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Category:People from Leetsdale, Pennsylvania

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:52, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Leetsdale, Pennsylvania to Category:People from Allegheny County, Pennsylvania
 * Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:03, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 14:44, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Roswell UFO incident

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:51, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Roswell UFO incident to Category:Roswell incident
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistency with main article's name Guy Macon (talk) 21:40, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per C2D. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 13:16, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Roswell UFO incident in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:51, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Roswell UFO incident in fiction to Category:Roswell incident in fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistency with main article's name Guy Macon (talk) 21:39, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per C2D. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 13:16, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:48, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Condor of the Andes
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the order of the condor of the andes
 * grand crosses of the order of the condor of the andes‎
 * Nominator's rationale: Bolivian award, after checking at eswiki I can confirm that it appears to be awarded mostly to foreigners. None of the articles I checked do more than briefly mention it. Not at all defining to Konrad Adenauer, Haile Selassie, Jimmy Doolittle, or to the Bolivian recipients such as Germán Busch or Enrique Peñaranda. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:23, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Usually a diplomatic souvenir that fails WP:PERFCAT. Albert I of Belgium, Edward VIII of the UK, and Ernesto Galarza of the US are not remotely defined by the award, the recipients of which are already listified in the main article, Order of the Condor of the Andes. - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:23, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:05, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Major state honour usually awarded to citizens of Bolivia. Clearly defining. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:21, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * While the majority of the total number of awards might be issued domestically, the majority of notable recipients appear to be foreign. WP:OCAWARD guides us to look at the latter: "A category of award recipients should exist only if receiving the award is a defining characteristic for the large majority of its notable recipients." - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:32, 29 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. Pretty much only given to foreigners (although not exclusively - Spanish wiki reveals that it has also been given to The Strongest! ... for whom it is probably not defining). Furius (talk) 21:39, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:46, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. The award actually has been given to many notable Bolivians who have dedicated articles including many Bolivian presidents. The issue is that many of those articles simply do not have the category (and lack many other categories). I am currently working on organizing and adding categories to Bolivian articles and I intend to add this category where applicable if it is kept. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 22:55, 5 May 2021 (UTC)


 * @Krisgabwoosh, your comment does not address the central question of whether the award is WP:DEFINING for the large majority of its notable recipients. I assume that for example, Presidents are defined by the tenue and events of their presidency, rather than by what gongs they collected. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:59, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps not for more recent presidents. However, the Order of the Condor is one of the highest military awards in Bolivia and given the amount of military presidents and dictators the country has seen, it's plausible to argue that it's a defining characteristic of their military careers. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 01:17, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:30, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Czech assassins
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:50, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting czech assassins
 * Nominator's rationale: The one person in this category had Czechoslovak citizenship and is already categorized in Category:Czechoslovak assassins. I doubt there is potential for expansion as a check of the cswiki category indicated that all died before the establishment of the Czech Republic and would have had Czechoslovak or Austro-Hungarian citizenship. The Czech Republic since 1993 is not a place known for political assassinations. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  19:53, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:46, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Songs written by Billy Martin (guitarist)
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:50, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting songs written by billy martin (guitarist)
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one member which is a redirect. No assistance to navigation. Richhoncho (talk) 18:58, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:45, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Nile
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:49, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the order of the nile
 * grand cordons of the order of the nile
 * commanders of the order of the nile‎
 * grand officers of the order of the nile
