Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 December 4



Category:Commissioners of the Global Commission on the Stability of Cyberspace
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Recording artists

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all. At this point, I suspect the reason CfD keeps getting backlogged is because of the cumbersome organization; unlike TfD and RfD, CfD log pages are not transcluded onto the main page. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 23:30, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: This is a follow-up to Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 27, for consistency with the renamed parent Category:Recording artists by label. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:52, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of artists by record label to Category:Lists of recording artists by label
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of current artists by record label to Category:Lists of current recording artists by label
 * Propose renaming Category:Artists by Japanese record label to Category:Recording artists by Japanese label
 * Propose renaming Category:Artists by Philippine record label to Category:Recording artists by Philippine label
 * Propose renaming Category:Artists by South Korean record label to Category:Recording artists by South Korean label
 * Support for consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * SupportRathfelder (talk) 21:21, 13 December 2021 (UTC)


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Girl groups smallcats

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all. I checked and each nominated category still contains only one or two pages. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:04, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Argentine girl groups to Category:Argentine women singers, Category:Argentine pop music groups and Category:Latin American girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Burmese girl groups to Category:Burmese women singers, Category:Burmese musical groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Colombian girl groups to Category:Colombian women singers, Category:Colombian pop music groups and Category:Latin American girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Croatian girl groups to Category:Croatian women singers, Category:Croatian pop music groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Czech girl groups to Category:Czech women singers, Category:Czech pop music groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Ecuadorian girl groups to Category:Ecuadorian women singers, Category:Ecuadorian musical groups and Category:Latin American girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Ethiopian girl groups‎ to Category:Ethiopian women singers, Category:Ethiopian musical groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Greek girl groups to Category:Greek women singers, Category:Greek pop music groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Icelandic girl groups‎ to Category:Icelandic women singers, Category:Icelandic pop music groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Lebanese girl groups to Category:Lebanese women singers, Category:Lebanese pop music groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Lithuanian girl groups to Category:Lithuanian women singers, Category:Lithuanian pop music groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Mongolian girl groups to Category:Mongolian women singers, Category:Mongolian musical groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Namibian girl groups to Category:Namibian women singers, Category:Namibian musical groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Pakistani girl groups to Category:Pakistani women singers, Category:Pakistani pop music groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Peruvian girl groups to Category:Peruvian women singers, Category:Peruvian musical groups and Category:Latin American girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Romanian girl groups to Category:Romanian women singers, Category:Romanian pop music groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Singaporean girl groups‎ to Category:Singaporean women singers, Category:Singaporean musical groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:South African girl groups to Category:South African women singers, Category:South African pop music groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Turkish girl groups to Category:Turkish women singers, Category:Turkish pop music groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Propose merging Category:Ugandan girl groups to Category:Ugandan women singers, Category:Ugandan musical groups and Category:Girl groups
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, all the above currently have only one or two articles. The so-called smallcat exception does not really apply because the tree by nationality is very incomplete anyway. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 4 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge all per SMALLCAT. --Just N. (talk) 00:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish comedians

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  ✗  plicit  02:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 in each category. Rathfelder (talk) 16:27, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Jewish Welsh comedians to Category:Jewish British comedians
 * Propose merging Category:Jewish Danish comedians to Category:Danish comedians and Category:Jewish comedians
 * Propose merging Category:Jewish Hungarian comedians to Category:Jewish comedians and Category: Hungarian comedians
 * Propose merging Category:Jewish Brazilian comedians to Category:Jewish comedians and Category:Brazilian comedians
 * Propose merging Category:Jewish Italian comedians to Category:Italian comedians and Category:Jewish comedians
 * Propose merging Category:Jewish Swedish comedians to Category:Swedish comedians and Category:Jewish comedians
 * Support if a third merge target is added to the nomination (Category:Jewish Danish entertainers, Category:Hungarian Jews etc.). Rathfelder, please check out the parent categories when nominating. Note: WP:OCEGRS may also apply. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:26, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Season of goodwill and all that – but it is simply a fact of life that Rathfelder has a persistent blind spot in that regard, and the rest of us have to keep an eye out for other parent categories on all of his merge nominations. At least he came up with two merge targets for most of the above. Manual merge to any parents necessary, whether stated in the nomination or not. E.g. Victor Borge is already in Category:Danish stand-up comedians so does not need to be merged to Danish comedians, and is in Category:Jewish American comedians so does not need to be merged to Jewish comedians, and is currently directly in Category:Jewish Danish entertainers, so no merge is required. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:43, 12 December 2021 (UTC)


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This Side of the Leith

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename per Option B, but no consensus for the elections category.– Fayenatic  L ondon 17:31, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Option A:
 * Propose renaming Category:Establishments in the Empire of Austria (1867–1918) to Category:Establishments in Cisleithania
 * Propose renaming Category:Disestablishments in the Empire of Austria (1867–1918) to Category:Disestablishments in Cisleithania
 * Propose renaming Category:Events in the Empire of Austria (1867–1918) to Category:Events in Cisleithania
 * Propose deleting empire of austria (1867–1918)
 * Option B: ''(tagged and added 4 Dec 2021)
 * Propose merging Category:Cisleithania to Category:Empire of Austria (1867–1918)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lands of Cisleithania (1867—1918) to Category:Lands of the Empire of Austria (1867–1918)
 * Propose renaming Category:Cisleithanian legislative elections to Category:Legislative elections in the Empire of Austria (1867–1918)

