Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 August 26



Footballers by city in Israel
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Category:Sierra Nevada
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Early Modern Aragonese and Castilian kings
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Category:Art museums and galleries in the United States

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: merge/rename all.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:58, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Art galleries in the United States and Category:Art museums in the United States to Category:Art museums and galleries in the United States
 * Propose deleting Category:Art museums in the United States by state
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Alabama and Category:Art galleries in Alabama to Category:Art museums and galleries in Alabama
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Alaska to Category:Art museums and galleries in Alaska
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Arizona and Category:Art galleries in Arizona to Category:Art museums and galleries in Arizona
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Arkansas to Category:Art museums and galleries in Arkansas
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in California and Category:Art galleries in California to Category:Art museums and galleries in California
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Colorado and Category:Art galleries in Colorado to Category:Art museums and galleries in Colorado
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Connecticut and Category:Art galleries in Connecticut to Category:Art museums and galleries in Connecticut
 * Propose renaming Category:Art museums in Delaware to Category:Art museums and galleries in Delaware
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Florida and Category:Art galleries in Florida to Category:Art museums and galleries in Florida
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Georgia (U.S. state) and Category:Art galleries in Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:Art museums and galleries in Georgia (U.S. state)
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Hawaii and Category:Art galleries in Hawaii to Category:Art museums and galleries in Hawaii
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Idaho to Category:Art museums and galleries in Idaho
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Illinois and Category:Art galleries in Illinois to Category:Art museums and galleries in Illinois
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Indiana and Category:Art galleries in Indiana to Category:Art museums and galleries in Indiana
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Iowa to Category:Art museums and galleries in Iowa
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Kansas and Category:Art galleries in Kansas to Category:Art museums and galleries in Kansas
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Kentucky and Category:Art galleries in Kentucky to Category:Art museums and galleries in Kentucky
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Louisiana and Category:Art galleries in Louisiana to Category:Art museums and galleries in Louisiana
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Maine and Category:Art galleries in Maine to Category:Art museums and galleries in Maine
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Maryland and Category:Art galleries in Maryland to Category:Art museums and galleries in Maryland
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Massachusetts and Category:Art galleries in Massachusetts to Category:Art museums and galleries in Massachusetts
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Michigan and Category:Art galleries in Michigan to Category:Art museums and galleries in Michigan
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Minnesota and Category:Art galleries in Minnesota to Category:Art museums and galleries in Minnesota
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Mississippi to Category:Art museums and galleries in Mississippi
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Missouri to Category:Art museums and galleries in Missouri
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Montana to Category:Art museums and galleries in Montana
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Nebraska to Category:Art museums and galleries in Nebraska
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Nevada to Category:Art museums and galleries in Nevada
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in New Hampshire and Category:Art galleries in New Hampshire to Category:Art museums and galleries in New Hampshire
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in New Jersey and Category:Art galleries in New Jersey to Category:Art museums and galleries in New Jersey
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in New Mexico to Category:Art museums and galleries in New Mexico
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in New York (state) and Category:Art galleries in New York (state) to Category:Art museums and galleries in New York (state)
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in North Carolina and Category:Art galleries in North Carolina to Category:Art museums and galleries in North Carolina
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in North Dakota to Category:Art museums and galleries in North Dakota
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Ohio and Category:Art galleries in Ohio to Category:Art museums and galleries in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Oklahoma to Category:Art museums and galleries in Oklahoma
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Oregon and Category:Art galleries in Massachusetts to Category:Art museums and galleries in Massachusetts
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Pennsylvania and Category:Art galleries in Pennsylvania to Category:Art museums and galleries in Pennsylvania
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Rhode Island and Category:Art galleries in Rhode Island to Category:Art museums and galleries in Rhode Island
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in South Carolina and Category:Art galleries in South Carolina to Category:Art museums and galleries in South Carolina
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in South Dakota and Category:Art galleries in South Dakota to Category:Art museums and galleries in South Dakota
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Tennessee and Category:Art galleries in Tennessee to Category:Art museums and galleries in Tennessee
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Texas and Category:Art galleries in Texas to Category:Art museums and galleries in Texas
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Utah to Category:Art museums and galleries in Utah
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Vermont and Category:Art galleries in Vermont to Category:Art museums and galleries in Vermont
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Virginia and Category:Art galleries in Virginia to Category:Art museums and galleries in Virginia
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Washington (state) and Category:Art galleries in Washington (state) to Category:Art museums and galleries in Washington (state)
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in West Virginia and Category:Art galleries in West Virginia to Category:Art museums and galleries in West Virginia
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Wisconsin and Category:Art galleries in Wisconsin to Category:Art museums and galleries in Wisconsin
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Wyoming to Category:Art museums and galleries in Wyoming
 * Propose renaming Category:Art museums in Guam to Category:Art museums and galleries in Guam
 * Propose renaming Category:Art museums in Puerto Rico to Category:Art museums and galleries in Puerto Rico
