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Category:Intrastate ABC templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:40, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Change to titles removing the word "Intrastate". Some have C2D changes applied, originally suggested by. A new parent category for all but NPR, Category:United States television navigational boxes by network affiliation or format, would be created with this change.
 * Propose renaming Category:Intrastate American Broadcasting Company templates to Category:American Broadcasting Company affiliate navigational boxes

The proposed title for the NPR box matches other subcategories of Category:United States radio by format templates. The same inspiration is used for the religious and Spanish categories.


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Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:29, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Support. These changes seem to better define the scope of the categories and include the C2D changes I've previously requested. Gonnym (talk) 17:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Edited to reflect moves of several cats per C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 20:51, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Category:NPR member stations by state templates, Category:United States religious television stations by state templates, and Category:United States Spanish-language television stations by state templates should also be renamed with the suffix "navigational boxes".--Gonnym (talk) 10:06, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Will change to reflect this. A large volume of CfDS requests is on deck to accommodate this change on the radio side. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 18:30, 18 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Arizona mass media people

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: The pattern "Mass media people from    " is used for all the similar categories for other states. KConWiki (talk) 16:50, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Arizona mass media people to Category:Mass media people from Arizona
 * Should have requested this as speedy C2C. Gonnym (talk) 17:36, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Where do I go to do that? KConWiki (talk) 18:02, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That is at WP:CFDS. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge - this is an obvious duplicate so could be speedied here (per convention in Category:American mass media people by state). Oculi (talk) 21:46, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Any admin can close this (if unopposed) after 48 hrs per Applying speedy criteria in full discussions. Oculi (talk) 13:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Question: So can we just do this here or do we need to take it over to the C2C mentioned above? KConWiki (talk) 14:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Any admin can do this here and now, whereas at speedy it will take another 48 hours (from first listing). Having said this I don't recall any CfD discussion being closed citing speedy criteria. Oculi (talk) 22:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Myanmar's First

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete per consensus, unanimously.  Doczilla  @SUPERHEROLOGIST 01:00, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: First of what? Tried some searching if there is such a group or list but nothing. Could be a WP:OR of the creator by listing those Burmese people who were first at something (first to receive this award (May Nwae), first prime minister (U Nu), etc.) '''Engr. Smitty  Werben''' 15:00, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting myanmar's first
 * Support, the entries are for the first Myanmar person to do something. But Wikipedia is not Guinness.-- Mvqr (talk) 17:21, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's a similar category at mywiki, probably the inspiration for this one, that has more than 60 articles. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 17:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:ISO 639 code from name templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: soft merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Should be merged into Category:ISO 639 templates. Gonnym (talk) 09:32, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:ISO 639 code from name templates to Category:ISO 639 name from code templates
 * the rationale is a bit confusing, if only because a non-existing target is mentioned. Why should it be merged? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * One category has one template, the other 2. No real value in two categories here (there used to be more templates that were deleted over the years). Gonnym (talk) 06:45, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Midwest Region Intrastate Broadcast Templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:31, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Along with the two renames listed below and the merger of the Southwest and Northwest templates listed in the next item, part of a rescoping of these categories to use U.S. Census Bureau regions and be appropriately titled.
 * Propose renaming Category:Midwest Region Intrastate Broadcast Templates to Category:Midwestern United States mass media navigational boxes

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The state changes that would be made as a result of the redefined scope are as follows: Montana moved from Midwest to West; Oklahoma moved from Midwest to South; DC, Maryland, and Delaware moved from Northeast to South. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:44, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Gonnym (talk) 09:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Northwest Region Intrastate Broadcast Templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/rename as nominated. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:28, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Combined category name would be Western United States mass media navigational boxes. Part of a rescoping of the regional boxes to use U.S. Census Bureau regions. Several subcats would be moved from one region to the other to suit. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:40, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Northwest Region Intrastate Broadcast Templates to Category:Southwest Region intrastate broadcast templates
 * Propose renaming Category:Southwest Region intrastate broadcast templates to Category:Western United States mass media navigational boxes (added 3 January)


 * Support per nom. Gonnym (talk) 09:13, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I have only tagged the Southwest category page today. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:51, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Fayenatic london Some of the cat pages in the nom at the top of the 12/14 page (Intrastate ABC templates) lost their tags when some other CfDS actions were taken. Should they be retagged? Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 20:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. Yes – Done. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:39, 3 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Regional Intrastate Broadcast templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:23, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: This name better reflects the scope of the category and is more in line with country-level categories. Gonnym (talk) 08:33, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Regional Intrastate Broadcast templates to Category:United States mass media navigational boxes by region


 * Support per nom. This category and subcats are the only place "intrastate" is used in any category titles. Better titles are to be had for all of them. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 08:38, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Time Zone Intrastate Broadcast templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: WP:SOFTDELETE as an apparently sound rationale gathered no other participation. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:21, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: This is the only category tree for templates by time zone on the encyclopedia. It is redundant to others (most of the ultimate categories here are in a subcat of Category:United States mass media navigational boxes) and should be deleted. USTimeZoneTemplates is being TfDed in a related action.
 * Propose deleting time zone intrastate broadcast templates

To be deleted alongside it are its nine immediate child categories:

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:12, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * alaska time zone intrastate broadcast templates‎
 * atlantic time zone intrastate broadcast templates‎
 * central time zone intrastate broadcast templates‎
 * chamorro time zone intrastate broadcast templates‎
 * eastern time zone intrastate broadcast templates‎
 * hawaii-aleutian time zone intrastate broadcast templates‎
 * mountain time zone intrastate broadcast templates‎
 * pacific time zone intrastate broadcast templates‎
 * samoa time zone intrastate broadcast templates‎


