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Category:Upcoming massively multiplayer online role-playing games
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Category:Upcoming video games related to anime and manga
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Canadian Métis by province

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all. No major objections to the proposal.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging métis people from alberta to
 * Propose merging métis people from british columbia to
 * Propose merging métis people from manitoba to
 * Propose merging métis people from the northwest territories to
 * Propose merging métis people from quebec to
 * Propose merging métis people from saskatchewan to
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection of ethnicity with individual Canadian province of residence. Wikipedia does not have an established practice of subdividing "[Nationality] people of [ethnicity] descent" categories by individual province or state of residence, and there's no compelling reason to start now. The individual province that a person happens to come from does not define their ethnic heritage any differently; there's the added problem here that there's a very real tension in Canadian society around the precise definition of Métis, because it's an identity that tends to get claimed by anybody who can locate any evidence whatsoever of a genealogical ancestor hundreds of years ago whom they believe to have been First Nations, without regard to whether they have any personal cultural or social connection to a true Métis community or not (see e.g. Michelle Latimer, Joseph Boyden) — which means that it can sometimes be a matter of debate as to whether a person has any rightful claim to labelling themselves as "Métis". (Especially in Quebec, where there is no recognized Métis nation for a person to be part of at all.) Size of the parent category won't be much impacted by merging, as most people in the subcategories were left in the parent category alongside the new subcategory, although I'm listing this as a merge nomination just so that nobody accidentally slips through the cracks. If subcategorization of the parent is desired in the future, it should be by occupation rather than by province of residence. Bearcat (talk) 18:59, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge all per nom.--User:Namiba 12:35, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian Jews by province

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete except for Category:Jews from Quebec.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting canadian jews by province
 * Propose deleting jews from alberta
 * Propose deleting jews from british columbia
 * Propose deleting jews from manitoba
 * Propose deleting jews from ontario
 * Propose deleting jews from quebec
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection of ethnicity with individual Canadian province of residence. Wikipedia does not have an established practice of subdividing "[Nationality] people of [ethnicity] descent" categories by individual province or state of residence, and there's no compelling reason to start now. The individual province that a person happens to come from does not define their practice of Judaism any differently. Bearcat (talk) 18:59, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Quebec. The history of Jews in Quebec is unique and is a topic of historical interest. For example, This book, published by the University of Ottawa Press this year, discusses this unique history over 475 pages. Montreal's large Jewish population has a full-length Wikipedia article.--User:Namiba 10:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Quebec, I agree with User:Namiba. Rathfelder (talk) 14:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, I too agree with User:Namiba plus support keeping for all provinces. I have extensive knowledge of the Jewish business class and their very substantial contributions to the Quebec economy as well as Ontario, and B.C. One day soon this gentile hopes to/will contribute to existing as well as new articles. Stretchrunner II (talk) 13:40, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep where there are at least 5 articles. Bearcat is wrong.  There are numerous categories of the Booian of Fooian descent type.  The fooian element is sometimes a nationality and sometimes an ethnicity.  Furthermore being a Jew is likely to be religious as well as ethnic.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:00, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not wrong: there may be "numerous categories of the Booian of Fooian descent type", but I didn't say there weren't and that has nothing to do with these. There most certainly are not numerous categories of the "Boo-subdivided-by-individual-province-or-state of Fooian descent" type: such categories exist at the level of countries, and not at the level of individual provinces or states within countries. Bearcat (talk) 00:57, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There are dozens of subcategories in Category:Ethnic groups in the United States by state.--User:Namiba 16:05, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * None of which are categorizing individual people by the intersection of ethnic group with individual state. That tree consists of articles about communities and cultural histories, not biographies of individual people. Bearcat (talk) 04:32, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Category:African Americans by state, Category:Jewish Americans by state, and Category:Hispanic and Latino American people by state beg to differ.--User:Namiba 12:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Support in principle per WP:OCEGRS, possibly with the exception of Quebec. Note that straight deletion incidentally will lead to loss of articles in the Canadian Jews tree, e.g. in the case of Neve Campbell. I am not sure if there is an automated way to avoid that. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Neve Campbell is already in, and thus her direct addition to alongside that would run afoul of duplicate categorization rules. I'll grant that some caution may be needed to ensure that people are upmerged back to "Canadian Jews" if they aren't already filed in one or more "Jewish Canadian X" subcategories, but a blanket upmerge of all articles here wouldn't be useful. Bearcat (talk) 15:14, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish families
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Category:People from Manitoba by ethnic or national origin
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Category:People with migraine
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Category:Safavid governors of Barda

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Safavid governors of Barda to Category:Safavid governors and Category:People from Barda, Azerbaijan
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:12, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia books (user books)
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Category:DC Comics Western characters

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:DC Comics Western (genre) characters.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:DC Comics Western characters to Category:DC Comics Western (genre) characters
 * Nominator's rationale: to include genre for consistency and to avoid any ambiguity. No Great Shaker (talk) 11:07, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Support – This could probably have been speedied per C2C. MClay1 (talk) 14:42, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support To clarify the genre. Dimadick (talk) 20:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Urdu-speaking people

