Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 February 22



People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:36, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Chalkidona to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Agios Athanasios, Thessaloniki to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Koufalia to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kalamaria to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kordelio-Evosmos to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Eleftherio-Kordelio to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Evosmos to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Langadas (municipality) to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Koroneia, Thessaloniki to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Lachanas to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Langadas to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Neapoli-Sykies to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Agios Pavlos, Thessaloniki to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Neapoli, Thessaloniki to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Oraiokastro (municipality) to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kallithea, Thessaloniki to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Mygdonia, Thessaloniki to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Pavlos Melas to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Efkarpia to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Thermaikos (municipality) to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Epanomi to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Thermaikos to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Thermi (municipality) to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Thermi to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Vasilika, Thessaloniki to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Volvi to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Arethousa to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Egnatia, Thessaloniki to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Madytos, Thessaloniki to Category:People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, this concerns categorization by 3rd and 4th level administrative divisions of Greece, leading to a endless series of single-article or 2-article categories. The proposal is to merge to 2nd level administrative division, except cities and larger towns, in this case except Thessaloniki (325,000 people). This is follow-up on this earlier nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:02, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. These categories are for small villages and settlements (most with only a small number of residents) and are unlikely to ever have many articles within them. They can be recreated on an as needed basis if there ends up being "enough" articles to populate them. Until then, this merger makes sense to me. Grk1011 (talk) 15:04, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Russian Empire Azerbaijani people
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Category:Characters in animated films

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge both into a new Category:Animated characters in film. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:36, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Characters in animated films to Category:Animated film characters
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge and rename, duplicate category with the same scope. The nominated page is older, so should be moved over the target page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:32, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge or reverse merge, they are obviously duplicates. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:35, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Is animated modifying character or film? I am thinking of the dragon from the 1970s Pete's Dragon, and arguably Roger Rabbit, as characters that are animated in a film that is not fully animated. On the other hand, if we take the other view and assume an animated film is any film with animation, and assume this is characters in animated films, then we have the possiblity of putting some characters played by live people in here. I think we want to include every character who is animated, and so we want to make it clear that the animation connects to the character. Thus I think we should call this Category:Animated characters in film.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:51, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Double merge to Category:Animated characters in film, so it is clear that animated modifies character and not film.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:52, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I am equally okay with this merge and rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:35, 25 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:How-to

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. I have removed the articles (like Screenwriting) which are not handbooks or manuals. How-to looks like it will be deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:32, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:How-to to Category:Handbooks and manuals
 * Nominator's rationale: This is a poorly defined category based on a poorly written OR article. It should likely be merged to Category:Handbooks and manuals which has a much more clear title and scope. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:09, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Manuals and gazetteers of India

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:29, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Manuals and gazetteers of India to Category:Gazetteers of India
 * Nominator's rationale: The word 'manual' as used in this category is confusing (rare meaning) and does not fit into any category tree. Settting aside we probably need Category:Manuals, the parent category is just Category:Gazetteers not Category:Manuals and gazetteers (good) and this should be fixed for consistency anyway. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:07, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Pokémon video game screenshots

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Pokémon video game screenshots to Category:Screenshots of Pokémon games
 * Nominator's rationale: To match category tree established by Category:Screenshots of video games. (Oinkers42) (talk) 04:14, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Members of the Royal Red Cross and Bar

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:27, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Propose Upmerging Category:Members of the Royal Red Cross and Bar to Category:Members of the Royal Red Cross
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:TRIVIALCAT but not WP:OCAWARD)
 * The Royal Red Cross is a British award for military nurses and this category groups people who have won that same award twice. In the UK, recipients receive a medal bar when they earn an award more than once rather than receiving separate physical medals. (A different British award with bars is show to the right.) I'm not asserting that winning the underlying award is nodefining under WP:OCAWARD though. We don't categorize governors who were elected twice differently than those who were elected once or singers with 3 albums differently than singers with 4 albums so this double winner category seems non-defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Background We already merged a bunch of British "bar" categories right here but I missed this one. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:17, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge -- The bar for British awards is a second AWARD of the same medal. However in principle do not both fail OCAWARD?  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:16, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:National Heroes of Honduras