 * Nominator's rationale: Egyptian award, does not appear to be defining in either pre- or post-independence variants. For both foreign recipients such as Archibald Wavell, Yuri Gagarin, or George Walter Grabham as well as Egyptian recipients such as Amr Moussa, Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, etc. the award is just listed with others. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  18:16, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete If you want to see the collective impact of diplomatic souvenirs in the article space, just look at the train wrecks at the bottom of articles in this category like Emperor Akihito, Margrethe II of Denmark, or Hussein of Jordan. Doesn't appear to be defining to any of the articles I clicked on. (The category contents appear to be already listified within the main article, Order of the Nile, but should be double checked.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:49, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Major state honour usually awarded to citizens of Egypt. Clearly defining. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:21, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete : Seems to be primarily a diplomatic award; the Arabic wiki category doesn't tell a different story. Furius (talk) 21:31, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:44, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Aztec Eagle
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the order of the aztec eagle
 * collars of the order of the aztec eagle‎
 * grand crosses of the order of the aztec eagle
 * bands of the order of the aztec eagle‎
 * placards of the order of the aztec eagle
 * insignia propers of the order of the aztec eagle‎
 * Nominator's rationale: Mexican decoration awarded (exclusively, it seems) to foreigners. Not at all defining for Mahathir Mohamad, Josip Broz Tito, Walter Schwimmer, Carlos Echeverri Cortés, Jared Kushner, Nelson Mandela, etc. I did not see it more than mentioned in any bio. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  18:02, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete The stated intent of this award is to be a diplomatic souvenir and it's not remotely defining to, say, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Bill Gates, or Nelson Rockefeller. I already listified the contents in the main article, Order of the Aztec Eagle. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:16, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: RevelationDirect: I appreciate the rapid listifications, but in this case the new list seems to duplicate the list that was already there? Furius (talk) 21:34, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Partially, yes. There was already 1 list of royalty in one format and 3 separate lists (presidents, politicians & other) in another format. I added third format "by class" which contains both some overlap and some additional articles. Ideally, we would have one list (in the format of the royalty one) that you could sort by whichever column interested you: class, year, country, title etc. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:53, 29 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - diplomatic award. Furius (talk) 21:34, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete : Seems to be primarily a diplomatic award; the Arabic wiki category doesn't tell a different story. Furius (talk) 21:31, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:44, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Jharkhand anachronisms
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:47, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging:
 * Category:Jharkhand MLAs 1985–1990 to Category:Bihar MLAs 1985–1990
 * Category:Jharkhand MLAs 1990–1995 to Category:Bihar MLAs 1990–1995
 * Category:Jharkhand MLAs 1995–2000 to Category:Bihar MLAs 1995–2000
 * Nominator's rationale: The Indian state of Jharkhand was created in late 2000, seceding from Bihar. The MLAs in these categories represented constituencies which are now part of Jharkhand, but were at the time part of Bihar.  These 3 categories are anachronisms, because they wrongly label these MLAs as sitting in the Jharkhand Legislative Assembly at a time before that body's creation. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:55, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 14:45, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:JO1
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:46, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jo1
 * Nominator's rationale: The amount of content here is too minimal to pass WP:OCEPON. The discography page can be downmerged to the subcats. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:35, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Well, maybe it could count as 5 entries, so I'm not absolutely sure. --Just N. (talk) 15:34, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedian QA engineers
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:45, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wikipedian QA engineers to Category:Wikipedian quality assurance specialists
 * Nominator's rationale: Seems to be a duplicate category. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:00, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Currently there is no job classification for the type of engineer. EX.QA engineer /RD engineer /Process engineer Light0113 (talk) 23:59, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 14:45, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:California Redwoods (UFL)
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:44, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting california redwoods (ufl)
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT: category contains a single redirect. Ibadibam (talk) 16:27, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:American women academics of Chinese descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:43, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:American women academics of Chinese descent to Category:American women academics
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to . This quadruple intersection fails WP:OCEGRS. A former parent category, Category:American women of Chinese descent, was merged earlier this year. User:Namiba 15:52, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Upmerge If we can not have to broad women category here, we should not have the occupation specific one.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:53, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 14:46, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Archdeacons of Fore
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:42, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Archdeacons of Fore to Category:Archdeacons in Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: There was only ever one recorded. Rathfelder (talk) 11:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:SMALLCAT. Ibadibam (talk) 16:27, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Support a textbook definition of WP:SMALLCAT, as category will be forever limited to just one entry. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 20:30, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 14:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Hindu artists
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting hindu artists