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Washington, D.C. and Category:Art galleries in Washington, D.C. to Category:Art museums and galleries in Washington, D.C.
 * Propose merging Category:Art galleries in Los Angeles to Category:Art museums and galleries in Los Angeles
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in San Francisco and Category:Art galleries in San Francisco to Category:Art museums and galleries in San Francisco
 * Propose merging Category:Art galleries in Chicago to Category:Art museums and galleries in Chicago
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in New York City and Category:Art galleries in New York City to Category:Art museums and galleries in New York City
 * Propose renaming Category:Art galleries in the Bronx to Category:Art museums and galleries in the Bronx
 * Propose renaming Category:Art galleries in Brooklyn to Category:Art museums and galleries in Brooklyn
 * Propose renaming Category:Art galleries in Manhattan to Category:Art museums and galleries in Manhattan
 * Propose renaming Category:Art galleries in Queens, New York to Category:Art museums and galleries in Queens, New York
 * Propose merging Category:Defunct art galleries in the United States to Category:Defunct art museums and galleries in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Defunct art galleries in Boston to Category:Defunct art museums and galleries in Boston
 * Propose renaming Category:Defunct art galleries in California to Category:Defunct art museums and galleries in California
 * Propose renaming Category:Defunct art galleries in New York (state) to Category:Defunct art museums and galleries in New York (state)
 * Propose renaming Category:Defunct art galleries in New York City to Category:Defunct art museums and galleries in New York City
 * Propose renaming Category:Defunct art galleries in Manhattan to Category:Defunct art museums and galleries in Manhattan
 * Propose merging Category:Art museums in Philadelphia and Category:Art galleries in Philadelphia to Category:Art museums and galleries in Philadelphia
 * Propose merging Category:Art galleries in Detroit to Category:Art museums and galleries in Detroit
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in the United States to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in California to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in California
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Colorado to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Colorado
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Delaware to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Delaware
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Georgia (U.S. state)
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Illinois to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Illinois
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Indiana to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Indiana
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Kansas to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Kansas
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Kentucky to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Kentucky
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Louisiana to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Louisiana
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Maryland to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Maryland
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Massachusetts to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Massachusetts
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Michigan to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Michigan
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Minnesota to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Minnesota
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Mississippi to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Mississippi
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Nebraska to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Nebraska
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in New Mexico to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in New Mexico
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in New York to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in New York (state)
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in North Carolina to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in North Carolina
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Tennessee to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Tennessee
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Texas to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Texas
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Utah to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Utah
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Vermont to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Vermont
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in Virginia to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in Virginia
 * Propose renaming Category:Folk art museums in West Virginia to Category:Folk art museums and galleries in West Virginia
 * Propose renaming Category:Glass museums in the United States to Category:Glass museums and galleries in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Inconsistent tree scheme when compared to Category:Art museums and galleries. Both Category:Art museums and Category:Art galleries redirect to Category:Art museums and galleries. Previous discussions resulted in this precedent. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:20, 26 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Support - the nom is correct. Category:Art museums and galleries in the United States is the container of all these, Category:Art museums in the United States and Category:Art galleries in the United States are not part of overall 'by country' trees. Oculi (talk) 16:00, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support for consistency across countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:42, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support The reader interested in one state category would likely be interested in the other and this creates consistency. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support for consistency and inclusiveness. Grutness... wha?   04:28, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and other users above. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 10:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Query Isn't this similar to the "squares and plazas" nomination? Why does one nom get to retain the synonyms but the other nom does not? Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:56, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not really a fair comparison. A square and a plaza are essentially the same thing. An art museum is a public or private collection open to the public, whereas an art gallery is usually a commercial operation with art for sale (although it is still sometimes used to refer to an art museum). As such they are different things, but for the sake of categorisation it makes sense to group them together. Grutness... wha?   03:41, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge -- It looks to me as if there may almost be an ENGVAR issue here. In England many art galleries are museums, not art sales establsihments, though these are also called galleries.  I would suggest merging all non-sales galleries in US into "art museums" and explicitly reserving "art galleries" for establishments selling art.  This seems to reflect the majority of the content.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:03, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support – The renaming could have been speedied per C2C. MClay1 (talk) 01:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Shia Muslim scholars