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete for now. For the record, the current members are José Trinidad Cabañas,Dionisio de Herrera,Lempira (Lenca ruler),Francisco Morazán,José Trinidad Reyes. The Wikidata item is . – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:National Heroes of Honduras
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (Either WP:SUBJECTIVECAT or WP:OCAWARD)
 * We don't have an article on National Heroes of Honduras to define what the inclusion criteria would be for this category. The 5 articles do use the word "hero" (with a lowercase "h") but only 1 of them has a citation for it. Since the articles do objectively include the word "hero", maybe the category is not subjective per se but it's definitely grouping articles based on the subjective editorial word choice of various Wikipedia editors. (Alternatively, it's possible this is a non-defining award without a main article.) Either way, it seems non-defining to the articles and unlikely to aid navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. The heroes of Honduras are very well defined by its culture. I say culture because, unlike the Honduran National Symbols, they can′t be found in decrees, but are thought at schools and considered as such by all Hondurans. The use of italics is because in Spanish the actual word is "próceres" (singular: "prócer"), not "héroes" (heroes). "Prócer" is a very formal word we use in Honduras only to refer to one of those 6 people in the category, and which is defined as "distinguished, eminent" (adj.) or "distinguished, eminent person" (noun). It has not really a direct translation, but given its connotation, not only in Honduras but in other Latin-American countries, it can be understood as hero (wordreference, Google translator). Sources about "Próceres de Honduras": Honduras Space, Honduras Tips, Xplor Honduras, Honduras Network; Images of those 6, including this one on a government site. Actually, the category lacks other three characters found in the Spanish version who in fact were declared "héroes" by decree. -Flag of Honduras.svg Kes47 (speak up) 06:21, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Your agreement that the heroes or próceres "can′t be found in decrees, but are thought at schools and considered as such by all Hondurans" means we are relying on your good faith judgment creating the category and picking who goes in it per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. I just copied the current category contents right here so no work is lost if anyone wants to create an article on the topic.- RevelationDirect (talk) 11:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Read further, it's not a personal but a social consideration. That statement just means that they are not legally declared as "próceres", but considered as such by the Honduran culture (not a single Honduran unawares it). This is equally valid, objective and probable, just take a look at the sources: there are the top 4 sites that spread Honduras-related information (should be enough), but if you want to go deeper you’ll find that every Honduran source refers exclusively to those 6 characters as "próceres". So yea, at the beginning I created the category based on what was obvious to me as Honduran, but now it should be kept for what is obvious in sources. -Flag of Honduras.svg Kes47 (speak up) 18:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You've definitely convinced me this is notable and deserves an article! Ideally, we would have that main article to help evaluate this category to see if WP:RS consistely list 6 members (not 8, 2 or 4 members) and whether it's defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:04, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, this is content for an article rather than for a category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:20, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment -- If someone can provide a robust (not subjective) means of limiting its scope to 6 "próceres" (or some other number) this could be kept. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:13, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Fundamentally, the problem here is that we have a category in lieu of a well sourced article. Maybe that hypothetical main article could overcome the category concerns, maybe not. - RevelationDirect (talk)
 * Well, "robust" is what's really subjective, so maybe you should explain why those 4 sources (entirely dedicated to talk about Honduras) pointing to the same 6 characters as the "próceres of Honduras" is not a means "robust" enough. Plus, there is the fact that, as I already said: every Honduran source refers exclusively to those 6 characters as "próceres"; if you type "próceres de Honduras" in the Google or YouTube searcher you won't find any other people but those 6. What RevelationDirect could find trying to probe otherwise was just some foreign blogger using the word "heroes" to refer to notable Hondurans and who didn't even get the Francisco Morazán last name right, and other two sites that also failed to do so cause they don't say or imply that the mentioned "heroes" are the only ones. Here's another (and I hope more convincing) source: the TV channel "STVE Telebásica", supported by the Honduras Education Secretary, at the last year's "independency month" made a special series of commercials on the theme of the "National Próceres of Honduras"; it’s on YouTube, again, mentioning only the 6 people in the category. -Flag of Honduras.svg Kes47 (speak up) 02:11, 5 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete for now. For me, I would like to see a well-sourced article written before we even debate whether or not to have a category for it. It just seems to me that the cart is before the horse here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Melodifestivalen presenters

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 09:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting melodifestivalen presenters


