't do that with other terminology. E.g,. we have no Category:Caucasian (interesting how white people are supposedly originating there?), Category:Latino, Category:Latina (a dab category of Latin language etc, not ethnicity), Category:Latinx (also interesting that people from south of the border of the US are termed based on a region of Italy, but the people from that region aren't), etc. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


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