Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 10



Category:Quantum electrodynamicists

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, merging content to . Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:44, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting quantum electrodynamicists


 * Nominator's rationale: "Quantum electrodynamicist" is not a term normally used. Nearly all modern physicists accept Quantum ElectroDynamics, but this category is not useful or informative. Please stop adding physicists to this category until it gets wider acceptance. HouseOfChange (talk) 20:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This term means a field of study, not a view. Similarily, there is a category 'Quantum physicists' which includes people working in the field; not every physicist works in it. --Tarnoob (talk) 21:24, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Question, if the category isn't kept, shouldn't it be merged to its parent Category:Quantum physicists? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:26, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Reply This is a brand-new category, just created by a few hours ago. The only members of this category are people that Tarnoob has added to it -- in the case of Dyson at least by changing the Category:Quantum physicists into Category:Quantum electrodynamicists. I have asked physicists of my acquaintance about this. People who work on QED are not referred to as "quantum electrodynamicists." Shut this down please, before there is more of a mess to clean up after. HouseOfChange (talk) 21:34, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Reply Maybe it should be renamed – e.g. 'Quantum electrodynamics researchers', similarly to, say, 'Loop quantum gravity researchers' and a lot of similarly named sub-categories of 'Researchers'? Or, 'Quantum electrodynamics physicists', but I'm not sure if it's grammatical. --Tarnoob (talk) 21:41, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Category:Loop quantum gravity researchers is another category you only recently created too, so perhaps not the best example... -Kj cheetham (talk) 21:56, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * So the answer to the question is yes, if the category isn't kept, it should be merged back to its parent Category:Quantum physicists. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:08, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * My apologies for an unclear answer. Yes, since there is no benefit to subdividing "Quantum physicists" in this way, any rejected subcategories should merge into "Quantum physicists." HouseOfChange (talk) 22:14, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with HouseOfChange regarding the merging. -Kj cheetham (talk) 22:16, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy Merge — as proposed. As soon as this is decided, we also should consider Category:Loop quantum gravity researchers.


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Category:Order of Saint Michael

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 * The result of the discussion was: while there were users in favour of keeping these, I found that the arguments in favour of deletion far more accurately reflected the guidelines found in WP:OCAWARD (which is really a sub-guideline of the broader WP:NONDEF): "A category of award recipients should exist only if receiving the award is a defining characteristic for the large majority of its notable recipients". It's clear from how articles address these awards that this high standard has not been met in these cases. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:18, 27 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting order of saint michael


 * Propose deleting knights of the order of saint michael


 * Propose deleting recipients of the order of the holy spirit


 * Propose deleting order of saint januarius


 * Propose deleting recipients of the order of the tower and sword


 * Propose deleting knights of the order of the tower and sword


 * Propose deleting officers of the order of the tower and sword


 * Propose deleting commanders of the order of the tower and sword


 * Propose deleting grand officers of the order of the tower and sword


 * Propose deleting grand collars of the order of the tower and sword


 * Propose deleting knights of the order of saint ferdinand and of merit


 * Propose deleting knights commander of the order of saint ferdinand and of merit


 * Propose deleting recipients of the house order of fidelity


 * Propose deleting knights grand cross of the order of saint ferdinand and of merit


