Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 December 8



Category:Psychiatry profession

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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:59, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: manually merge, hodgepodge category and most of the content is already in a more appropriate place in this tree, e.g. in Category:Psychiatry education. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:49, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Psychiatry profession to Category:Psychiatry
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 22:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. This is a very strange collection of articles. --Xurizuri (talk) 17:09, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:CBeebies Bedtime Storyteller

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:59, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Participation in the "CBeebies Bedtime Storyteller" program is not a defining characteristic of any of the people for whom this category is being applied to their biographical articles.  General Ization Talk  19:59, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cbeebies bedtime storyteller
 * I agree, it’s too niche. Trillfendi (talk) 21:30, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete -- A Classic case of a PERF category. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:12, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I'd say: wrong approach. Take a part in this TV program for small children will not make anyone famous (as a defining characteristic) but adds a facet! Seen from another angle it is DEFINING for the TV channel to have such a children program with narrators like those personalities. --Just N. (talk) 23:00, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose the deletion but recommend moving it to another place in cat tree according to my comment above. --Just N. (talk) 23:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, not a defining characteristic of these people. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:46, 25 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Downtown Columbus, Ohio

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:00, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Demolished buildings and structures categories by city do not include specific neighbourhoods, the exceptions (New York boroughs) are all at higher-level geographic areas. This is one category level too granular and is an WP:OVERCAT and should just be upmerged one level. SportingFlyer  T · C  10:55, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Downtown Columbus, Ohio to Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Columbus, Ohio
 * Keep. There are enough entries here and on the parallel Commons category. New York City is similar in that it is one of the only other cities with a list of its demolished buildings, and innumerous entries on its notable demolished buildings. I don't see how you can unilaterally declare any sort of cutoff with such a novel and small topic, and no precedents. As well, Portland, Atlanta, and LA have more granular categories already, defeating any rationale here. ɱ  (talk) 12:50, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Those sub-categories in those other cities are by building type, not neighbourhood. We don't group demolished buildings by neighbourhood anywhere. On top of the overcat this is an un-needed WP:NARROWCAT. SportingFlyer  T · C  23:25, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, User:力 (powera, π,  ν ) 19:52, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If merged then dual merge, also to Category:Buildings in downtown Columbus, Ohio. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep  - as we have I see no reason to object to Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Downtown Columbus, Ohio as it has quite a few entries (19). Any merge should also be to Category:Buildings in downtown Columbus, Ohio (per Marcocapelle). Oculi (talk) 11:15, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge. Unnecessary WP:NARROWCAT. should be diffused by building type (although I don't think that'd be necessary) but definitely not by Downtown/not-Downtown. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:53, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Oculi. It really does no harm at all to have a subcategoy (with 19 entries BTW)! --Just N. (talk) 23:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:BDS activists

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:01, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: The article creator seems to be tagging people who "support BDS" not in fact activists. This is a contentious category to be using to tag BLPs. It should be at least re-named and preferably deleted, per WP:USERCATNO: "Categories which group users by advocacy of a position" HouseOfChange (talk) 03:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC) //
 * Propose renaming deleting  Category:BDS activists to Category:BDS supporters
 * Absent sources describing notable individuals as "BDS activists", there should not be anyone so categorized. Are there such sources? BD2412  T 04:45, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Expand abbreviation which is obscure. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:13, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree the abbreviation should be expanded. Regarding whether there should be a rename or whether we should ensure that only "activists" in a defining sense are included, I will be neutral.  This isn't (and shouldn't be) a user category, so WP:USERCATNO shouldn't matter. User:力 (powera,  π,  ν ) 03:11, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose renaming to "supporters" per WP:OPINIONCAT. Instead purge so that only activists are kept. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I have changed my proposal from "rename" to "delete," because I think it will be in practice impossible to stop editors from using this category for BDS supporters in general, i.e. as a wall of shame ("BDS is antisemitic") to tag BLPs on the basis of "contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced." As an example of this happening, consider (arguably less toxic) Category:American anti-vaccination activists, which clearly states, "This category contains articles about activists who are primarily notable due to their anti-vaccination activism. This category is not a general list of people who hold anti-vaccine or vaccine-hesitant views (such as actors, musicians, or politicians)." In spite of that warning, notable BLPs get tagged into this category who clearly do not meet this qualification including currently Alex Jones and Naomi Wolf. Just to clarify, although I assume you all AGF about my motivations, I personally do not support BDS or vaccine hesitancy. My concern is with BLP articles, even for people with whom I disagree. HouseOfChange (talk) 23:04, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Wikipedia as an encyclopedia is no place for political opinion battles. This category is part of such an ideological tugging. Away with such a category! And I also consent to HouseOfChange when he warns about almost unavoidable abuse. --Just N. (talk) 23:18, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:German Cabinet