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to option A, Category:Shia scholars of Islam. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:12, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Shia Muslim scholars to Category:Shia scholars of Islam or Category:Shia Islamic scholars
 * Nominator's rationale: rename to avoid the misunderstanding that this might be for Muslim people who are scholars of in any kind of subject like chemistry or linguistics. It is intended for scholars in Islam only.
 * Option A Category:Shia scholars of Islam to align with parent Category:Muslim scholars of Islam.
 * Option B Category:Shia Islamic scholars which seems to be a slightly more WP:COMMONNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:50, 25 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Category:Shia Muslim scholars to Category:Shia Muslim Islamic scholars, C2D per List of Shia Muslim Islamic scholars. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:54, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose speedy. less than a month ago, so C2D does not apply. Also, Muslim and Islamic is uselessly redundant. Place Clichy (talk) 14:03, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose speedy I agree Muslim and Islamic are not both necessary, because Islamic covers the fact that they are Muslim, however I would support renaming to 'Shia Islamic Scholars' as Muslim scholars includes both Muslims who have studied secular courses and Ulama, whereas Islamic scholars refers to Ulama. Amirah   talk  22:23, 18 June 2021 (UTC)


 * pinging contributors to earlier speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Option B is IMHO a must. We can't set Shia scholars of Islam as the contrary of Muslim scholars of Islam; both Shia and Sunni are Muslims even if they fight/hate each other. (Europe hat the same in the 17th century: a war of 30 years devastating many lands.) --Just N. (talk) 13:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a misunderstanding: Category:Muslim scholars of Islam is not a sibling category but it is the parent category of the nominated category. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:47, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  01:54, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note  - the parent has been changed from Category:Muslim scholars of Islam to Category:Islamic scholars since the cfd was listed: diff. Oculi (talk) 02:12, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, see this follow-up nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:40, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note on relisting: that follow-up nomination was closed with no consensus on merging Category:Islamic scholars to Category:Muslim scholars of Islam. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:02, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Option A It is the only of the two options which defines their area of study. "Islamic scholar" does not limit their scholarship to religious studies. Dimadick (talk) 04:53, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * How about Category:Scholars of Shia Islam? Peterkingiron (talk) 16:05, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That is a category for scholars regardless their religious background. The nominated category is specifically for Shia Muslims. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:15, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Han dynasty people related to the Three Kingdoms