 * Propose deleting grand crosses of the order of the tower and sword


 * Propose deleting knights of the order of saint januarius


 * Propose deleting knights grand cross of the order of saint januarius


 * Propose deleting supernumerary knights of the order of the holy spirit


 * Nominator's rationale: Not defining. Some of the many orders of chivalry awarded to heads of state, consorts and sovereign family members.  They are rarely mentioned in the articles, and are certainly not regarded as significant.   Rathfelder (talk) 19:16, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Support in principle, per nom, per WP:OCAWARD. However, take care not to pick categories too randomly. For example, when nominating Category:Knights Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Ferdinand and of Merit, you should also nominate Category:Knights of the Order of Saint Ferdinand and of Merit and Category:Knights Commander of the Order of Saint Ferdinand and of Merit‎. This applies to multiple of the above. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. There are many more, and I'm not suggesting these are special, but I think each order is now complete.  Rathfelder (talk) 23:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep The reason they're is an attempt to delete them is because people don't understand what these are, and that is the reason why they are no in the articles. Awards and honours of these type define the behaviour of great houses, e.g. royalty, aristocracy, religious, dynastic orders that exhibit alliances, trades, accords and marriages and agreements that sometimes go back centuries. It bothers me greatly that nobody understands them, then becomes... just get rid of them. Lets not. The reason that people don't understand them, is folk are usually not privy to it, unless they are either work in a very specialist area of academia, or are they're part of a grand family or group, dynasty of whatever type, is in. Any kind of reading in depth in these areas will show you that. Wikipedia is severely lacking in these areas and including medals and awards. Sometimes types of awards, which is kind of modern version of these are so prestigious that people who are already at the top of their field, work tirelessly and selflessly to achieve them. Lastly has no checked the articles, e.g. House Order of Fidelity. That is super-weight honour, that you cannot get. It is like hen's teeth. This dude Max von Bock und Polach has an iron cross and associated categories. Iron crosses were handed out the like water, nobody cared about them, but only 10 people have the House Order of Fidelity award. I think we should would cherish these wee small categories. It would be absurd to delete them.   scope_creep Talk  00:41, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Category:Recipients of the House Order of Fidelity contains more than 200 articles and the article says there were more than 400 recipients excluding the grand ducal house. Are we talking about the same category? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The articles I see about European nobility generally have half a dozen of these categories. None of the articles I have read - many hundreds - say anything more than listing the awards, and mostly dont even do that. Often there is a picture of someone who has not actually done anything significant with a load of medals on his chest.  I'm not proposing to remove the articles, and most of the articles have long lists of those given the awards, which seems a more appropriate way of dealing with them.  If we get rid of the categories which relate to the awards which were given out easily we can leave those which are actually significant.  Rathfelder (talk) 10:37, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete none of these categories come even close to meeting the very, very, very extremely limited circumstances in which having a category is notable. There is a very high bar for including awards received as a category, and these awards do not meet that. Just to choose one example Frederick William III of Prussia is in 33 categories, 3 of which are nominated here, and that is not all the award categories he is in. We do not need to categorize everyone by every award they ever received. This is not justified in how it is being done currently and leads to way too much category clutter.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep categories about the Order of Saint Michael and the Order of the Holy Spirit. These were the highest ranked orders of chivalry in France at the time of the monarchy. About their defining status, you can hardly find an era portrait of a member of the order without prominently displaying its distinctive light blue sash (and not among a Soviet-style library of medals):


