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Category:Mineral butters

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (For future reference for a list or article, the contents of the category were Antimony trichloride, Arsenic trichloride, Bismuth chloride, Tin(IV) chloride, and Zinc chloride.)
 * Propose deleting mineral butters


 * Nominator's rationale: No main article. Going through the articles in question, it seems to be a case of WP:SHAREDNAME, i.e. chemical compounds known historically as "butter of M" (M = Zn, As, Sn, Sb, Bi). –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 22:43, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * This is not a case of a shared name. Mineral butters share physical (soft) and chemical (inorganic chloride) properties. The terms used to be more common, but now the systematic names are used more often. Since there isn't a main article (and there's not really enough to say about it to be worth creating a main article), I think it would be better to delete the category and put a brief explanation of mineral butters at the butters disambiguation page. Ninjatacoshell (talk) 00:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't see this at either Butters or Butter (disambiguation). - RevelationDirect (talk) 09:31, 25 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete for Now I'm open to a well sourced main article changing my mind but, without that, my read is the same: this is likely a shared name cat without navigational benefit. - RevelationDirect (talk) 09:29, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Listify -- It is useful for archaic chemical terms to be recorded in WP, but I do not think we should encourage categories based on such terms. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Topics in science fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Ah, Stefanomione. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:41, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Topics in science fiction to Category:Science fiction themes
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. This category was created in 2014 by user:Stefanomione, but I cannot distinguish its purpose from the target category which is from 2004. Even Stefanomione admitted the very next day after creating this category that "in this field, 8 [themes and topics] categories have the same content". The main article is List of science fiction themes. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:36, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Note: in 2017, user:Fixuture wrote on the talk page, "Topics and themes aren't the same thing but they greatly overlap in most cases." – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:36, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment, the content of two categories is somewhat different. Category:Science fiction themes contains themes of science fiction, while Category:Topics in science fiction contains articles about how more general themes find their way in science fiction. I am not sure if they are different enough to keep them separate. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge, looks like a distinction without a difference. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 08:05, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge Largely overlapping categories. And science fiction is an old enough and wide enough genre to have covered numerous themes over the last couple of centuries. Dimadick (talk) 08:43, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


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People from Trikala (regional unit)

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Farkadona to Category:People from Trikala (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Pelinnaioi to Category:People from Trikala (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Meteora to Category:People from Trikala (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kastania, Trikala to Category:People from Trikala (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kleino to Category:People from Trikala (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Pyli (municipality) to Category:People from Trikala (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Aithikes to Category:People from Trikala (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Pindos, Trikala to Category:People from Trikala (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Pyli to Category:People from Trikala (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Trikala (municipality) to Category:People from Trikala (regional unit)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Koziakas to Category:People from Trikala (regional unit)
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, this concerns categorization by 3rd and 4th level administrative divisions of Greece, leading to a endless series of single-article or 2-article categories. The proposal is to merge to 2nd level administrative division, except cities and larger towns, in this case except Trikala (62,000 people) and Kalabaka (9,000 people). This is follow-up on this earlier nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:53, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who use the Yahoo! Widget Engine
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:38, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who use the yahoo! widget engine


 * Nominator's rationale: Yahoo! Widgets appears to be defunct. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 20:47, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Wheeled motor vehicles
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wheeled motor vehicles to Category:Motor vehicles
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary and mostly ignored intermediate categorisation. Category:Wheeled motor vehicles is effectively "Non-four wheeled motor vehicles" as it conspicuously doesn't have a four-wheeled subcategory making it not actually contain the majority of wheeled motor vehicles. LukeSurlt c 17:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in Aosta Valley
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:44, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting roman catholic dioceses in aosta valley


