Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 August 10



Category:Dave McPherson (musician) EPs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 19:11, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dave mcpherson (musician) eps
 * Nominator's rationale: Not much use for a category for a single redirect whose target offers no info about the topic outside of listing it in the discography section. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Controversial Wikipedias

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 * The result of the discussion was: deleted as block evasion. Graham 87  05:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting controversial wikipedias
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CATDEFINING, none of these articles include the statement of "controversial, mainly due to high amounts of internet bots." Further explanation: These Wikipedias were indeed expanded by bots, but none say this was controversial. The sole controversial Wikipedia is the Scots Wikipedia, which is already categorized under Category:Wikipedia controversies. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 22:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Redundant to Category:Wikipedia controversies. There might be a controversy at a Wikipedia project but that doesn't make the project "controversial". They are incidents and the entire project shouldn't be labeled as controversial. It also looks like one very new editor's subjective opinion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:26, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Jeff Bezos

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 19:13, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jeff bezos
 * Nominator's rationale: As per WP:OCEPON I don't see this category taking off. So far it's a very small number of arbitrary 'things related to Jeff Bezos' which are directly linked from Jeff Bezos already.  Jeff Bezos companies might have more merit and cover a few of the entries?. JeffUK (talk) 20:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete for now, unless it can be well populated. "Can't see this taking off"? I see what you did there... Grutness... wha?   01:31, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Specific Polish letters
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 September 8%23Category:Specific Polish letters

Category:Opposition to Islam by continent
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 September 8%23Category:Opposition to Islam by continent

Category:Wikipedia images of Indonesia by User:Cccefalon

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 19:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedia images of indonesia by user
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete we do not use categories to categorize content by the creating user; Special:Contributions is used instead. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Thomas Metcalfe (Kentucky politician)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename and repurpose. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:33, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting thomas metcalfe (kentucky politician)
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT and WP:OCEPON. This eponymous category contains only 5 articles and one of them is the article itself. User:Namiba 19:35, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm fine with the category being deleted, but is it worth creating a new category, Category:Buildings constructed by Thomas Metcalfe? I know there is a list article, but a category might also be desirable. Based on the list article, there would be a non-trivial number of articles included in such a category. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:24, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Are there any comparable categories? I cannot find any and I don't know if making a whole new tree makes sense.--User:Namiba 13:45, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I would consider it the same as Category:Books by Mark Twain or Category:Paintings by Vincent van Gogh. There may not be another "Buildings constructed by..." category, but I guess there aren't that many notable builders. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 14:31, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That makes sense to me. We already have Category:People associated with buildings and structures.--User:Namiba 15:54, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm completely OK with deleting the category for the person if we can create a new category for the buildings he built. Would hate to lose that info. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 14:45, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete There is a high bar for creating eponomous categories, which is not even close to being met here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:13, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename and purge (per above discussion) to Category:Thomas Metcalfe buildings, similar to the subcats of Category:Buildings and structures by American architects. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  09:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I withdraw my suggestion to delete and instead back Marcocape's proposal.--User:Namiba 12:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename and purge per Marcocapelle.-- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:08, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Opposition to Fidel Castro

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Opposition to Fidel Castro to Category:Cuban dissident movement
 * Nominator's rationale: Per Cuban dissident movement. Fidel Castro is dead but opposition to the regime he created is ongoing. Charles Essie (talk) 18:58, 18 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose renaming for now. While I agree that opposition to the current state in Cuba is more than opposition to Fidel Castro, I think the term Cuban dissident movement should be reconsidered as well. There have been multiple dissident movements over the past two centuries including against the Spanish as well as the corrupt governments which came before the July 26 revolution. A better name is needed for both the category and article.--User:Namiba 14:00, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure, but those were against Spanish rule and the pre-revolutionary government were usually called "nationalists" or "revolutionaries" and not "dissidents". Charles Essie (talk) 20:15, 26 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename in Some Form Namiba raises valid concerns about the original rename proposal but the current name is also unworkable. Maybe Category:Opposition to the Communist Party of Cuba? - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:28, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * How about Category:Opposition to the Cuban Revolution?--User:Namiba 21:32, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I disagree. The Cuban Revolution ended in 1959 which was before the Cuban dissident movement even started and some dissident groups are/were not against it, they just didn't like what came after. Charles Essie (talk) 20:11, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Alt I like the alt above of Category:Opposition to the Cuban Revolution. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:28, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you be more specific? Charles Essie (talk) 17:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  09:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose as nominated. The current title is arguably too specific, but the proposed alternative is terminally short of specificity.  I am open to other suggestions, but nothing so far works better than the current title. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:13, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