 * – Maliepa (talk) 15:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * While that may be so, he was known as a naval aviator and a commander in the United States Coast Guard, not as an award winner. Regardless what is on his grave, it is not defining from an encyclopedial perspective. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment "Category clutter" isn't a thing. File systems are effectively global and have been for some time. It doesn't exist. There is no reason why there is shouldn't be a category per award, it just needs work, to make it work. It puzzles me why folk don't see the value here, when it staring everybody in the face. Perhaps you have not read widely enough. It also seems curious that if it wasn't that important, in each portrait they wearing every award they have. They seem to think it is important.    scope_creep Talk  00:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I dont know what "File systems are effectively global" means, or why you think it relevant. But there certainly are plenty of complaints about over-categorisation.  It doesnt help anybody to give monarchs and nobility half a dozen title related categories, mostly not mentioned in the articles, which do nothing to show why the person is notable, or why they were awarded.  Rathfelder (talk) 14:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you really expect that e.g. Prince Adalbert of Prussia (1811–1873) was enormously proud of every of the many medals he received? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I look at those same portraits where they collect "chivalry" awards like stamps or Pokémon cards and think how absolutely irrelevant they are since it's usually just an inevitable result of being born a high ranking noble, which they generally are already categorized for. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are proud of them. Why is it that they are still given out by boat load, by every Monarch in the world. There is a famous quote by Napoleon: Give me enough medals and I’ll win you any war Here is a another one by Napoleon. Men will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon. I could spend between six and 12 hours, do some research and find some quotes by Prince Adalbert and his love of medals. Here is a page on the Kaiser, a relative. Look at the busts. They have the medal carved in the busts.    scope_creep Talk  12:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The comment about "collecting" these chivalry awards on portraits cannot be more wrong. The Saint Michael collar was the only collar ever worn over ecclesiastical dress in French monarchy times. Of course the orders of Saint Michael and of the Holy Spirit were awarded to people of a very high social status, but the opposite is not true: the order was very exclusive with a limited number of knights, like the order of the Garter, and few people even of high birth could expect it. Place Clichy (talk) 01:26, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete All These area not generally defining to these people and generally reflect rather than created their notability in the article space. In the category space, they are adding non-defining categories that do not aid navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Listify. As with all such awards, a list makes far more sense than a category - details such as date of award and reason for award can be added, making for a much more useful list. Why people go create a category rather than a list in the first place baffles me. Grutness... wha?   01:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment -- These are senior national awards from a period when awards were not given with the frequency that they are today. These are different from the diplomatic honours given by one monarch to another, but to those particularly recognised as notable by kings at the time.  At worst, listify, but there may be a case for keeping them on the basis that the number of holders at any one time.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Lionsgate Television drafts

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. I too thought there was no categorization scheme for drafts. Perhaps a discussion about these categories would be in order. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Lionsgate Television drafts to Category:Lionsgate drafts
 * Nominator's rationale: Does not need a separate page as the link Legendary Television is a redirect to Lionsgate, as there are currently 2 entries. Starzoner (talk) 17:13, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Your links are mixing Legendary and Lionsgate. Is that intentional? -2pou (talk) 17:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * lol mistake. Please retract this. Thanks. Starzoner (talk) 18:19, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment, I was under the impression that we do not categorize drafts. When did this change? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:36, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Sony drafts

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:39, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sony drafts to Category:Sony Pictures drafts
 * Nominator's rationale: Sony covers lots of topics, not just films and television shows. Its subsidiary Sony Pictures deals with them.

Entirely composed of tb and films, this isn't just a Sony draft article, but strictly a Sony pictures category Starzoner (talk) 17:09, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Everything within is from Sony Pictures, so while the existing is correct, the nom is more precise, especially if anyone starts sorting Sony HW, etc. -2pou (talk) 22:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Shaykhavand

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:38, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting shaykhavand


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT and in the spirit of WP:C2F, the only article is about Isa Khan Safavi or Isa Khan Shaykhavand. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Definitely small cat. -RevelationDirect (talk) 10:33, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Talk podcasts

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:37, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting talk podcasts


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING because almost all podcasts are "talk" podcasts. The genre is more relevant to radio shows. A discussion to move the category to "Unscripted podcasts" led to the problem of WP:X or Y. Prior discussion at the Wikiproject. TipsyElephant (talk) 13:23, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, the purpose of the category is entirely unclear. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:NONDEFINING; almost all podcasts are based on talk. Not all, but most, and a category containing nearly all podcast articles doesn't provide much assistance to people. -2pou (talk) 20:26, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Scripted podcasts

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:37, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting scripted podcasts


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING and WP:X or Y. Prior discussion at the Wikiproject. TipsyElephant (talk) 13:21, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, the purpose of the category is entirely unclear. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:NONDEFINING and to avoid potential subjectivity as pointed out in the linked discussion. -2pou (talk) 20:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


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Education buildings by city in Sri Lanka