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one. Rathfelder (talk) 11:16, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment - this looks like part of . Perhaps its creator Marcocapelle can explain. Oculi (talk) 18:05, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment, it may be treated as a case of the "SMALLCAT exception rule", as part of a complete set in Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in Italy. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Is it 'by region', as in ? Oculi (talk) 18:42, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, region is the only parameter by which the dioceses are subcatted, that is why there is no separate "by region" subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Could we leave the dioceses, which do relate to the region, and dispense with the intermediate category for the bishops? Rathfelder (talk) 20:00, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * See discussion below. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:51, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete — no good reason to organize by region within a country.
 * Rename the subcat to Category:Bishops of Aosta, as that is the title. We do not need to specify RC since there will be no rival bishops for the title.  The sole article is in fact renamed to the Diocese of Aosta, which should be parented to Category:Aosta valley and the Category:Archdiocese of Turin, rather than directly to RC dioceses in Italy.  We seem to have had pedants at work in this tree.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:42, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Italy is one of the few places in the world where sub-national categorisation makes sense. If you allow it for most Italian regions, then you have to allow it for Aosta Valley, even though it can only ever have one entry since the diocese and the region are co-terminous. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Roman Catholic diocese in Italy. There is no reason to brake out one diocese into a seperate category, and no reason that some dioceses can not be directly kept at that parent category, so there is no reason to impose small cat to this category of one thing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:57, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Bishops in Aosta Valley
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (It can't be merged to  because  is the only content in the nominated category. You can't merge a category to itself.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:36, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting bishops in aosta valley


 * Nominator's rationale: Only content is Category:Bishops of Aosta, already in Category:People from Aosta Rathfelder (talk) 11:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment, it may be treated as a case of the "SMALLCAT exception rule", as part of a complete set in Category:Roman Catholic bishops by region in Italy. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Support Leave the bishops in their dioceses and national categories. Let the dioceses have a regional as well as a national life as they are more suited to geograpghical dispersion. Not perfectly though - some Italian dioceses straddle two regions (Friuli ?). Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:41, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:51, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete — no good reason to organize by region within a country.
 * Merge to Category:Bishops of Aosta, which is the only possible content. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:43, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Pop EPs
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 10%23Category:Pop EPs

Category:Technology demonstration satellite
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Technology demonstration satellite to Category:Technology demonstration satellites
 * Nominator's rationale: plural form fgnievinski (talk) 06:50, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Northern California Public Broadcasting
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Northern California Public Broadcasting to Category:KQED Inc.
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistency with main article's name Mvcg66b3r (talk) 04:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Support speedy C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 04:35, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Antiates
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, merging content to Category:Valerii. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:31, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Antiates to Category:Valerii Antiates
 * Nominator's rationale: It's standard to include gens name in categories like these. ★Trekker (talk) 04:04, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I would just go ahead and delete it. Too few pages, not a family branch worth categorizing. Avilich (talk) 14:00, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * As per below, merging is indeed the best option. I often forget this is a possibility with categories. Avilich (talk) 16:50, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge back into Category:Valerii—all of the Valerii Antiates should be there. For that matter I think that should be the case with most categories for individual stirpes of Roman gentes—and was, until recently.  Hardly any Roman gentes have as many as a dozen articles about any particular stirps, or more than a few dozen about all their members combined.  As for "Antiates", even though I saw and read through this debate a few days ago, seeing it in the CGR article alerts this morning, I thought the category was for residents of Antium—literally what the name means.  We might not need a category if we don't have many articles about them, but that's who should logically go in a category with this title.  P Aculeius (talk) 16:18, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


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Category:John B. Pickett fellows
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:30, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:John B. Pickett fellows
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:PERFCAT)
 * The John B. Pickett fellowship is scholarship program for mid-career police officers to attend Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government. Jerome Holmes received a masters through the program which is defining but he is already categorized under Category:John F. Kennedy School of Government alumni for that same degree. The other 4 articles in this category attended a 3-week program at the school which doesn't seem remotely defining. The category contents are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic.  - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:04, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:31, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete possibly after listifying. The is clearly a variety of AWARD.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:45, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Fellows of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:29, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Fellows of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD and WP:PERFCAT)
 * The Committee for Skeptical Inquiry is a group of scientists that attempts to debunk paranormal claims and the fellowship recognizes skeptical scientists or activists. The vast majority of these people are scientists known for their research in their respective field and, while they may have once debunked something on the side at some point, the articles don't tend to mention this award at all. (There are some exceptions, like Susan Gerbic and Mick West who are already categorized as skeptics.) The category contents are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:04, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete after some one has checked that the list is complete. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:48, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


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