 * Nominator's rationale: A performers by performance category, which by guideline we generally avoid. It doesn't look to me like being a Melodifestivalen presenter is the primary source of notability for anyone. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:28, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, but move List of Melodifestivalen presenters to Category:Melodifestivalen. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:23, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, agree. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:08, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete (moving list). Clearly a PERF cat.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Tree programming languages

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Programming languages. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:24, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tree programming languages


 * Nominator's rationale: "Tree programming" is not an accepted category of programming language. This can be verified by a Google search, which returns no substantial results. The category page only links a few (very) obscure programming languages, and the pages for those languages do not themselves mention "tree programming".122.150.69.172 (talk) 02:20, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:49, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Programming languages. This is the opposite of C2D, the main article was deleted. See . For computer scientists who are longtime participants in SIGPLAN, these are not any more obscure than APL, ALGOL, BCPL, B, or even COBOL, they are merely dated research, and really have no need for their own category.
 * Merge if not kept, it is not appropriate to remove the articles from the tree of Category:Programming languages. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:38, 25 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Svenska Hollywoodfruar cast members

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 12:07, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting svenska hollywoodfruar cast members


 * Propose deleting svenska hollywoodfruar


 * Nominator's rationale: A performers by performance category, which by guideline we generally avoid. On the other hand, for some (though not all) of those included, participation in this television programme appears to be the main reason they are notable. If the cast members category is deleted, the eponymous category would contain only the main article and so it can be deleted too. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:17, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, but add Svenska Hollywoodfruar to Category:Swedish-American culture. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, agree. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Textbook WP:PERFCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:03, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


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Miscellaneous X character redirects to lists

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 * The result of the discussion was:


 * '''upmerge Category:Miscellaneous ballet character redirects to lists to Category:Ballet character redirects to lists
 * '''rename Category:Miscellaneous opera character redirects to lists to Category:Opera character redirects to lists
 * '''rename Category:Miscellaneous play character redirects to lists to Category:Play character redirects to lists
 * '''upmerge Category:Miscellaneous radio character redirects to lists to Category:Radio character redirects to lists
 * upmerge Category:Miscellaneous video game character redirects to lists to Category:Video game character redirects to lists Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:21, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting miscellaneous ballet character redirects to lists


 * Propose deleting miscellaneous opera character redirects to lists


 * Propose deleting miscellaneous play character redirects to lists


 * Propose deleting miscellaneous radio character redirects to lists


 * Propose deleting miscellaneous video game character redirects to lists


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCMISC, Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 13, Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 23, and Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 16, we should not have dedicated "everything else" categories. Any pages in these categories should be moved to the parent categories of those which are being discussed here. Said parent categories should also have Container category swapped out with Category diffuse. -B RAINULATOR 9 (TALK) 01:54, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:19, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - the objection in the nom would be met by removing 'miscellaneous' from the name. 'Ballet character redirects to lists' is very specific. None of the categories is tagged. Oculi (talk) 02:02, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Ballet character redirects to lists etc, per explanation below, and remove 'Miscellaneous' otherwise. Oculi (talk) 09:55, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep (see below) agree that removing "miscellaneous" would solve the issue. Aza24 (talk) 02:22, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, Category:Ballet character redirects to lists already exists, as do Category:Radio character redirects to lists and Category:Video game character redirects to lists. Category:Opera character redirects to lists and Category:Play character redirects to lists, however, don't exist, having been renamed to the "Miscellaneous" format and otherwise feeding into Category:Theatre and opera character redirects to lists. I wouldn't mind renaming those two categories to solve that problem, but the other three are still OCMISC in name and scope. -B RAINULATOR 9 (TALK) 02:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah I see, well in that case I would agree with renaming opera/play and deleting miscellaneous radio/video game/opera (assuming there contents is then moved to their respective parent categories). Aza24 (talk) 02:35, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * That's the plan, as far as upmerging the categories go. -B RAINULATOR 9 (TALK) 02:39, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge and/or Rename — removing Miscellaneous.


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Category:Songs written by Rafe VanHoy

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:11, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Songs written by Rafe VanHoy to Category:Songs written by Rafe Van Hoy
 * Nominator's rationale: Most sources I'm finding spell his name as "Van Hoy", including his entry in the BMI database Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:54, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment, if renamed the articles should be updated accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 25 February 2021 (UTC)


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