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging
 * Category:Education buildings in Ambalangoda to Category:Education in Ambalangoda and Category:Buildings and structures in Ambalangoda
 * Category:Education buildings in Anuradhapura to Category:Education in Anuradhapura and Category:Buildings and structures in Anuradhapura
 * Category:Education buildings in Bandarawela to Category:Education in Bandarawela and Category:Buildings and structures in Bandarawela
 * Category:Education buildings in Batticaloa to Category:Education in Batticaloa and Category:Buildings and structures in Batticaloa
 * Category:Education buildings in Chavakachcheri to Category:Education in Chavakachcheri and Category:Buildings and structures in Chavakachcheri
 * Category:Education buildings in Colombo to Category:Education in Colombo and Category:Buildings and structures in Colombo
 * Category:Education buildings in Elpitiya to Category:Education in Elpitiya and Category:Buildings and structures in Elpitiya
 * Category:Education buildings in Galle to Category:Education in Galle and Category:Buildings and structures in Galle


 * Category:Education buildings in Gampaha to Category:Education in Gampaha and Category:Buildings and structures in Gampaha
 * Category:Education buildings in Hambantota to Category:Education in Hambantota and Category:Buildings and structures in Hambantota
 * Category:Education buildings in Horana to Category:Education in Horana and Category:Buildings and structures in Horana
 * Category:Education buildings in Jaffna to Category:Education in Jaffna and Category:Buildings and structures in Jaffna
 * Category:Education buildings in Kalutara to Category:Education in Kalutara and Category:Buildings and structures in Kalutara
 * Category:Education buildings in Kandy to Category:Education in Kandy and Category:Buildings and structures in Kandy
 * Category:Education buildings in Kegalle to Category:Education in Kegalle and Category:Buildings and structures in Kegalle
 * Category:Education buildings in Kilinochchi to Category:Education in Kilinochchi and Category:Buildings and structures in Kilinochchi
 * Category:Education buildings in Kurunegala to Category:Education in Kurunegala and Category:Buildings and structures in Kurunegala
 * Category:Education buildings in Manipay to Category:Education in Manipay and Category:Buildings and structures in Manipay
 * Category:Education buildings in Mannar, Sri Lanka to Category:Education in Mannar, Sri Lanka and Category:Buildings and structures in Mannar, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Education buildings in Matale to Category:Education in Matale and Category:Buildings and structures in Matale
 * Category:Education buildings in Matara, Sri Lanka to Category:Education in Matara, Sri Lanka and Category:Buildings and structures in Matara, Sri Lanka
 * Category:Education buildings in Matugama to Category:Education in Matugama and Category:Buildings and structures in Matugama
 * Category:Education buildings in Mirigama to Category:Education in Mirigama and Category:Buildings and structures in Mirigama
 * Category:Education buildings in Moratuwa to Category:Education in Moratuwa and Category:Buildings and structures in Moratuwa
 * Category:Education buildings in Mount Lavinia to Category:Education in Mount Lavinia and Category:Buildings and structures in Mount Lavinia
 * Category:Education buildings in Mullaitivu to Category:Education in Mullaitivu and Category:Buildings and structures in Mullaitivu
 * Category:Education buildings in Negombo to Category:Education in Negombo and Category:Buildings and structures in Negombo
 * Category:Education buildings in Panadura to Category:Education in Panadura and Category:Buildings and structures in Panadura
 * Category:Education buildings in Point Pedro to Category:Education in Point Pedro and Category:Buildings and structures in Point Pedro
 * Category:Education buildings in Ratnapura to Category:Education in Ratnapura and Category:Buildings and structures in Ratnapura
 * Category:Education buildings in Sri Jayawardenepura Kotte to Category:Education in Sri Jayawardenepura Kotte and Category:Buildings and structures in Sri Jayawardenepura Kotte
 * Category:Education buildings in Tangalle to Category:Education in Tangalle and Category:Buildings and structures in Tangalle
 * Category:Education buildings in Tellippalai to Category:Education in Tellippalai and Category:Buildings and structures in Tellippalai
 * Category:Education buildings in Trincomalee to Category:Education in Trincomalee and Category:Buildings and structures in Trincomalee
 * Category:Education buildings in Udupiddy to Category:Education in Udupiddy and Category:Buildings and structures in Udupiddy
 * Category:Education buildings in Vavuniya to Category:Education in Vavuniya and Category:Buildings and structures in Vavuniya


