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Category:Mechanicians in Macedonian army

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:09, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mechanicians in Macedonian army to Category:Hellenistic military engineers
 * Nominator's rationale: Merged category would include all 8 articles and avoid the obscure term mechanicians. Rathfelder (talk) 21:42, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support mechanical engineer per nom, also support the broader term 'Hellenistic' since not all articles refer to the one and only Macedonian army. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:27, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support -- Macedonia can also refer to the modern Slavic country, now called North Macedonia. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:33, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:39, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Danish mechanicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename especially for consistency's sake, considering the consensus for the parent category.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:08, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Danish mechanicians to Category:Danish mechanical engineers
 * Nominator's rationale: In line with similar categories. Mechanicians might be a Danish term, but as an English term it is very obscure. Rathfelder (talk) 21:39, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: To me it seems a useful category for early mechanicians (people working with mechanical inventions) that were not "engineers" per se. My destinction would be that a mechanician is (or rather was) a craftsman (like a clockmaker but working with other devices) whereas an engineer has been trained at an institution of higher education. But it may be because the word correspinds to a well-estabilshed term in Danish (mekaniker). And the category should of cause not be kept if the main category is deleted.Ramblersen2 (talk) 22:06, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * These biographies dont seem any different from those which in other countries are classified as mechanical engineers. I dont think there was much higher education for engineers anywhere before about 1900.  Rathfelder (talk) 22:03, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support nom -- See comments under Mecahnicians (below). A headnote might usefully include the Danish term.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:46, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Mechanicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:07, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mechanicians to Category:Mechanical engineers
 * Nominator's rationale: Mechanicians is a very obscure term, not used in most of the articles. Rathfelder (talk) 21:37, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, the category contains three mechanical engineers, a mechanic and a professor of mechanics. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:21, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support -- Some of the people of past centuries would be better described as "mechanics", which was more prestigious in the 18th century than now. The scope may need to be explained in a headnote as including people who would at the time have been called mechanics.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:44, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:39, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Animated Flash (comics) films
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Category:Alumni of New College Stamford

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete for now.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:14, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting alumni of new college stamford


 * Nominator's rationale: The category contains one article, Harriadnie Beau, and two redirects to crime articles. I can't find any evidence that Beau attended the college, so inclusion fails WP:CATV. None of the articles mention New College, Stamford (now renamed as Stamford College), so I suggest that the category should be deleted. TSventon (talk) 20:37, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment. At the very least it needs to be renamed to, and there are one or two articles (e.g., Doxis Bekris) that are for alumni... but unless there are five or more genuine articles, there's no real point keeping it. Grutness... wha?   05:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * More detail. I have made this nomination following moving the college article to Stamford College, Lincolnshire and creating the Stamford College disambiguation page and would be happy to rename it if kept. The members and potential member I have found for the category are:
 * I have found four potential members of the category, but not verified any of them as alumni of the college. The two articles are of borderline notability (Beau's article was nominated for deleted with no consensus and Bekris' article is tagged for notability) so I don't think the college article needs a notable alumni section. The category has some potential for growth as the college has been around from 1967 to the present. TSventon (talk) 11:00, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * In that case, I'm swayed to delete with no prejudice against later recreation at the new name iff articles on several verified alumni are found/created. Grutness... wha?   15:21, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Islamic figures from Quran

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:07, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Islamic figures from Quran to Category:People of the Quran
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, there is no obvious difference in scope between the two categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:42, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support Same scope. Dimadick (talk) 05:11, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I wonder if the creator meant "protagonists in the Quran"? The Quran is clear as to who it considers the protagonist and who it considers the antagonist, and reliable sources could be found for such a categorization. Hopefully can chime in.VR talk 01:50, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Which sources exactly? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support  per nom.Smeat75 (talk) 01:59, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom; Quranic exegesis does differentiate protagonists and antagonists, but some folks changed from non-Islamic to Islamic, and categories are supposed be permanent. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:17, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Islamic figures

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:07, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting islamic figures


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF, people in this category are characterized neither as "Islamic" nor as "figure", they are people occurring in the Hebrew Bible, the New Testament and the Quran and already categorized as such. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:36, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete  per nom. Smeat75 (talk) 19:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete  We have no other "figures" category. Dimadick (talk) 05:14, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Possible Rename to Category:People venerated in Islam, but most of the people will be in other categories, covering Hebrew Bible; New Testament; and Quran, so that this ought to be a container or largely so. In saying this I bear in mind that Islam has a different view of some of the people from Jews and Christians, so that it is appropriate to have a distinct parent.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:55, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete delete per nom. In Shi'a Islam and Bektashi Islam, etc., there are many people venerated (including recent ones such as Khomeini). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:18, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Muslim saints from the Old Testment

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete WP:G7.  if you create a page by mistake, please tag it with db-author rather than redirecting it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:42, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting muslim saints from the old testment