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Cabinets of Germany.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:01, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: This is more consistent with other categories about national cabinets, like Category:Lebanese cabinet. Renerpho (talk) 10:47, 8 December 2021 (UTC) Comment In line with the alt rename suggested above by, I have nominated Category:Lebanese cabinet for renaming to Cabinet of Lebanon, see this discussion. Renerpho (talk) 18:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:German Cabinet to Category:German cabinet
 * Alt rename to Category:Cabinets of Germany, in line with article Cabinet of Germany and with the rest of the category tree. The Lebanese category should also be nominated for renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with the renaming for both. Renerpho (talk) 18:50, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Alt rename to Category:Cabinets of Germany, per most of Category:National cabinets, and because it appears to be a set category and should thus be plural. Oculi (talk) 20:19, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Alt rename to Category:Cabinets of Germany, per most of Category:National cabinets, and because it appears to be a set category and should thus be plural. Thanks to Oculi for his/her perfect proposal wording. --Just N. (talk) 23:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Controversy over linguistic and ethnic identity in Moldova

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Controversy over ethnic and linguistic identity in Moldova.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:02, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Consistency with main article Controversy over ethnic and linguistic identity in Moldova. Super  Ψ   Dro  10:06, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Controversy over linguistic and ethnic identity in Moldova to Category:Controversy over ethnic and linguistic identity in Moldova
 * Move, per nom. Renerpho (talk) 10:25, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: It could be moved to a more neutral and broader ethnic and linguistic identity in Moldova.--Maleschreiber (talk) 21:15, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Question: in that case, should not the article be moved first? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That title isn't more neutral nor broad. It would only make the article's title shorter but also less precise. And yes, the article would have to be moved first. Super   Ψ   Dro  13:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 23:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Hawkeye (2021 TV series)

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) 2pou (talk) 22:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Delete overly specific, nearly empty, and really impractical category that does not add navigation any better than simply linking the article for the show. It is not helpful to create a new category for every series, film, or title in which a character has appeared. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 09:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting hawkeye (2021 tv series)


 * The category have been created too early, but seeing as how the first 3 episodes have drafts (Draft:Never Meet Your Heroes, Draft:Hide and Seek (Hawkeye), and Draft:Echoes (Hawkeye)) which will be moved in the near future to the mainspace, this category  be re-created. So the question is, is the deletion really necessary? Gonnym (talk) 12:39, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Regarding the argument of "overly specific", that's a meaningless argument. Gonnym (talk) 12:40, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with that this was created a bit too early. Should at least 2 of the episode articles be moved to the mainspace, then it would be beneficial to have this cat. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:22, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I am also confident, and this is just predicting, that Draft:Kate Bishop (Marvel Cinematic Universe) will eventually be on the mainspace, so even if the need for Category:Hawkeye (2021 TV series) episodes is there, this category will still get recreated. (Oinkers42) (talk) 19:46, 9 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep for now per Gonnym - if the category isn't populated in 3 months this can be re-nominated. User:力 (powera, π,  ν ) 03:14, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Gonnym. The category will be populated if the episodes that are listed in the article will be notable enough to have their own articles. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 15:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Gonnym. --Just N. (talk) 23:25, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Gonnym. Painting17 (talk) 07:31, 18 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Psychiatry in Croatia

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Mental health in Croatia.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:03, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Even the UK and US siblings are lightly populated, the growth potential for a small country like Croatia seems limited. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting psychiatry in croatia
 * Merge it and Category:Mental health in Croatia to Category:Healthcare in Croatia. This tree has 3 viable subcats, for physicians, Psychiatrists and vets.  One day we may get a few more subcats, such as hospitals, but we do not need masses of thread-like branches in a tree.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:21, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merging is not needed because the psychiatrists are already a subcat of the Croatian physicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:31, 10 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge into Mental health in Croatia. It's highly unlikely that Psychiatry in Croatia will grow, however the same isn't true for mental health in Croatia. If we didn't have that cursed systemic bias it would presumably already be reasonably populated, based on the other mental health by country categories. --Xurizuri (talk) 15:01, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge into Mental health in Croatia. --Just N. (talk) 23:26, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:T1 League draft

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 00:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge until there are more seasons to establish this as a viable standalone category. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 18:03, 29 November 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:T1 League draft to Category:T1 League and Category:Drafts (sports)
 * Oppose - It didn't go against WP:OVERCAT.--寒吉 (talk) 04:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. Contains just one article. A category for T1 League drafts is not warranted in the league's inaugural season. In the future... possibly. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:57, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 23:28, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


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