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, this is an almost empty category layer except it largely duplicates the tree of schools. There is no other country with a tree like this. If this merge goes ahead, I will nominate the education buildings by district as well, it suffers from the same problem. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Support. Seems like a unnecessary layer. Grutness... wha?   01:46, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support I had to click through several to see what you meant but, yeah, this is redundant. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


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Mayors of places in Romania

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Arad, Romania to Category:Mayors of places in Romania and Category:People from Arad, Romania
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Constanța to Category:Mayors of places in Romania and Category:People from Constanța
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Pașcani to Category:Mayors of places in Romania and Category:People from Pașcani
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Satu Mare to Category:Mayors of places in Romania and Category:People from Satu Mare
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Sibiu to Category:Mayors of places in Romania and Category:People from Sibiu
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Târgu Mureș to Category:Mayors of places in Romania and Category:People from Târgu Mureș
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Zalău to Category:Mayors of places in Romania and Category:People from Zalău
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, just one or two articles in each of these categories and they are not part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Support with no prejudice against re-creation if and when these categories get bigger. Grutness... wha?   01:48, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge for Now While these places would have had more than five mayors, most are NN. No objection to recreating any category later if they ever have 5+ potential articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:36, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Sicilian-speaking people by occupation

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:08, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sicilian-speaking people by occupation to Category:Sicilian-speaking people
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary intermediate category Rathfelder (talk) 10:15, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Support, with only two subcategories this is a redundant layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support although I have my doubts that the category itself is justfied. We very rarely categorize people merely by the fact of the language they spoke.
 * The parent category should also be a container category for sure. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:46, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Week keep. I would say that the category is justified, given that the subcategories are for writers and singers in that language. There seems to be a tree of similar categories for many languages, specifically for occupations related directly to the language (e.g., interpreters, translators, writers, and singers). If consensus is to delete, then a serious look needs to be taken at all the other subcategories of . Grutness... wha?   15:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Remove redundant layer -- The whole tree needs pruning. We have singers, poets, 1 cabaret actor, and one other author, who probably does not write his main works in Sicilian.  We can keep singers and poets as subcategories, but everything else should be in the target.  It may be some dual upmerging is needed.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:10, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Wydad AC footballers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wydad AC footballers to Category:Wydad AC players
 * Nominator's rationale: It's clear that the club's article mainly discusses the football team, and as a results it's not necessary to include footballers in the category's name instead of players. Also to match other sports clubs in the continent mainly known for their football team such as Category:Al Ahly SC players and Category:C.D. Primeiro de Agosto players. Ben5218 (talk) 05:38, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:45, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom; parent article is about the football team and we use just 'players' for those categories. GiantSnowman 18:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


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Raja Casablanca categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming

Requesting the name of these categories to be changed to match the parent article Raja CA. All should have their name changed to include Raja CA instead of Raja Casablanca. Ben5218 (talk) 05:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Category:Raja Casablanca to Category:Raja CA
 * Category:Raja Casablanca managers to Category:Raja CA managers
 * Category:Raja Casablanca matches to Category:Raja CA matches
 * Category:Raja Casablanca players to Category:Raja CA players
 * Category:Raja Casablanca seasons to Category:Raja CA seasons
 * Category:Raja Casablanca templates to Category:Raja CA templates
 * Comment, you need to list the other categories related to the club as well, and tag their pages. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. Ben5218 (talk) 15:21, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2D, consensus reached after RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:19, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:45, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom and C2D. GiantSnowman 18:48, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Miss Grand International 2018 contestants

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting miss grand international 2018 contestants


 * Nominator's rationale: The page did not meet WP:GNG. The mother article Miss Grand International was salted and deleted multiple times via consensus. Other related pages to this pageant were also deleted Articles for deletion/Miss Grand International (3rd nomination).