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Category:Hindu mythological television series

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:17, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Hindu mythological television series to Category:Hindu mythology in popular culture and Category:Hindu television
 * Oppose 1. (3 C, 28 P)! 2. There are surely lots of possible mythological Indian TV series contents that are not about Hindu deities. --Just N. (talk) 20:38, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * (3 C, 28 P) refers to Category:Indian television series about Hindu deities but that is not the category that has been nominated. The issue here is not whether there is more content in general, but whether there is more content outside India and that will be very limited. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:43, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Objection: contrary to Marco's statement the name of the nominated category doesn't have any hint that only non-Indian TV contents are counting! Although I'm in no way a Bollywood fan I'm quite sure that a lot of TV stuff about Hindu mythological contents even in English should exist even if I don't know where in America, UK, Australia, NZ I should search for it. BBC perhaps? Comparative religuious studies? So I still think it's not a good idea to wipe it out per CfD. --Just N. (talk) 21:39, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  03:59, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Just N. provides a very hypothetical objection, even if non-Indian Hindu mythological television series would exist (which remains to be seen) they may not be notable. Fact is that right now there isn't any article next to the one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment -- Not all Hindu myth is necessarily mainly about deities. Category:Indian television series about Hindu myths would be needed as aspects of Mahabaratha concern mortals of a legendary period.  I expect there are (Non-TV) films too.  Category:Foreign media about Hindu myth with "foreign" being defined in a headnote as not from south Asia might also be needed.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I would not have a problem with changing the scope and name of the subcategory, but that would require a different nomination. Neither would I have a problem with creating new categories, but that is also beyond the scope of this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:06, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Elliot See

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:16, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Delete I dispute that it as appropriate to have a category for this minor astronaut Elliot See: a classic example of WP:OVERCAT. There is no Category:Michael J. Adams for Michael J. Adams, for instance; many other negative examples, especially outside of the United States (see WP:CSB). UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:08, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting elliot see
 * Delete per nom. There are similar categories about astronauts that could be co-nominated; for example Category:David Scott, Category:Gus Grissom, Category:Ed White (astronaut) etc. Lettlerhello • contribs 04:02, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Those have stronger keep justification IMHO, so don't look to me, though I'll !vote if I come across them in a future nom. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:16, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep No value rationale given for deletion. Speedy deletion was requested under CS1 (empty category) but the category was not empty. Now WP:OVERCAT is claimed, but nominator does not specify which clause is the relevant one. Category:David Scott has sixteen pages, Category:Gus Grissom has twelve. I don't think all astronauts require categories, nor that the fact that some of them do warrants creation for all of them, but I do contend that the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo astronauts are sufficiently covered to warrant them.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  04:21, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Hawkeye's reasoning. See's role in the early space age was certainly much less than Scott's, Grissom's, White's, and the other giants of spaceflight, yet as a prominent Gemini participant, a member of several Gemini mission backup and support crews, and as a member of the historical NASA Astronaut Group 2, he did his share to shape the program. See is memorialized both on the Moon and on Earth. Would have to read quite a bit better justification for removal of the category considering the era involved. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:39, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete pages like Space Mirror Memorial shouldn't be in this category just because he is one of the 20 people on the monument. Once the incorrectly-categorized pages are removed, this would be too small a category. User:力 (powera,  π,  ν ) 21:04, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The Space Mirror Memorial is the National Memorial honoring and remembering those who've died in the NASA space program. From the page, the Memorial is: "Designated by the U.S. Congress 'as the national memorial to astronauts who die in the line of duty' (Joint Resolution 214, 1991)". Among few others, including Elliot See, it contains the names of the fallen from Apollo 1, the Challenger disaster and the Columbia disaster. It seems entirely appropriate to add it to the categories of the honorees, and as your reasoning for deletion hinges on this, please reflect and reconsider, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:17, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  03:54, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, the articles Fallen Astronaut and Space Mirror Memorial are not particularly about Elliot See and having NASA Astronaut Group 2 in this category is a typical case of reverse categorization: Elliot See belongs in Category:NASA Astronaut Group 2, not the other way around. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per Marcocapelle, out of the five entries in the category three do not belong. Removing them, we are left with two entries which is SMALLCAT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvqr (talk • contribs) 12:37, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


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Musicians by band categories with one article

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  06:41, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: These are all categories for bands that have an article for one member, and the category definition suggests such categories are not needed unless at least two band members have an article. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 00:56, 9 November 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  03:51, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting the following categories:
 * the black seeds members
 * chevelle (band) members
 * dazzling killmen members
 * everly (band) members
 * the juliana theory members
 * mechanical poet members
 * phoenix (band) members
 * los prisioneros members
 * Delete, and for Category:Los Prisioneros members it can be upmerged into Category:Los Prisioneros. &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 09:39, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, keep per WP:SMALLCAT and per Peterkingiron's comment. &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment -- the categories that I checked seemed to be for bands with several members but an article on only one of them. There is a lot to be said for "one band one category", where we do not have extensive content on them.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:45, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, there is no point in users having to navigate from the article to the category hoping for more content only to find out there is no more content. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Marcocapelle. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:19, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree with nom and Marcocapelle's comment. If more any of the above bands have a member that gets an article created, these categories can always be re-created at that point. -2pou (talk) 18:28, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


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