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection with religion. Note that these artists did not produce religious art. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:31, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and per WP:OCEGRS.  Irrelevant intersection. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:59, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:15, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Scholars of Islam, or Islamic studies scholars
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 28%23Scholars of Islam, or Islamic studies scholars

Category:Kid Icarus video games
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 12%23Category:Kid Icarus video games

Category:Recipients of the Star of People's Friendship
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; has now been listified in the article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the star of people's friendship
 * Nominator's rationale: Nondefining East German award. Checked several recipients at random including Fritz Bennewitz, Hans Schaul, Bernhard Quandt, Manfred Gerlach, and Pyotr Abrassimov. None do more than mention this award. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:12, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete but Listify The stated purpose of the award is promoting "understanding and friendship between nations and preservation of peace" but Finance Minister Willy Rumpf, Cuban leader Fidel Castro, zoo director Heinrich Dathe aren't defined by that or this award. (The category contents should be listified in Star of People's Friendship article though and I can help.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:03, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete but Listify seems fair enough in my eyes. --Just N. (talk) 15:12, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:30, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep or Delete but Listify and add the link to all the relevant biographies. This was a relevant decoration in contemporary history. --MaeseLeon (talk) 11:22, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note The category contents are now listified right here in the main article for any readers interested in the topic. The dates of issue from that article were incorporated into the list so no information was lost. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of Lenin
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:38, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the order of lenin
 * Nominator's rationale: Nondefining award. Checked several bios including Semyon Aralov, Pyotr Berestov, Lidiya Alekseyeva, Alexander Altunin, Pavel Babaylov, Irakli Abashidze, Aleksey Abrikosov, Garay Asadov, Nikolay Basov, Nikolay Burdenko, Anatoly Dobrynin, Aleksey Chuyanov, etc. and none do more than mention the award, sometimes alongside more prestigious ones such as Hero of the Soviet Union. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:08, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete 431,418 of these medals issued per the main article, Order of Lenin. It's hard to contemplate an award being defining that was given out out so liberally. (I normally suggest listification but I'm not sure if that's practical here.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:32, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It was the second highest award of the Soviet Union, and the highest award most people who received it got (despite most people in the category right now being Heroes of the Soviet Union due to enwiki being crap in Russian history). Receiving the Order of Lenin was VERY defining, even if not all recipients of it were notable. Do note that the nominator here insisting on purging completely random Soviet award categories has also nominated recipients of the order of victory for deletion even though only 20 people were awarded it. This category CANNOT be deleted without devastating consequences for the entire project.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 20:42, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Major state honour usually awarded to citizens of the Soviet Union. Clearly defining. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:18, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Again, a plea for some systematisation, here! Why the order of Lenin but not the Order of the Red Banner of Labour etc Furius (talk) 18:42, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree that it would be preferable to start with individual nominations for the lesser awards and move up the list, as consensus allowed! - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:16, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * That is one way of doing it, I suppose, but really the opposite of what I was asking for, which was to do all the Soviet awards in one place. Furius (talk) 21:22, 29 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep There is a reason so many Heroes of the Soviet Union are in the category - Heroes of the Soviet Union get the Order of Lenin. BUT not all Heroes of the Soviet Union get the Order of Lenin, and for people who were not Heroes of the Soviet Union or Heroes of Socialist Labour, it was their highest medal, their most defining award, and very notable. For the love of God stop nominating categories for awards you don't even understand for deletion! No other wiki has ever deleted the recipients of the Order of Lenin category. This is one step below deleting the Heroes of the Soviet Union or Heroes of Socialist Labour categories! So many people are defined by this as their highest award - Tamara Kazarinova, Tojikhon Shodieva, Yaponts Abadiyev, Max Taitz, etc just to name a few. Unfortunately, many notable recipients of it for whom it was the highest award don't have articles yet, but that's enwiki! Taking this category away basically means saying goodbye to ALL Soviet award categories, but frankly, it looks like that's what is happening here, considering how people who know NOTHING about the USSR and Soviet awards who haven't written a single biography of a Soviet award recipient in their life are trying to purge Soviet award categories. What's next, only being able to categorize Soviet people by birth and death year, or is that going as well?--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 20:38, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Again, I tested Planespotter's theory that ruwiki treats the award as defining. I went to the ruwiki category and clicked on several bios at random None of them more than mention the award. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "None of them more than mention the award" Again, that's because the Soviet biographies DON'T MENTION the non-defining awards at all. Being mention shows that it's defining. Russian biographies don't elaborate much and are very concise, but one mention doesn't mean an award isn't defining. This award was often the highest award someone ever got, and was awarded for the highest accomplishment in their career. You expect the articles to mention it multiple times? Do you really think that getting the second highest soviet civilian award ISN'T inherently defining? This is going to create an absolute mess. If we can't have a category for the 2nd highest Soviet civilian award, why have any Soviet award categories at all? Heck, why don't you go nominate heroes of the soviet union for deletion because a bunch of Russian wikipedia articles only briefly mention the award. Your idea of "defining" is increadibly narrow and attacking wikipedia! In many biographies, this category is the most important one! For gods sake, go pick on some American medals now and then.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 21:22, 29 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep Deleting the category of those awarded the highest order of the USSR is as strange as deleting an article about the order itself. Eugene M (talk) 21:43, 29 April 2021 (UTC) — Eugene M (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Eugene M is an active and productive editor of Russian Wikipedia on the subject of award recipients, where he obviously has demonstrated an in-depth knowledge of the subject matter far better than most people here, ergo his opinion is worth listening to. Just because he mostly edits Russian wikipedia doesn't make is comments irrelevant.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 22:00, 29 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. --Just N. (talk) 15:14, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a significant award, and disappointing to see being nominated after research solely limited to wikisources - which are non-reliable. If trawling a number of biographies (of varying degrees of completeness and comprehensiveness) and making a judgement based on what they do or do not say is the criteria for these nominations, I do not think sufficient competence in the topic is being demonstrated by the nominator, still less appropriate analysis before nominating. Spokoyni (talk) 23:02, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of Victory
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:34, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the order of victory
 * Nominator's rationale: Nondefining Soviet award. People like Leonid Brezhnev, Josip Broz Tito, Ivan Konev etc. are known for being allied military leaders not for receiving the award. Checked ruwiki and it looks the same. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:02, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete The Order of Victory article indicates the award was rarely issued but the people it was issued to like Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, and Michael I of Romania are already so notable that this award doesn't seem defining and isn't treated as such in the articles. (The category contents are already listified within the main article.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:07, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Major state honour usually awarded to citizens of the Soviet Union. Clearly defining. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:18, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Major, high, and VERY rare award encured from defining features of their life (awarded for playing a significant role in the war, which naturally, means only high military leaders got it).--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 20:46, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep A unique order both from a historical and an artistic point of view. Attempts to remove categories of orders, especially the highest in status, look ridiculous and destructive. Eugene M (talk) 21:47, 29 April 2021 (UTC) — Eugene M (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:10, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Partisan Cross
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. For anyone wanting to create a list, the contents of the category prior to deletion are listed on the talk page. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:57, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the partisan cross
 * Nominator's rationale: 55,000 awards mostly to Polish resistance fighters. These people are noted for being resistance fighters, not for this specific award. Articles I checked don't treat it as defining. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  05:53, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD. One would expect this to overlap with Category:Polish resistance members of World War II but that is hardly the case, it was only awarded to communists for a start, and the role in Polish resistance is sometimes questionable. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete but Listify Being a Polish resistance member during World War II is absolutely defining which is why already have Category:Polish resistance members of World War II. Categorizing by this award for that same participation is redundant. (The catgory contents should be copied over to the Partisan Cross, and I can help.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Given to all Polish resistance fighters.Furius (talk) 18:44, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete but Listify per the above seems perfectly fair. --Just N. (talk) 15:09, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Being or having been a decorated member of the world-famous Polish Resistance is clearly defining. --MaeseLeon (talk) 11:13, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Cross of Grunwald
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the order of the cross of grunwald
 * recipients of the order of the cross of grunwald, 1st class
 * recipients of the order of the cross of grunwald, 2nd class‎
 * recipients of the order of the cross of grunwald, 3rd class‎