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting urdu-speaking people
 * Propose deleting urdu-speaking communities
 * Propose deleting urdu-speaking diaspora
 * Nominator's rationale: Created by the user as a way to disruptively move the cats for Muhajir people (Category:Muhajir people, Category:Muhajir communities, Category:Muhajir diaspora) without discussion, as shown by their behavior in replacing the former with the newly created ones in multiple articles. This is compounded with their disruptive moves and edits in the main article space to completely expunge the word "Muhajir" from multiple articles (see ANI). Gotitbro (talk) 03:58, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

I am not an expert but Muhajir people seems to refer to a Pakistani community who migrated from India at Partition. Those who did not migrate are not a diaspora, since they are where they have long been. I suspect the right solution is to merge some of the Muhajir categories into Urdu-speaking ones. As I say I am not an expert. I hope this discussion will attract someone who does know and comes to this without his (or her) own agenda. We can certainly lose at least one of those nominated. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:18, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. With respect to the first category, while we have a tree for people by language they should contain biographies, not topic articles. There is also Category:Urdu-speaking people by occupation which does contain biographies, so that one is probably sufficient. With respect to the other two nominated categories, we do not have any communities or diaspora categories by language, only by ethnicity. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:28, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment -- Urdu is a diglot between Hindi and Persian with a good deal of Arabic, just as English is a diglot between German and Latin/French. It was the language of a Muslim ruling class in pre-British India.  As such it is widely spoken by Muslims throughout South Asia.


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2010s music videos categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:2010s music videos.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:39, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging to Category:2010s music videos:
 * Category:2010 music videos
 * Category:2011 music videos
 * Category:2012 music videos
 * Category:2013 music videos
 * Category:2018 music videos
 * Nominator's rationale: These five categories combined contain 7 articles and 6 redirects to Basshunter songs: one category contains 3 articles, one category contains 2 articles, two categories contain 1 article each, and one category has only redirects. Trivialist (talk) 03:51, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Support Merging to a wider category. Dimadick (talk) 20:08, 1 September 2021 (UTC)


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2000s music videos categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:2000s music videos.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:39, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging to Category:2000s music videos:
 * Category:2002 music videos
 * Category:2006 music videos
 * Category:2007 music videos
 * Category:2008 music videos
 * Category:2009 music videos


 * Nominator's rationale: These five categories combined contain 4 articles and 11 redirects to Basshunter songs: two categories contain one article, one contains two articles, and two no articles, only redirects. Trivialist (talk) 03:35, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Support Merging to a wider category. Dimadick (talk) 20:08, 1 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Popular culture about the United States Marine Corps

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Works about the United States Marine Corps.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Popular culture about the United States Marine Corps to Category:United States Marine Corps in popular culture
 * Nominator's rationale: This category was renamed in a batch as a result of this discussion in 2018. It was one of only two categories in the batch that contained "popular culture", and many other popular culture categories were not included. Its inclusion seems like a mistake, and the new name is awkward and possibly nonsensical. No redirect should be left if it's moved back. MClay1 (talk) 03:29, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Alt merge to Category:Works about the United States Marine Corps, consistent with the one below. Purge the Fictional personnel subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:53, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Alt merge per Marcocapelle's proposal. Wider scope. Dimadick (talk) 20:10, 1 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Popular culture about unicorns

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Works about unicorns.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Popular culture about unicorns to Category:Unicorns in popular culture
 * Nominator's rationale: This category was renamed in a batch as a result of this discussion in 2018. It was one of only two categories in the batch that contained "popular culture", and many other popular culture categories were not included. Its inclusion seems like a mistake, and the new name is awkward and possibly nonsensical. The old name was better and matched the other categories Category:Legendary creatures in popular culture. No redirect should be left. MClay1 (talk) 03:26, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Alt rename to Category:Works about unicorns, especially because there is more than popular culture in the category: two articles are about sculptures and one is about a painting. Add Category:Works about animals as a parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:50, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * While Category:Works about unicorns would be a more appropriate name for including artworks and the like, it also narrows the scope in terms of excluding articles about popular culture that are not related to works, e.g. Unicorn Frappuccino and Unicorn Trend. If it were renamed per your suggestion, Category:Works about legendary creatures would be the more appropriate parent (rather than Category:Works about animals). However, there are currently only two subcategories for works about specific legendary creatures in there, compared to over 20 subcategories about specific legendary creatures in popular culture in Category:Legendary creatures in popular culture. The two works categories (Category:Works about dragons and Category:Works about yōkai) also have popular culture categories (Category:Dragons in popular culture and Category:Yōkai in popular culture). Perhaps this situation requires a restructure, but unless that happens, it seems more appropriate to rename the unicorn category inline with the most common category structure. MClay1 (talk) 13:15, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Alt rename per Marcocapelle's proposal. Wider scope. Dimadick (talk) 20:11, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Alt rename to Category:Works about unicorns per Marcocapelle -- Lenticel ( talk ) 08:38, 5 September 2021 (UTC)


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