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:04, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Han dynasty people related to the Three Kingdoms to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose renaming Category:Han dynasty eunuchs related to the Three Kingdoms to Category:Eunuchs during the end of the Han dynasty - added on relisting
 * Propose renaming Category:Han dynasty imperials related to the Three Kingdoms to Category:Imperials during the end of the Han dynasty - added on relisting
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, the current category name is entirely unclear. The Three Kingdoms proper start in 220 after the formal fall of the Han dynasty. Historians sometimes also include the last decenniums of the Han dynasty in the "period of the Three Kingdoms" concept because the Han dynasty did not have much power in its end phase and China suffered from local warlords in that period too. That being said, "related to the Three Kingdoms" suggests related to those three states (emerging in 220), not to a period. People during the end of the Han dynasty is more simple and more accurate. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:47, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: adding sub-cats
 * Tentative support. I am far from certain which decades can be defined as part of the dynasty's end. But extending the Three Kingdoms period to preceding events and people seems questionable. Dimadick (talk) 21:49, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note on relisting: I have added two subcats. The other subcat already uses the target form, and there is an article End of the Han dynasty. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:05, 26 August 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Khakas people
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Category:Khakas cuisine
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Category:Khakas musical instruments
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Category:Deaths in Cairo

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:47, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting deaths in cairo

Added to the nomination at a later date


 * Category:Deaths in Baghdad
 * Category:Deaths in Damascus
 * Category:Deaths in Madrid
 * Category:Deaths in Rome
 * Category:Deaths in Libreville
 * Category:Deaths in Tehran
 * Category:Deaths in Baranagar
 * Category:Death in Attock District
 * Category:Death in Wazirabad
 * Category:Death in Sialkot
 * Category:Death in Multan
 * Nominator's rationale: Per a similar recent example, we don't cat people based on where they died.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 15:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: if you’re doing that Category, then you could include Category:Deaths in Baghdad and Category:Deaths in Greater London too. Thepharoah17 (talk) 15:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * and Category:Deaths in Damascus Thepharoah17 (talk) 15:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: and you can also include Category:Deaths in Paris 156.204.234.84 (talk) 15:51, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * and Category:Deaths in Madrid Thepharoah17 (talk) 15:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * and Category:Deaths in Rome Thepharoah17 (talk) 15:57, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - despite claims in the recent cfd, there are plenty of similar categories; see eg Category:Deaths in England by region. Oculi (talk) 16:01, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all, if this is about where people lived, they are or should be in a "from" category; while if it is not where they lived, the location of death is trivial, e.g. a hospital or nursing home. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:01, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Procedural follow-up, I have also tagged Category:Deaths in Baghdad, Category:Deaths in Damascus, Category:Deaths in Madrid and Category:Deaths in Rome. I am assuming, because Category:Deaths in Greater London and Category:Deaths in Paris also contain subcategories, that they should be nominated separately. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Obviously I also support deletion of those tagged categories.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 06:28, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Procedural relisting in light of other categories added/tagged at a later date. I've reformatted the nomination to more clearly state what is up for potential deletion.
 * I agree with Marcocapelle.  Rathfelder (talk) 20:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all per Marcocapelle. --Just N. (talk) 20:51, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all per Marcocapelle. Thepharoah17 (talk) 12:54, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And you can add Category:Deaths in Libreville too. Thepharoah17 (talk) 13:10, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And Category:Deaths in Tehran. Thepharoah17 (talk) 13:19, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And Category:Deaths in Baranagar, Category:Death in Attock District, Category:Death in Wazirabad, Category:Death in Sialkot, and Category:Death in Multan
 * Delete The location of someone's death is not defining. In the modern age with easy travel it can be downright trivial.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Procedural follow-up, I have also tagged the categories mentioned by User:Thepharoah17 today 20 August. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:57, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all, speedy close per Marcocapelle. Kiro Bassem (talk) 17:29, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  04:53, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep All We do categorize people by where they were killed (by murder or other violence), where were they executed (and by whose authority), and expatriates who were murdered abroad. The location of someone's death is more defining that where they lived or what their occupation was (I certainly don't care about the occupations or backgrounds of murder victims). The main problem is that the categories above should be container categories with more developed subcategories, rather than stand-alone categories. Dimadick (talk) 05:00, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The nominated categories are not about murders, executions and so on. They are about people who died a normal death. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Which reminds me of the Abbott and Costello gag. Somebody is threatening to kill Lou and asks how he wished to die. His reply? "Old age"....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:04, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all per Marcocapelle. 197.52.233.17 (talk) 11:43, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:04, 4 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia variable-like templates
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Category:Segunda División RFEF players