Nominating also for bundled deletion:
 * miss grand international 2017 contestants
 * miss grand international 2016 contestants
 * miss grand international 2015 contestants
 * miss grand international 2014 contestants
 * miss grand international 2013 contestants
 * miss grand international winners
 * miss grand international contestants
 * miss grand international 2019 contestants

---Richie Campbell (talk) 01:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment, you need to tag all listed category pages. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Please tag these. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile they all have been tagged. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:48, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete there is no reason to categorize people by being in a specific competition in a specific year. This is the very definition of a performer by performance category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:17, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:48, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Not defining, per nom. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Lorstaking 03:37, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Touhou Project Main Series

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. I checked the contents, and all of the articles were already in Category:Touhou Project games, so there was no merge that was required. I'll leave implementing the rest of what was discussed to  or . Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:24, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Touhou Project Main Series to Category:Touhou Project main series
 * Nominator's rationale: Incorrect capitalization, as "main series" is not a proper phrase, but a descriptive one. — Goszei (talk) 01:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Touhou Project games since "main series" does not seem to be a defining characteristic. If kept, rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as an unnecessary spinoff; however, move all games that are not in this category to a new subcategory Category:Touhou Project spin-off games, in essence reversing the categorization scheme and making it suitable for Category:Video game spin-offs.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:19, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the same but abandoned the idea as too complex to discuss. Basically this requires first renaming Category:Touhou Project games to Category:Touhou Project spin-off games, then renaming Category:Touhou Project Main Series to Category:Touhou Project games, and finally fix the parenting. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That seems needlessly complex compared to just deleting this category and making a new one, then moving the necessary games over.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * At least it should be merged rather than deleted. From there we might also create a new subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:50, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell the category is a total overlap so there is nothing to merge. If there is something to merge, of course, merge it.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I was unaware of the existing video game spin-off catscheme – I support this solution as well. — Goszei (talk) 04:02, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I also support this solution (regardless of how exactly it is carried out on a technical level) as the standard way of categorizing game series with spin-offs and off-shoots.--AlexandraIDV 08:39, 16 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Charlemagne Prize

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:26, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Charlemagne Prize
 * Propose Upmerging Category:Charlemagne Prize to Category:Humanitarian and service awards
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT
 * This category only contains two articles and I'm not sure they belong together:
 * 1: Charlemagne Prize: A prize for European integration issued by Aachen, Germany starting in 1950.
 * 2: European Charlemagne Youth Prize: A youth prize for European integration issued by the European Parliament starting in 2008, but named after and coordinated with the earlier prize.
 * The two articles already cross-linked and I can't imagine a potential 3rd, 4th or 5th article so the growth potential here is limited. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:07, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Background The subcategory for recipients was previously deleted right here with the following participants: - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:07, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree with nom in principle. Probably the category should be merged to Category:Humanitarian and service awards though. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Good catch! I updated the nom. - RevelationDirect (talk) 09:59, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete -- We do not need the eponymous category. The recipients have already been listified and deleted.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:10, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Genesis Prize laureates
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:26, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Genesis Prize
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Genesis Prize laureates
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD & WP:OVERLAPCAT)
 * The Genesis Prize is an Israeli award given to "Jews who have attained excellence which they attribute to Jewish values". The articles for winners like Mayor Michael Bloomberg, actor Michael Douglas, Kraft Foods CEO Robert Kraft, and musician Itzhak Perlman mention the award in passing with other honours so it doesn't seem generally defining. Most of the award's coverage is around the large purse (US $1 million) which is typically re-donated by the winner. The contents of the category are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic.  - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:07, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, another obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete this is more overcategorization by award.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:05, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Lorstaking 03:36, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


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