Nominator's rationale: Need to have a single name for this territory. Option A Rename & delete as nominated. Option B Reverse name all Cisleithanian categories to "Foo in Empire of Austria (1867–1918)".Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:46, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Option A, please. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:05, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Surely there should be consistency. I don't expect historians to use "Cisleithania" in their common language though, option B is probably more appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Option B is slightly better, though I'm not sure either is correct here. Why aren't these merged to just be a single category about Austria-Hungary? User:力 (power~enwiki,  π,  ν ) 18:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That is a fair point, we seem to be making distinctions between countries that merely existed on paper. We had a similar discussion about Aragon and Castile in the 16th and 17th century after they merged to Spain in practice. For all people except the Hungarians, Austria-Hungary was perceived as one country with a first level administrative division in two parts. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That's simply not true. Each part of the Dual Monarchy was equal and separate with their own parliaments and executives. Only the person of the Emperor united both parts. The Aragon and Castile precedent is not relevant here. The important point for both these nominations is that we have categories that are good and useful but under different names, even though they are about the same entity. Only one name should prevail. I'm not wedded to either name, hence the provision of options A & B. I don't mind which one prevails as long as the dual naming structure is eliminated. Whichever one wins - A or B - then all child categories should follow that usage. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Austria-Hungary was a real union with a shared army, shared ambassadors and a shared foreign policy (which were at the time the most defining characteristics of a state). Of course Hungary got its own administrative bodies, but in the 19th century that had little weight for anyone but the Hungarians. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Tagged and listed the categories for Option B. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:29, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Option B cis/trans-Leith are obscure terms and should not be used; category-redirects might be appropriate, but I doubt even that is necessary. To me Leith is the port of Edinburgh.  It is appropriate to categorise as Hungary/Austria/Bohemia/Moravia/etc according to  status with Austria-Hungary, but they had common institutions (called royal and imperial), so that categories for any of these should only be used for matters local to a particular polity.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Option B is probably more appropriate! --Just N. (talk) 21:40, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: for the record, there is an article Cisleithania, and this term is used in other-language Wikipedias, see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8920945. Neither of these prove that the term is widespread in English, nor that it is best for categories in en-wiki. Nevertheless, Category:Cisleithanian legislative elections may be a special case, as the articles are titled e.g. "1891 Cisleithanian legislative election". – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:47, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That is an interesting observation. We might leave Category:Cisleithanian legislative elections for a separate nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:30, 4 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment - vote as above. It may be appropriate to leave a redirect  and perhaps retain the elections category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:52, 7 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Rotary machine guns

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Redundant category, as the pre-existing Multi-barrel machine guns category is defined as "Rotary, gatling or other multi-barrel machine guns." Loafiewa (talk) 12:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting rotary machine guns

But multi-barrel is not always rotary...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatalvit (talk • contribs) 13:08, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

For example Billinghurst_Requa_Battery is a multi-barrel non-rotary machine gun. There is also a category Rotary cannon Category:Rotary_cannon (which lists rotary weapons that are not cannons. There are technically rotary machine guns at category Rotary cannon page which would need to be moved to the correct category Rotary machine guns). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatalvit (talk • contribs) 13:18, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * While not all multi-barreled machine guns are rotary, a large number of them are. Per WP:OVERLAPCAT, when two categories have a major overlap, it is better to just have the one category. Loafiewa (talk) 14:46, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * To what extent do these two categories overlap? Please specify. If you look at Category:Multi-barrel_machine_guns, majority of entries are not rotary. Please note that there is also similar Category:Rotary_cannon category existing. Likewise, not all multi-barrel cannons are rotary, majority of multi-barrel cannons are non-rotary. Tatalvit (talk) 19:46, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Please also see for example [] for definition. I think also page Rotary_machine_gun should be added (talk) 19:53, 4 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep as subcategory of . Quite a number of the articles in that latter category are not rotary (take, for example, the first two in it: Billinghurst Requa Battery and Caldwell machine gun. Overlap is not enough to be regarded as WP:OVERLAPCAT, and one serves as a natural subcat of the other. Grutness... wha?   02:13, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as subcategory of . --Just N. (talk) 00:23, 11 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Singers of American descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:11, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 article. Hard to see why we want this Rathfelder (talk) 09:06, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Singers of American descent to Category:Musicians of American descent
 * Merge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:59, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, this should be a container category with subcats per current nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:32, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete because it will empty the target category as well. Not sure division by occupation of Category:People of American descent is necessary. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:19, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete -- The one member is the daughter of an American soldier and a Vietnamese mother and subsequently migrated to America. She might go in a category for the offspring of American soldiers in the Vietnam war, but her American descent is hardly notable for a person now in America.  The headnote refers to Indian descent, which does not apply to her.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:58, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete --Just N. (talk) 00:25, 11 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Cat People

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: This category either should be deleted or the title changed to something that explains what "Cat People" are or who they are. Is this a franchise? Is this about thematic content? We don't have categories for films that have similar names. Liz Read! Talk! 02:10, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cat people
 *  Note: Category creator moved the content from this category, moving them to Category:Cat People (film series), which they just created. This nomination should apply to that category as well. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:08, 4 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete both, it is not a franchise and we already have a Cat People dab page, that should suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:36, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I added the later created category to this nomination but failed to support the nomination itself. Delete per Marcocapelle. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 08:59, 3 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Tuomari Nurmio
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:20, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary per WP:OCEPON. Only contains a band that Tuomari Nurmio has been a part of. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 00:52, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tuomari nurmio


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Category:Railway stations in Peterhead
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT: has only two members and there is zero potential for growth - Peterhead never had any other railway stations. Both of the member pages would be better placed in, which is much larger. Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 00:09, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Railway stations in Peterhead to Category:Disused railway stations in Aberdeenshire
 * Support per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 11:56, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 04:23, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Support but merge also to the other parents. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:01, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 00:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)


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