 * Nominator's rationale: Nondefining award. Tends to be listed with others in biographies such as Mirosław Hermaszewski, Josip Broz Tito, Ivan Konev, Nikolai Kuznetsov (admiral), etc. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  05:51, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete but Listify This award was given for different time and most the articles I looked at don't even mention it including Prime Minister Piotr Jaroszewicz, Soviet general Sergei Rudenko, economist Zygmunt Modzelewski. (The category contents should be listified within Order of the Cross of Grunwald though and I can help.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:18, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Major state honour usually awarded to citizens of Poland. Clearly defining. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:19, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Just because a couple politicans famous for other things got the award doesn't make it defining for other people. The people heavily defined by it are unfortunatly under-represented in english wikipedia, but that doesn't mean that the award isn't defining or for its other notablie recipients, like Umer Adamanov (for whom it is very defining). The generals the nominater listed are the exception to the rule (just are overrepresented in categories since they are more known in Anglosphere), for normal recipients, it is a notability definer, their highest award, even their only one.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 20:31, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete but Listify IMHO seems fair enough. --Just N. (talk) 15:06, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * List everyone with a Wikipedia article that was awarded it? What will we do when the content gap from Russian and Polish Wikipedia is closed and hundreds upon hundreds of people are to be listed? Just makes more sense to add a name to a category after creating a new article instead of adding to a bazillion lists.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 20:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * We list recipients for every notable award, either in the award article or as a separate aeticle, so why would Russian awards be an exception? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 1 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as per above. --MaeseLeon (talk) 11:18, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of Karl Marx
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. I will queue the category for listification to Order of Karl Marx. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the order of karl marx
 * Nominator's rationale: Nondefining East German award. Checked several bios including Ingeburg Lange, Robert Siewert, and Gerhard Schürer; it tends to be listed with other awards if at all. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  05:47, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete but Listify Seems to be mentioned in passing, like with Soviet cosmonaut Vladimir Aksyonov, or not at all, like German journalist Alexander Abusch. (The category contents should be fully listified within the main article, Order of Karl Marx, and I can help.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:39, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Major state honour usually awarded to citizens of East Germany. Clearly defining. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:20, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete but Listify seems IMHO a fair proposal. --Just N. (talk) 15:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as per above. --MaeseLeon (talk) 11:18, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


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Greensboro Pride categories
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/merge but do not merge Category:Greensboro Pride men's basketball coaches. Also merge Category:Greensboro Pride men's soccer coaches to Category:College men's soccer coaches in the United States. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

(I've never been to CfD before, so I hope I'm doing this correctly.) This whole scheme is unnecessary subcategorization. There are a total of seven articles in the assorted subcategories of Category:Greensboro Pride, five of which are in Category:Greensboro Pride football coaches (which deserves keeping). Of the other categories, "men's soccer coaches" and "men's basketball coaches" each contain one page, and the others contain only subcategories. There's really no need to have all these subcategories when the two articles there can just be in the overarching category (Category:Greensboro Pride). Aerin17 (talk) 04:43, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Greensboro Pride basketball
 * Propose deleting Category:Greensboro Pride men's basketball
 * Propose merging Category:Greensboro Pride men's basketball coaches to Category:Greensboro Pride
 * Propose deleting Category:Greensboro Pride football
 * Propose deleting Category:Greensboro Pride men's soccer
 * Propose merging Category:Greensboro Pride men's soccer coaches to Category:Greensboro Pride
 * Support per nom but dual merge, e.g. merge Category:Greensboro Pride men's soccer coaches also to Category:College men's soccer coaches in the United States. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:Greensboro Pride men's basketball coaches and its parent category Category:Greensboro Pride men's basketball. I just added three more previous head coaches to the category and I am sure there are some notable people who were assistants there at some point - the category has potential for expansion beyond the 4 articles currently in it. Rikster2 (talk) 10:44, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * In that case, if we keep Category:Greensboro Pride men's basketball coaches, then Category:Greensboro Pride basketball may still be merged to Category:Greensboro Pride as a redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom & Marco. The newly filled category may be kept per Rikster2. --Just N. (talk) 14:52, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Semitic language articles needing translation from French Wikipedia
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:39, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I read the CFD#HOWTO, but I'm not really sure where this fits. Article Eblaite is the sole entry in Category:Semitic language articles needing translation from French Wikipedia. This article has a Expand French template at the top, and this template categorizes the article in this case into Category:Articles needing translation from French Wikipedia, and is capable of categorizing articles into categories that are similary named. For example, the template would categorize it into Category:Geography articles needing translation from French Wikipedia when the geo parameter is passed to Expand French. But that is not the case here, and "Semitic language articles" category is the result of someone manually adding that category to the bottom of the page at Eblaite. Given that no other member exists in the category, maybe it should be deleted, or perhaps merged? If someone can do the right thing, I'd appreciate it, and please ping me so I can follow along, and that might help me for next time. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 02:03, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, this is a subcategory of Category:Articles needing translation from French Wikipedia with a too narrow scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Marcocapelle. Well, provided that there are not several people emerging that convince us of it being undeniably useful. ;) --Just N. (talk) 14:59, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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