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  02:26, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Segunda División B players to Category:Segunda División RFEF players
 * Propose renaming Category:Segunda División B managers to Category:Segunda División RFEF managers
 * Nominator's rationale: Division changed name, main page was already renamed. BRDude70  ( talk ) 22:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 11:33, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose - if the Segunda División B has been renamed as Segunda División RFEF, then all sub-categories in need to be changed to the new name. However,  has created ...thinking about it, I think the Segunda División B article (dealing with the Spanish third tier up to 2021) should be separate to the Segunda División RFEF article (which is the Spanish fourth tier after 2021). Articles/categories etc. should not be created or moved or anything until this is properly dealt with at WT:FOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 11:37, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * you see LOL? Each time people look at it, they can take a different view on it. It's been brought up before here, I appreciate I kinda went against your advice there – which was that Segunda B and Segunda RFEF were a continuation – and made a new season cat tree, but the reason was that the existing Category:Segunda División B had Category:Third level football leagues in Europe which is no longer the case going forward (it has since been removed, nothing to do with me that one, will need to get looked at as part of this) so do we instead re-name that and have both 'third level' and 'fourth level' in its descriptive cats? If we continue that pattern, Tercera Division in its three eras will require 'third level', 'fourth level' and 'fifth level' for its overview. I'm not saying that shouldn't happen, but just something to take into consideration looking at the reorganisation overall and what we want the divisions to show. On a related note (although maybe this isn't the place – can just move it all to the FOOTBALL project page I suppose), why do we have separate player categories for all the Spanish divisions and also, for example, Category:Footballers in Germany by competition including 1. and 2. Bundesliga seprately, but English and Scottish football up to the 1990s is simply Football League/Scottish Football League players? A big task to split them up and probably unnecessary, but then why do we have them for different countries? I know for a fact that La Liga and Segunda Division in Spain are under the same umbrella, with lower levels under a different body, and pretty certain that is the same for Germany with the top two tiers (the 3rd seems to be separate). Shouldn't they all be under a common category? Crowsus (talk) 12:23, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  04:28, 26 August 2021 (UTC)


 * As agreed, no need for this anymore, articles will remain separated. BRDude70  ( talk ) 22:25, 8 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Tercera División RFEF players

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  02:26, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Tercera División players to Category:Tercera División RFEF players
 * Propose renaming Category:Tercera División managers to Category:Tercera División RFEF managers
 * Nominator's rationale: Division changed name, main page was already renamed. BRDude70  ( talk ) 22:08, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 11:33, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Oppose - as per below, articles/categories etc. should not be created or moved or anything until this is properly dealt with at WT:FOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 11:38, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  04:28, 26 August 2021 (UTC)


 * It seems that Tercera División and Tercera División RFEF are two different things, so I am confused by nominator's statement that the main page was renamed. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * see Talk:Tercera División RFEF, which saw the old article about Tercera División moved to Tercera División RFEF. For some reason, rather than undoing the move and creating a new article about the new Tercera División RFEF, has simply created a new article about the old Tercera División. So the 'Tercera División' history is actually currently at Tercera División RFEF; this needs sorting by somebody not INVOLVED. GiantSnowman 18:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)


 * As agreed, no need for this anymore, articles will remain separated. BRDude70  ( talk ) 22:25, 8 September 2021 (UTC)


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