 * Nominator's rationale: speedy delete per WP:C2A. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:17, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete  per nom and apart from the spelling issue any articles in such a category would require sources to verify that Islam actually considers any figures from the Hebrew Bible as "Muslim saints."Smeat75 (talk) 19:44, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete  The category is misnamed. It says "Testment" instead of "Testament". Dimadick (talk) 05:16, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Pre-Islamic figures

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete WP:G7, category was emptied and redirected to Category:Islamic figures by its creator. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:44, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting pre-islamic figures


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, no need to have a redirect for such an implausible search term. "Pre-Islamic figures" would apply to everyone who lived before Muhammad. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:13, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete  per nom. Smeat75 (talk) 19:39, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete  No definition provided for its scope. Dimadick (talk) 05:17, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Medieval Islamic preachers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:06, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting medieval islamic preachers


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF, apart from Muhammad nobody in this category was well-known as a preacher. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:05, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete  per nom. Smeat75 (talk) 19:08, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment  Dhu al-Kifl lived c. 600 BC. Why is he categorized as Medieval? Dimadick (talk) 05:19, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems the creator of this category who made all the entries doesn't know what Medieval means. Smeat75 (talk) 02:02, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete the medieval period is used to describe European history, rather than Islamic history other than its interaction with European issues. As if to reinforce this concept, Medieval redirects to Middle Ages which has as its most prominent picture a jeweled cross. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:21, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Married beauty pageant contestants

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:06, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting married beauty pageant contestants


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. ★Trekker (talk) 14:24, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Whether the contestants are married or not seems to have no impact on their career. Dimadick (talk) 16:34, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete we don't categorize on whether people are married. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:21, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Pre-Muslim saints

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete WP:G7, category's creator has moved the contents to Category:Pre-Islamic figures and then to Category:Islamic figures, e.g. . – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:50, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting pre-muslim saints
 * Nominator's rationale: Confusing name. Saints canonised before Islam? Is there an article discussing these? I'd expect to see them discussed in Wali, although that does say "As scholars have noted, saints venerated in traditional Turkish Sunni Islam may be classified into three principal categories:... The "greats figures of Islam", both pre-Islamic and those who came after Muhammad, as well as certain sainted rulers." So, perhaps there's case for Pre-Islamic Saints but that's also confusing as it covers Christian saints that aren't consider saints in Islam. Doug Weller  talk 13:38, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There are many people who were considered Muslims, following the teachings of Islamic prophets before Muhammad. IslamMyLoveMyLife (talk) 13:42, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Deleteper nom. Something needs to be done about the above editor, who created the cat. He is obsessively going through many articles on figures from the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament categorizing them as "Muslim saints", "Pre-Islamic figures' etc. over and over.Smeat75 (talk) 16:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Ill-defined category, and currently empty. Dimadick (talk) 16:37, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As I've said elsewhere, he seems confused about the general issue. He's said that the Bible calls Adam and Eve Christians. Doug Weller  talk 17:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NONDEF. For example Adam in Islam is a prophet, not a saint, and the article is already in a prophets category. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:38, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Crazy Ex-Girlfriend (TV series)

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:06, 16 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting crazy ex-girlfriend (tv series)


 * Nominator's rationale: Too little content for an eponymous category. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:19, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Category was created a month before the template (over two years ago) and has links to not only the episode list, seasons, but also the images created for the series, certainly more than a "little".  Wylie pedia  @ 10:36, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose Has enough content for a category.★Trekker (talk) 14:26, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Early Islamic preachers

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete WP:G7, category's creator has moved the contents on to Category:Pre-Muslim saints then Category:Pre-Islamic figures then Category:Islamic figures, e.g. . – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting early islamic preachers


 * Nominator's rationale: Being abused for figures who are not Islamic at all, but pre-Islamic. Elizium23 (talk) 06:45, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.Smeat75 (talk) 10:22, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Yup. And newly created Category:Pre-Islamic figures doesn't make much sense either. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, Muhammad is in Category:Medieval Islamic preachers and there were no earlier Islamic preachers. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:41, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Roman Catholic prayers
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:06, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic prayers to Category:Catholic prayers
 * Nominator's rationale: common name see NgramManabimasu (talk) 01:11, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose on the premise that these are prayers of the Roman Rite and not of the Eastern Catholic Churches. Counterproposal: create a tree for Eastern Catholic prayers, devotions, etc. (although these will be indistinguishable from Eastern Orthodox et. al.) Elizium23 (talk) 01:29, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Elizium23 and per WP:PRECISION. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 01:47, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose there are Catholics not under Rome. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:22, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose as "Roman Catholic" is the WP:COMMONNAME. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:47, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose for all the reasons heretofore given. Manannan67 (talk) 04:02, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


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