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Category:The Beatles and radio
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 August 23%23Category:The Beatles and radio

Category:Television shows filmed in Vancouver
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2021 August 23

Category:42-cylinder engines

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename, option B.  bibliomaniac  1  5  17:53, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:42-cylinder engines to Category:Forty two-cylinder engines
 * Nominator's rationale: To follow form of other cylinder engine categories DemonStalker (talk) 12:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Hmmmm. This and should theoretically be at  and  - partly because the numbers are forty-two and twenty-four, and partly to remove any ambiguity. I'd be tempted, however, to suggest it might be better to follow the article rules for WP:MOSNUMERAL and rename all above nine cylinders with digits. Grutness...  wha?   23:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - is this EngVar? Forty two looks fine to me and to the Guardian, and is of course the Ultimate Answer. 40 2-cylinder engines sounds interesting. 42-cylinder engines seems to side-step such problems niftily so I would go along with Grutness' suggestion of renaming the others. Oculi (talk) 09:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Procedural alternative nomination, option B. (I do not have a preference myself.) Marcocapelle (talk) 19:07, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ten-cylinder engines to Category:10-cylinder engines
 * Propose renaming Category:Twelve-cylinder engines to Category:12-cylinder engines
 * Propose renaming Category:Fourteen-cylinder engines to Category:14-cylinder engines
 * Propose renaming Category:Sixteen-cylinder engines to Category:16-cylinder engines
 * Propose renaming Category:Eighteen-cylinder engines to Category:18-cylinder engines
 * Propose renaming Category:Twenty-cylinder engines to Category:20-cylinder engines
 * Propose renaming Category:Twenty four-cylinder engines to Category:24-cylinder engines


 * Support option B, as above, per WP:MOSNUMERAL (which supports forty-two rather than forty two, and allows forty-two or 42 - still, 42 seems better to me). Oculi (talk) 22:16, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support option B, for clarity, brevity and simplicity. Have all the categories been tagged? -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with BHG. Rathfelder (talk) 20:13, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Option B per above. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)  21:08, 14 August 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Adult films

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting adult films
 * Nominator's rationale: This is an inherently subjective category, and it's also indistinguishable from a euphemism for pornography (which has its own category tree). NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:03, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment, previously the parent Category:Adult entertainment was deleted in this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Procedural comment, this should be nominated together with its American, Australian and Canadian subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american adult films
 * Propose deleting australian adult films
 * Propose deleting canadian adult films
 * I have tagged the three subcategories too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:54, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Lets not have euphemistic categories. Rathfelder (talk) 20:19, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete This is normally a euphamism for "pornographic films", which we have an actual category for.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:18, 20 August 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Olympic glider pilots

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep top level category (Category:Glider pilots at the 1936 Summer Olympics), delete all other subcats..  bibliomaniac  1  5  17:56, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting olympic glider pilots
 * Nominator's rationale: This was a demonstration sport in the 1936 Olympics only. There's just one pilot (Alexandru Papană) in the four subcategories, which should also be deleted: Clarityfiend (talk) 03:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 2nd category: Category:Olympic glider pilots by country
 * 3rd category: Category:Olympic glider pilots of Romania
 * 4th category: Category:Olympic glider pilots by year
 * 5th category: Category:Glider pilots at the 1936 Summer Olympics


 * Delete all per nom. As a side note, according to this list, 21 people took part in the demonstration sport, and Papană is not listed as one of them. I doubt if any of the others are notable, apart from Ignaz Stiefsohn, who was killed in a crash in the event.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 06:33, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hanna Reitsch is most definitely notable. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected! In that case, keep the top-level category, and bin the rest.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:11, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep one top category. Delete (or upmerge) the rest.  We do not need a complicated structure for a demonstration sport.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:27, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Possibly add Hanna Reitsch to Category:Summer Olympics competitors for Germany (although the article does not even mention the Olympics). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


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